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tweakabelle -> A day in the life ......... (5/31/2011 6:52:09 PM)
Below are incidents from an ordinary day in the West bank of Occupied Palestine. Nothing exceptional, nothing out of the ordinary, fortunately no one was shot dead by the IDF - this is what happens there on a routine basis every day of the week every week of the year. This is the 43rd year of Israeli Occupation. Please decide for yourself how much of this legitimate self defence. -- 00 -- East Jerusalem: Israel detains an 8-year-old Palestinian / Joseph Dana 972mag 29 May -- The Israeli is ramping up arrests and attacks against Palestinian children. The targeting of children is nothing new in West Bank villages like Nabi Saleh and Bil’in. This afternoon, Israeli police raided the house of 8-year-old Ali Siyam in the Occupied East Jerusalem neighborhood of Silwan. Police raided this house in order to arrest the children as part of a larger swap of alleged stone throwers in the area. In the process of taking the children, Israeli police officers assaulted Siyam’s aunt and uncle, the only adults present in the house. Siyam’s aunt was shot in the leg with a rubber coated steel bullet as she attempted to protect the child. His uncle was also beaten as police took the boy. Both were transferred to Hadassa Har Hatzofim hospital for treatment. http://972mag.com/israel-ramping-up-arrests-of-palestinian-children/ Protest against new settlement meets with heavy repression, six arrested Silwan, Jerusalem (SILWANIC) 29 May -- Dozens of protesters gathered outside the new Israeli settlement of Ma’ale Zetim in Ras al-‘Amoud district yesterday, Friday 27 May, amidst heavy repression from state forces and settlers. One settler attempted to run over protesters as he drove out of the settlement, as Israeli troops looked on. Settlers then began throwing stones and dropping water on protesters, chanting racist slogans and declaring that "Arabs are terrorists" and "the Israeli left stands in the way of the Jewish dream." [or nightmare, depending on one's point of view] http://silwanic.net/?p=17331 In photos: Friday demonstration in Silwan Silwan, Jerusalem (SILWANIC) 29 May -- The following are more photographs from the Friday 27 May demonstration in Silwan against Israeli settlements. Seven people were arrested, including both Palestinians and Israeli activists. Israeli forces, aided by armed settlers, applied violence against protesters including using tasers. http://silwanic.net/?p=17292 Factory owner's detention extended, charged with stone-throwing [photo] Silwan, Jerusalem (SILWANIC) 29 May -- The detention of Bir Ayyub resident Mohammed Odeh was extended by the Israeli court today. Odeh, 34, was kidnapped from the factory he owns in Bir Ayyub yesterday afternoon by undercover Israeli forces. Odeh faces charges of throwing stones at Israeli troops. http://silwanic.net/?p=17338 Israeli forces attack youth, one arrested [photos] Silwan, Jerusalem (SILWANIC) 29 May -- Israeli forces attacked Palestinian youth near the northern entrance to Ras al-‘Amoud district, arrested a young boy. Witnesses state that Mohammed Sider, 19, was seized by Israeli forces from a local shop. http://silwanic.net/?p=17322 Settlers drown Palestinian land with wastewater in Bethlehem BETHLEHEM (WAFA) 29 May -- ...Head of Nahhalin village’s council, Osama Shakarna, told WAFA that those in charge of the water purification stations in ‘Beitar Illit’ settlement, west of Bethlehem, pumped waste water to the almond and grapes lands, west of Nahhalin. Moreover, Israeli authorities handed over a number of notices to Palestinians living in Ain Fares area, southwest of Nahhalin village, to seize their lands. http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=16268 2 injured by settler in car accident BETHLEHEM (Ma‘an) 29 May -- A father and son were moderately injured Sunday, medics said, after they were hit by an Israeli settler driving to a Jewish-only settlement in the southern West Bank. The father accused the settler of purposefully running him down just outside of Bethlehem. Medical sources in the Al-Yamama Hospital in Bethlehem identified the injured as Ahmad Mustafa Sbeih,48, and his son Nour Ad-Din who is eight years old. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=392059 Soldiers detain Palestinians, abduct international activist near Hebron IMEMC 29 May -- Israeli soldiers detained on Saturday evening several Palestinians, including women and children, and kidnapped an international peace activist near Safa village, north of the southern West Bank city of Hebron. The residents were working in their farmlands before extremist settlers of the Bait Ayin illegal settlement attacked them and uprooted olive trees and vineyard. Israeli soldiers arrived at the scene and, instead of removing the settlers, detained more than twenty Palestinians, including women and children, and an international activist, under the pretext that they entered a closed military zone. The claimed military zone is the agricultural lands owned by the residents. http://www.imemc.org/article/61341 IOF places tight grip on village near Nablus QALQILYA (PIC) 29 May -- The Israeli occupation forces (IOF) have tightened procedures at the gates of the separation wall in the Azzun Atma village near Qalqilya, locals have reported. For the past week, the IOF has been curbing civilian movement there through provocative searches and inspections. Long lines of students, farmers, and laborers have mounted daily outside the gates as searches continue. Azzoun Atma is encircled by the Orinet, Shaarei Tikva, Elkana settlements, which are said to serve as a 'death certificate' to the farming village as they blockade it and take the majority of the land and restrict the possibility of its expansion. Walls have been erected on all four sides of the village for alleged security reasons. Khalid Raddad, a resident, points out that the planning situation has isolated Azzoum Atma from nearby villages Beit Amin and Sineria, which serve as natural extensions to it. The result is that families are separated from each other as well as farmers from their fields. http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcO Winds of hope in the occupied Syrian Golan / Francesc Cabré Sánchez AIC 29 May -- Life has apparently returned to normal in Majdal Shams, the main town in the Israeli occupied Syrian Golan. Shops are open, local farmers working their fields and in the centre of town there is nothing to indicate that four Palestinians were killed on the Nakba commemoration day (15 May) when they crossed the Syrian border to claim the right of return for refugees .ared to fight against violent uprisings, but does not know how to react or fight nonviolence," says Fawzi Abu Jabal Hussein, a member of the local NGO Golan for Development . http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/news/3623-winds-of-hope-in-the-occupied-syrian-golan- The ruined village Palestinians will never forget / Harriet Sherwood Guardian 29 May -- The ruins of Lifta are the final remains of the Palestinian hamlets that fringed Jerusalem until 1948. Now plans to bulldoze them are causing outrage http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/29/ruined-palestinian-village-lifta-development All's well that ends well? Targeting Palestinian water pirates MediaLine -- KUFR DAN, West Bank 29 May -- The Israelis arrived at about one in the afternoon -- a phalanx of 30 soldiers, 10 jeeps and a tractor at this town west of Jenin. Palestinians rapidly appeared on the scene as well and soon the two sides were scuffling, with farmers shouting “Get these tractors away before something happens” and climbing aboard a tractor in an effort to stop it from working ...The Israeli troops hadn’t come to arrest suspected terrorists or to put down a violent protest. They were in Kufr Dan, a local center for cucumber farms, to close what officials said were illegal water wells. In Kufr Dan, they used a tractor to rip out pipes reaching down into water sources or to push the pumps deep into ground. In others, they cut electricity lines to the pumps. http://www.themedialine.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsID=32296 Medics: Palestinian beaten by Israeli soldiers at checkpoint HEBRON (Ma‘an) 29 May -- Israeli soldiers brutally attacked a Palestinian man at an army checkpoint near Hebron on Saturday evening, medics said. Israeli soldiers stopped Mahmoud Al-Battat, 19, at around 7 p.m. at a checkpoint near Ad-Dhahiriya in the southern West Bank as he returned from work in Israel, medical officials told Ma‘an. Soldiers beat him until he fainted, director of operations at the Palestinian Red Crescent Nasser Al-Qabaja said. Al-Battat recovered consciousness at around 11 p.m. and phoned his family. After receiving the call, relatives said they searched for two hours before they found him, and took him to a medical center in Ad-Dhahiriya. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=391883 Israeli forces shoot man near Gaza City, medics say GAZA CITY (Ma‘an) 29 May -- Israeli forces shot and injured a Palestinian man east of Gaza City early Sunday morning, medics said. Medical services spokesman Adham Abu Salmiya said the man was shot in his right leg in the Zaytoun neighborhood. He was taken to the Ash-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=391833 Palestinian captive suffers loss of memory after 10 years in occupation jails RAMALLAH (PIC) 29 May -- Wadi‘ Tamman (30), a Palestinian captive from the southern Gaza Strip city of Khan Younis, who suffers from epilepsy has lost his memory completely and no longer knows those around him, according to a Palestinian human rights organisation. http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcO Wife: Australian nabbed for Hamas ties 'in revenge for Mabhouh' (AFP) 29 May -- Family of man detained in Israel calls charges of involvement with terror group 'preposterous', says Israel seeking revenge for expulsion of diplomat over forgery of Australian passports in Mabhouh assassination -- The Palestinian-born Eyad Abuarga, an information technology expert, was arrested in March as he tried to enter Israel through the Ben Gurion airport http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4075187,00.html --00-- The above is a snapshot of everyday life in Occupied Palestine. It is far from a complete picture of life in Occupied Palestine but AFAIK it's not untypical either. If you think this is an unusal series of events or an unbalanced picture, please subscribe to either of the following sites for a couple of weeks. Then decide for yourself. These US sites provided the sources for the above information. http://mondoweiss.org (US-based) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info (US-based)

willbeurdaddy -> RE: A day in the life ......... (5/31/2011 8:11:51 PM)
Come back when you arent relying on proven anti-Semitic sources.

DarkSteven -> RE: A day in the life ......... (5/31/2011 8:17:56 PM)
Likely true, but one sided, not taking into account the stone throwers and suicide bombers on the Palestinian side.

tweakabelle -> RE: A day in the life ......... (5/31/2011 8:31:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Likely true, but one sided, not taking into account the stone throwers and suicide bombers on the Palestinian side. Yes. The matters you mention DS are well known to people in the West. I am simply trying to present the other side of the story (without comment), which I hope you will agree, is not so well known.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (5/31/2011 9:52:33 PM)
They think their sources are unbiased, even knowing who owns most of the major media outlets. Things couldn't be better. Times they are a changin'. T^T

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 4:43:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Likely true, but one sided, not taking into account the stone throwers and suicide bombers on the Palestinian side. Yes. The matters you mention DS are well known to people in the West. I am simply trying to present the other side of the story (without comment), which I hope you will agree, is not so well known. The Palestinian side not so well known? Its virtually all thats heard these days! [:D] I guess if its "without comment" its completely "unbiased" too and from "highly respected sources" [8\|] but the OP just soundz like more propaganda from "The Tweak", 18 stories which are way too many to discuss an' refute if innacurate as so much Pally propaganda is.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 4:55:04 AM)
Refute ONE. Pick one, any one. Prove one wrong and you can claim the rest are wrong. Deal ? Whiuing that there are too many things to disprove isn't going to cut it. While you're at it, tell me how Israel's attack on the USS Liberty was an accident. Then you can prove that PBS is "biased" as well. But I will admit, at least you're not such a pussy that you pulled the race card like willy did. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 5:09:36 AM)
"Likely true, but one sided," Yes, but I think the mainstream media is one sided, just the other side. I must say that the fact that you don't display alot of pro Israel bias is worthy of my respect. For what it's worth. T^T

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 5:09:55 AM)
Who da fuck is "Whiuing" whatever that is? lol The format of da OP which reads like a long essay which means its near impossible to discuss the actual content properly. Just blindside folks with tons and tons of material that would take hours to read from da links an' days to explore from other perspectives to weigh da truth. You've been bitchin' bout dat USS Liberty incident before. It's far from clear what went on. Israel could've easily sunk da ship but didn't. It shouldn't have been a snoopin' anyhow! "Da Tweak" (TradeMark) was da one goin' on bout "biased" and "unbiased" sources. It was about her selective understanding of "unbiased" meanin' agreeing with her perspective.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 5:16:39 AM)
Bullshit. What do you mean they could've sunk that ship ? They shouldn't have attacked that ship. I thought we were allies. In fact their puny state would not exist but for our help and in effect they bit the hand that feeds them, and we just let it slide like a puppy dog that hasn't been properly trained. Want more ? There is ALOT more where that came from. If you're so knowledgable on the subject, refute ONE of the things brought up in the OP. You want me to pick one for you ? (not recommended). T^T

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 5:30:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Bullshit. What do you mean they could've sunk that ship ? They shouldn't have attacked that ship. I thought we were allies. In fact their puny state would not exist but for our help and in effect they bit the hand that feeds them, and we just let it slide like a puppy dog that hasn't been properly trained. Want more ? There is ALOT more where that came from. If you're so knowledgable on the subject, refute ONE of the things brought up in the OP. You want me to pick one for you ? (not recommended). Fact is they could've easily sunk da ship and offered assistance to the vessel so the view it was just malice don't add up bud. It resulted in the death of 30 servicemen which was tragic but da US was warned by 'rael to stay away from da Israeli coast due to danger from naval conflict with Egypt. Folks made out it was supposed to be a pretend 'rab raid to get da US of A involved on Israel's side but a head honcho in da Israeli govt told da US ambassador bout the incident within an hour I think. Only plausible reason they delib struck da ship was cause the USSR was monitoring US transmissions an' that day the Liberty which monitored radio could have compromised a surprise major attack Israel was a plannin'. Bubba my point is the format of her OP not da individual stories. Its not my job to refute all conspiracy or objections bout Israel, just ring da 'raeli embassy in washington.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 8:15:55 AM)
I ain't fucking Bubba. You love that country so much, move there. You put your ass where your loyalty is. Any excuse is good enough for Israel, "oh, it was an accident". They said it NOT ME. And it was a fucking lie and you know it and I know it. It was no accident. Russia my ass. Supposedly all allies. And Russia did not attack our ship. And why, if the actions of Israel in 1967 were so pure and just, would it need to be such a secret ? All the justification in the wordl is not going to work here. Lemme tellya then, since you call me Bubba yet you are the one with that lingo, I am not fucking stupid and I don't buy the bullshit. The ship was clearly marked. Eyewitness accounts that you can NEVER match from any source. Beat that Cletus. They did wrong, and people like you can't admit that they did wrong EVEN ONCE. Fucking tell me about it while I go take a shit. All the sudden I feel the need. T^T

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 8:29:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I ain't fucking Bubba. You love that country so much, move there. You put your ass where your loyalty is. Any excuse is good enough for Israel, "oh, it was an accident". They said it NOT ME. And it was a fucking lie and you know it and I know it. It was no accident. Russia my ass. Supposedly all allies. And Russia did not attack our ship. And why, if the actions of Israel in 1967 were so pure and just, would it need to be such a secret ? All the justification in the wordl is not going to work here. Lemme tellya then, since you call me Bubba yet you are the one with that lingo, I am not fucking stupid and I don't buy the bullshit. The ship was clearly marked. Eyewitness accounts that you can NEVER match from any source. Beat that Cletus. They did wrong, and people like you can't admit that they did wrong EVEN ONCE. Fucking tell me about it while I go take a shit. All the sudden I feel the need. Calm yourself down Bubba, calm yourself down. Its got nuthin' to do with loyality, just right or wrong. If they did wrong they deserve censure, if they didn't do it deliberately then the don't. The US were allies so there is no obvious reason to harm da Liberty. This is why I said the issue is not straightforward so I reserve judgement. Yours, Cletus Spuckler...

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 8:35:36 AM)
OK. What do others get when they attack our ships ? T^T

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 8:58:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or OK. What do others get when they attack our ships ? I would guess it depends on who those "others" are, a bollocking if they're enemies, a possible bollocking if they are allies...

tweakabelle -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 6:13:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh "Da Tweak" (TradeMark) was da one goin' on bout "biased" and "unbiased" sources. It was about her selective understanding of "unbiased" meanin' agreeing with her perspective. Actually it is Zionists who have a near monopoloy on that claim. They deride anyone or anything that is the slightest bit negative about Israel as "biased". At various times, even organisations like the Red Cross, Amnesty and the Anglican Church have been called "biased" by Zionists. The list of media sources used in the OP includes Israeli media, international media and Israeli human rights groups. Are you seriously suggesting that the Israeli media (www.ynet.com) is "biased" against Israel? That is self-evidently ridiculous. I do note that critics here do not appear to have even read the reports themselves. They have no idea whether they are true or false yet refuse point blank to believe them or even read them. That is consistent with blanket denial - and denial is their response to anything that doesn't paint Israel in a saintly light. It is telling that they are unable to discuss or defend even a single one of the incidents listed above. It is also telling that bar DarkSteven, a long list of human rights violations and acts of violence by the IDF on a single day elicits not a single word of criticism, or regret, only denial. That makes me wonder if they actually approve of Palestinians being treated in this shocking fashion.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 6:48:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh "Da Tweak" (TradeMark) was da one goin' on bout "biased" and "unbiased" sources. It was about her selective understanding of "unbiased" meanin' agreeing with her perspective. Actually it is Zionists who have a near monopoloy on that claim. They deride anyone or anything that is the slightest bit negative about Israel as "biased". At various times, even organisations like the Red Cross, Amnesty and the Anglican Church have been called "biased" by Zionists. Sorry there Tweak you're the one who kept bringing up the issue of bias on da threads, and have kept promoting/recommending certain sites you claim are "unbiased". [8\|] quote: The list of media sources used in the OP includes Israeli media, international media and Israeli human rights groups. Are you seriously suggesting that the Israeli media (www.ynet.com) is "biased" against Israel? That is self-evidently ridiculous. I didn't say ynet is biased. You are the one claiming you use "unbiased" "reputable" sites but the only feature tying these sites (other than Ynet) is their agreement with your views. quote: I do note that critics here do not appear to have even read the reports themselves. They have no idea whether they are true or false yet refuse point blank to believe them or even read them. That is consistent with blanket denial - and denial is their response to anything that doesn't paint Israel in a saintly light. It is telling that they are unable to discuss or defend even a single one of the incidents listed above. Da Tweak presented 18 stories to push an agenda. I think the OP makes it very hard to discuss da content properly cause it blindsides folks with too much material. It would take hours to read the articles, and ages to explore from other perspectives to weigh the truth. That makes it propaganda at least to my mind, not an OP inviting meaningful discussion. quote: It is also telling that bar DarkSteven, a long list of human rights violations and acts of violence by the IDF on a single day elicits not a single word of criticism, or regret, only denial. That makes me wonder if they actually approve of Palestinians being treated in this shocking fashion. Don't think anyone likes the situation in Israel. Know I don't anyway. Only difference is that we don't blame da Israeli's 100% and frankly we don't share Tweak's weird obsession. For Tweak it's a black n' white worldview where Israel has nothing to fear from Pals at all! They are just thieves. Even heard her blaming Israel for holding the Arab world back! [8\|]

tweakabelle -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 7:56:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh "Da Tweak" (TradeMark) was da one goin' on bout "biased" and "unbiased" sources. It was about her selective understanding of "unbiased" meanin' agreeing with her perspective. Actually it is Zionists who have a near monopoloy on that claim. They deride anyone or anything that is the slightest bit negative about Israel as "biased". At various times, even organisations like the Red Cross, Amnesty and the Anglican Church have been called "biased" by Zionists. Sorry there Tweak you're the one who kept bringing up the issue of bias on da threads, and have kept promoting/recommending certain sites you claim are "unbiased". [8\|] None of the words "biased", "unbiased" or "reputable" appear in the OP. They were introduced into this thread by you and your fellow-Zionists. The OP states quite specifically: "The above is a snapshot of everyday life in Occupied Palestine. It is far from a complete picture of life in Occupied Palestine* but AFAIK it's not untypical either." The OP doesn't pretend to be anything other than a report of certain incidents on a single day inside Occupied Palestine. You are denying the validity of those events. To date, you have failed to produce an iota of evidence, an argument of any substance or a single link to back up your increasingly absurd position. Produce some evidence if you wish to make a meaningful contribution. Give us a reason to consider your posts something other than those of a one-eyed Zionist who would sooner die than admit the slightest failing on Israel's behalf. quote:* The list of media sources used in the OP includes Israeli media, international media and Israeli human rights groups. Are you seriously suggesting that the Israeli media (www.ynet.com) is "biased" against Israel? That is self-evidently ridiculous. quote: I didn't say ynet is biased. You are the one claiming you use "unbiased" "reputable" sites but the only feature tying these sites (other than Ynet) is their agreement with your views. The pathetic excuse for an argument you are presenting is that the OP is "propaganda" ("That makes it propaganda at least to my mind" WOTF). Obviously that implies ynet, The Guardian and other sources are vehicles of "propaganda'. To suggest the Israeli media or Israeli human rights groups (such as 972) are anti-Israeli propaganda vehicles is self evidently ridiculous. One reason for "their agreement with [my] views" is that I might be presenting a valid honest perspective. Bar your childish response alleging bias, you have presented nothing, nada, zilch to suggest this explanation doesn't apply. quote: quote: I do note that critics here do not appear to have even read the reports themselves. They have no idea whether they are true or false yet refuse point blank to believe them or even read them. That is consistent with blanket denial - and denial is their response to anything that doesn't paint Israel in a saintly light. It is telling that they are unable to discuss or defend even a single one of the incidents listed above. Da Tweak presented 18 stories to push an agenda. I think the OP makes it very hard to discuss da content properly cause it blindsides folks with too much material. It would take hours to read the articles, and ages to explore from other perspectives to weigh the truth. That makes it propaganda at least to my mind, not an OP inviting meaningful discussion. According to your explanation, "too much material ..... makes it propaganda at least to my mind". So, in your view, propaganda is defined by the amount of material not the content. If I had only presented a few reports, then it wouldn't have been "propaganda" according to your argument. You are saying content is irrelevant, only quantity counts. This shows how transparently ridiculous your argument is. You have already been invited to take a single story and contest it. You have declined thus far. I repeat the invitation. Or else take your inane myopic comments to the nearest kindergarten, where there is a chance credulous infants might believe them. No one else could possibly take such nonsense seriously.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 8:03:48 PM)
No sweetie, nobody takes anything you have to say on the subject seriously or believes you arent a flaming bigot since your vile exchanges with Anaxagoras (except other flaming bigots of course). I do give you credit for learning from that experience and not repeating them, but while you can prod the mods into erasing your crap, they cant erase it from our memories.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/1/2011 8:30:22 PM)
Tweaky this is turning into another of your long drawn out exercises, where I'm just repeatin' myself over an' over while you get angrier and more personal in your comments. [8\|] quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh Sorry there Tweak you're the one who kept bringing up the issue of bias on da threads, and have kept promoting/recommending certain sites you claim are "unbiased". [8\|] None of the words "biased", "unbiased" or "reputable" appear in the OP. They were introduced into this thread by you and your fellow-Zionists. The OP states quite specifically: "The above is a snapshot of everyday life in Occupied Palestine. It is far from a complete picture of life in Occupied Palestine* but AFAIK it's not untypical either." The OP doesn't pretend to be anything other than a report of certain incidents on a single day inside Occupied Palestine. Tweak, I said those were da words you used on the recent Israel threads, not on this one. If you want to write an article thats kool but this is a forum, a place for discussion. [8\|] quote:* You are denying the validity of those events. To date, you have failed to produce an iota of evidence, an argument of any substance or a single link to back up your increasingly absurd position. Produce some evidence if you wish to make a meaningful contribution. Give us a reason to consider your posts something other than those of a one-eyed Zionist who would sooner die than admit the slightest failing on Israel's behalf. Wrong Tweak. People are free to criticise 'rael, never said differently. My point was made repeatedly. Here it is again, you posted way too many articles. They couldn't realistically be discussed at an individual level. It means dat loadz of contentious claims are made from partisan sources like Wafa (da Pali News Agency) but can't be given much due diligence. quote: One reason for "their agreement with [my] views" is that I might be presenting a valid honest perspective. Bar your childish response alleging bias, you have presented nothing, nada, zilch to suggest this explanation doesn't apply. Dat's right Tweak, you are sooo right, we are wrong. You are unbiased, we are sooo biased. [:D] I already said you are entitled to your views but you try to shut down debate by gettin' angry, here usin' the words pathetic, childish etc. You write very long essays. You even gave PT an ultimatium to have a "long unpleasant debate" if he didn't agree with you! quote: quote: Da Tweak presented 18 stories to push an agenda. I think the OP makes it very hard to discuss da content properly cause it blindsides folks with too much material. It would take hours to read the articles, and ages to explore from other perspectives to weigh the truth. That makes it propaganda at least to my mind, not an OP inviting meaningful discussion. According to your explanation, "too much material ..... makes it propaganda at least to my mind". So propaganda is defined by the amount of material, in your view, not the content. If I had only presented a few reports, then it wouldn't have been "propaganda" according to your argument. You are saying content is irrelevant, only quantity counts. This shows how transparently ridiculous your argument is. You have already been invited to take a single story and contest it. You have declined thus far. I repeat the invitation. Or else take your inane myopic comments to the nearest kindergarten, where there is a chance credulous infants might believe them. No one else could possibly take such nonsense seriously. Yawn, I didn't say propaganda is merely defined by the amount of material. Another old debatin' trick is to put opponents inta a corner. You could have chosen one or two issues to discuss which is da norm. Instead its an essay with 18 contentious issues lol. It says a lot bout your attitude. You allow no discussion or disagreement, portrayin' others as liars. [8\|]

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