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tweakabelle -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 1:16:01 AM)
quote: I remember how Tweak dismissed challenges bout how debased Pali terrorism is. If she wants to talk about child abuse, an' is oh so balanced and never ever hated da Israeli's (LOL), then she ought to look at least make some small effort to look at how Pals treat their progeny too, eg 14 year old palestinian suicide bomber http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR2UvlIEFRw and a Palestinian mother proud her son “martryed” himself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTNADjMc0x0 – the whole culture openly celebrates suicide bombings, celebrating in streets with sweets/flowers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBp8zot6mE as also happened when a settler family was butchered around two months ago. Any one who organises child suicide bombers anywhere for whatever cause - I don't care - is disgustingly evil. I don't have words strong enough to express my revulsion. I have zero tolerance for child abuse in all its wretched forms. I don't approve of the death penalty but I would find it very difficult to oppose it for any one who organised a horror like child suicide bombers. I have seen reports of this in Afghanistan recently too.

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 6:05:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha Now I have only read like the last 5-6 replies, but unless I lost my cognitive reading abilities, no member was personally called a child abuser or accused of personally abusing children., If they have SPECIFICALLY called a user a child abuser, please report that post. Otherwise, please do not alledge that we are allowing members to be called child abusers to continue. No one was personally called a child abuser, instead Tweakabelle personally accused me of being a supporter of such due to a report she posted up, that I had not responded to. It had nothing to do with the point I had made which related to posting up 18 stories in an OP, most of which were from partisan sources. This made a reasoned thorough discussion of each story impossible. Rather than accept too many stories were posted up she focused on one and kept accusing me of supporting child abuse. There was never any suggestion on here that CM allowed users to call each other child abusers. An accusation is not simply a claim X did that. It's also an insinuation http://www.thefreedictionary.com/accusation or "imputation" as its put. Tweakabelle brought it up without reference to my repeated point and repeatedly stated it. On Post 54 Tweakabelle said: quote: "Such a perverse world you must inhabit when the career path of an over paid self indulgent hack is prioritised and important allegations of systematic child abuse and intimidation at gunpoint by the IDF are ignored.... It's about avoiding evading diverting deflecting hijacking - anything to avoid addressing the issue of IDF's systematic child abuse that has been put to you.... Many will be wondering about the fascism of a cause that demands such blind unquestioning loyalty, which insists its followers turn a blind eye to the truth. Especially as it concerns systematic institutionalised child abuse and intimidation, which is about as despicable as it gets." On post 47 Tweakabelle said: quote: Does your silence indicate that you think it's OK for the IDF to behave in this manner? I can't believe that you approve of thugs terrorising children at gunpoint. She backtracked somewhat in post 61 but repeated the accusation many times and even blamed me for it: quote: I specifically stated that "Zionists prefer silence and the possibility of being identified as a supporter of child abuse than accept that their side might be wrong in this instance"... By declining these invitations you have left yourself open to the "possibility of being identified as a supporter of systematic child abuse by the IDF. She brought it up clearly to damage my ability to argue against her: quote: Please find the moral fibre to either dissociate yourself from or condemn such practices or the suspicion that you might be a supporter of such abuses, for reasons of political expediency will linger forever. I won't be accusing you of it. But you can bet your life others will thinking it. When I briefly covered that point with the necessity of searching some children as they can and have been involved in terrorist acts as a point of fact, she actually said I defended child abuse in Post 70 and that I'm actually associated with the IDF's abuse of children twice: quote: What is cheap and vile is your refusal to dissociate yourself from the IDF's child abuse.... Do you condemn the child abuse? NO. You actually try to mount an oblique defence for it. You defend the IDF searching children. ... Again I urge you to dissociate yourself from or condemn the IDF's systematic brutal abuse of children. After Alpha intervened she suddenly accepted that I had said abuse of children is wrong in post 80 even if sarcastically: quote: I suppose “no one should abuse children” is as good as we can expect from you. So thank you for at last condemning child abuse. even though she had already rejected my answer as in another post and continued to accuse me. I made it clear I wouldn't talk to her again due to her tactics she still kept posting essays. She made it clear on numerous threads that Israel has no real reason to be concerned about terrorism but then gets all shocked when presented with two clips of Palestinian children used in terrorism even thou this is a famous phenomenon. Her jockeying here is total bullshit. This is a place for discussion. Sure folks get hot headed but its wrong to use it to push propagandistic difficult to discuss OPs & to attack and really try to debase others with trumped up accusations, particularly with awful things like child abuse.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 7:28:41 AM)
FR How did we get here ? Is this about child abuse or what ? Strapping bombs to kids ? Shit that ain't nuthin; new. Korea, Nam, hey, when people get desparate they will do many things. And when they see no future for their children, why not ? Living under an unfriendly regime as slaves or even worse - serfs, fucking give that a bit of thought. If they get it in their head that life will be worse thasn death for those kids, what do you think they'll do ? That's a bit different than running over an American activist with heavy equipment as she tried to shield an INHABITED dwelling from being bulldozed. Her name was Racheal Corrie. It's also different than sending out planes to accidentally attack your "friend's" ship. Last I heard there were a couple hundred Israelis in jail for refusing to serve in the IDF. For some reason that didn't make the evening news. So what was the intent of this thread really ? Was it to raise the awareness of the plight of the Palestinians which is so obviously underreported, or is it about the reasons that certain things are underreported or unreported ? It's a foregone conclusion that US citizens relying on US media for their news are among the least informed in the world, with very few exceptions. Anyone who has been on the internet for more than a month knows that. Why is that ? Don't bother to answer, I already know, CONTROL. In editing the input, they shape and mold your opinion to their liking. Remember the name of that guy in Atlanta or something they accused of trying to bomb a stadium ? Hopefully everyone forgot because it wrecked his life. They had you all whipped up into a frenzy. Here, forget about the kiddie bombers for now. Take one issue, just one. The wall. How many people know about how that works ? How many people have seen an actual map of that wall ? Those gates open and close at certain times EVERY DAY. Wanna talk about daily life there ? Deal with half your farm or whatever being on the other side of that wall. Look at how the wall twists and turns in it's design. Talk about being on the wrong side of the tracks. The fact is, it sucks to be a Palestinian there. And there will be no change soon. that's the way it is, and it's really not that big a deal. Hell in that period in our own history we were cutting people's scalps right off their head. People think I'm anti Jew but that's not ttrue. I'm not fond of matzo balls but the corned beef is good and those nuclear bombs sure do come in handy. And they got that country now, that's that. The big problem is that they didn't sufficiently desimate the (then) indigeonous(sp) population when the time was right. Instead of wiping them out pretty much, they inflict generations of suffering. People need to put on a face of humanity for some reason, and usually that is counterproductive to the goals of humaneness. I think war should be fought the right way. Everything dead. Sweep up and move in. It really is that simple and results in alot less suffering overall. We live by death. I admit it. I know our government does all kinds of nasty things. You want me to stop them tell me how. In fact help do it, once we figure out how. Count me in. But until someone gets an idea of what to do to ease this disgrace, I, and many others have no choice but to lay in wait. Voting is a proven failure. A revolt is damnear impossible. What else is there ? Russia may have invented the iron curtain, but others seem to have made quite good use out of it. News a little sketchy about Palestinians ? How about China ? People here may kill themselves because they have no job. Over in China people kill themselves because they DO have a job - at Foxconn. How bad can it be ? Must be pretty bad if people are whacking themselves over it. How much news coverage did that get ? And speaking of Foxconn, my other PCs mobo fried out and it was made by Foxconn, I want the responsible serf flogged to death ! Damn thing is barely over two years old. But in the end I'll leave you with this : OK, it's pretty much agreed that people who strap bombs to kids are animals or worse, use your own adjectivity if you like. But now think, WHAT MADE THEM THAT WAY ? You think the Koran says "Every once in a while, thou shalt take a random offspring and.........." ? I haven't read the Koran but I seriously doubt it says anything of the sort. And really, they didn't get this way because they ran out of mayonaisse. T^T

WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 8:20:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or How did we get here ? Is this about child abuse or what ? Strapping bombs to kids ? Shit that ain't nuthin; new. Korea, Nam, hey, when people get desparate they will do many things. And when they see no future for their children, why not ? Living under an unfriendly regime as slaves or even worse - serfs, fucking give that a bit of thought. If they get it in their head that life will be worse thasn death for those kids, what do you think they'll do ? (...) So what was the intent of this thread really ? Was it to raise the awareness of the plight of the Palestinians which is so obviously underreported, or is it about the reasons that certain things are underreported or unreported ? It's a foregone conclusion that US citizens relying on US media for their news are among the least informed in the world, with very few exceptions. Anyone who has been on the internet for more than a month knows that. Why is that ? Don't bother to answer, I already know, CONTROL. Here, forget about the kiddie bombers for now. Take one issue, just one. The wall. How many people know about how that works ? How many people have seen an actual map of that wall ? Those gates open and close at certain times EVERY DAY. Wanna talk about daily life there ? Deal with half your farm or whatever being on the other side of that wall. Look at how the wall twists and turns in it's design. Talk about being on the wrong side of the tracks. People think I'm anti Jew but that's not ttrue. I'm not fond of matzo balls but the corned beef is good and those nuclear bombs sure do come in handy. And they got that country now, that's that. But in the end I'll leave you with this : OK, it's pretty much agreed that people who strap bombs to kids are animals or worse, use your own adjectivity if you like. But now think, WHAT MADE THEM THAT WAY ? You think the Koran says "Every once in a while, thou shalt take a random offspring and.........." ? I haven't read the Koran but I seriously doubt it says anything of the sort. And really, they didn't get this way because they ran out of mayonaisse. See here Bub this is da reason there is no point debating with you. You just repeat everything as before even thou I answered it fully. All in da US knows da Palestinian situation well. I already listed big media institutions like da Grey Lady, CBS and NPR which are noted for having strong content supportive of da Palestinians. There is no fucking slavery of Pals in Israel, loads go there from da PA on work visas. I already showed other Western countries were hardly at da forefront of preventing illegal importation of labor either. Now you legitimise suicide bombing with children!!! There were some reports of that happening but the Vietnamese did not commonly use children in this way as an instrument to fight their war. Pally conditions? Except for Gaza, they're da biggest recipients of aid by a mile. Their population after da '67 war in da so called "OPT" has almost quadrupled. A huge increase only possible with big improvements in living conditions under bad ebel 'rael. Da security barrier (sorry "Apartheid Wall") saved huge numbers of lives by stopping terrorist/suicide attacks in Israel and effectively put a stop to da Second Intifada. I dunno if they accept using children in suicidal missions in da Koran but they are a very common occurance in Islamic regions where there is conflict. Look at da frequency of their use in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Real pity quite a few Muslims don't care for their own. It must've been before my time but I wonder if you really believe da Zyion protocols? [:D]

luckydawg -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 10:26:49 AM)
The reality is that Tweak is an active participant in the use of Children as weopons. Lets break down how it works... Children are programmed to be used as bombers or to attack Armed Soldier. They are deployed and often get hurt or killed. Then the Tweaks of the world use the hurt (or killed) children as evidence of how Evil Israel and Zionists are. Spends hours propagandising it on the web for example.... Tweak is an active part of the stratagey, and absolutly a supporter of the use of kids as weopons. Women and civilians too. And will issue strident denials of course, but do it anyway. Sort of like the way the PLO negotiated.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 10:51:04 AM)
"They are deployed and often get hurt or killed. " That's their property to deploy. I have no denial about this and quite frankly I don't really care. I'm just sick of our politicians sucking Israel's ass all the time. They can do whatever they want, just do it with their own fucking money. Wars have been won and lost throughout history, no sense crying over this one anymore than the conquest of this country. It is how it is, so what. When people really get sick of this shit, don't come crying to me. T^T

luckydawg -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 11:07:12 AM)
Why would anyone ever come crying to you?

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 1:47:38 PM)
Some are actually stupider than they seem. T^T

Moonhead -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 1:56:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg The reality is that Tweak is an active participant in the use of Children as weopons. Lets break down how it works... Children are programmed to be used as bombers or to attack Armed Soldier. They are deployed and often get hurt or killed. Then the Tweaks of the world use the hurt (or killed) children as evidence of how Evil Israel and Zionists are. Spends hours propagandising it on the web for example.... Tweak is an active part of the stratagey, and absolutly a supporter of the use of kids as weopons. Women and civilians too. And will issue strident denials of course, but do it anyway. Sort of like the way the PLO negotiated. Tweak has said she's pro Hamas when? You're going to look a little silly if you can't find an example of her doing so. (And just so we're clear on this, as this seems to be a concept you have difficulty getting your head around: "anti Israel" does not equal "pro Hamas" anymore than "Jew" equals "Zionist"...)

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 2:48:29 PM)
It does when people think it does I guess. Democrats are amti republican, conversatives are anti liberal, religous are anti atheist, the list can go on. T^T

Moonhead -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 2:55:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or It does when people think it does I guess. Sorry, but I'm afraid it doesn't: that just means that the people who believe that it does are wrong, which isn't quite the same thing, dig?

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 3:33:31 PM)
I dig. But for some reason people love to pick sides. Most don't concieve the thought of someone who is neither enemy or friend. You're either for "us" or against "us" and with all the side picking going on, there is no "us". I callem as I seeum. That's how people are. T^T

tweakabelle -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/5/2011 3:39:13 PM)
Media reports of 12- 20 people shot dead and 'hundreds'* wounded by the IDF in the Golan Heights today. An Israeli parliamentarian described the IDF's behaviour as a "war crime", according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz. "Balad chairman, Israeli Arab MK Jamal Zahalka, called the IDF's killing of protesters a "war crime," and accused the Israeli soldiers of "shooting in order to kill, with the intention of deterring similar demonstrations in the future. "We must remember that the international border is at the Kinneret and not on the hill and Israel is the one trespassing that border, not the protesters," said Zahalka. "The protesters are obeying international law by wanting to return [to Israel] and maintain the right of return, and Israel is breaking the international law by shooting at them, preventing them from advancing." [....] Uri Avneri, former MK and activist with Gush Shalom left-wing organization, said Sunday that the IDF used excessive force against the protesters in the Golan Heights. "The trigger-happy behavior stands out in particular when compared to the softness with which violent settlers are treated," he said. Avneri conceded that a country has a right to defend its borders and prevent illegal entrance to its territory, yet added that "in order to effectively protect its borders, the state should first know where its borders are and have them recognized by the international community – and this is a decision which Israel has been avoiding for years." http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-left-wing-leader-idf-used-excessive-force-in-naksa-day-protests-1.366094 We've all seen and been horrified by the way the Syrian Govt deals with unarmed protesters in recent weeks. Has the disease has spread across the border ? Is the Israeli Govt is following Assad's suit? * The number of 'dead and wounded was broadcast on ABC Radio here this morning 8 am news. ABC quoted 12-20 dead and up to 300 wounded. In an interview, Mark Regev (Israeli Govt spin doctor) claimed the numbers were unreliable but admitted he had no numbers of his own.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/6/2011 6:19:25 PM)
"Avneri conceded that a country has a right to defend its borders and prevent illegal entrance to its territory, " No, only one country. Championing open immigration all over the world, except for one country. Fukum, I wouldn't be caught dead there anyway. T^T

tweakabelle -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/6/2011 7:51:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Avneri conceded that a country has a right to defend its borders and prevent illegal entrance to its territory, " No, only one country. Championing open immigration all over the world, except for one country. Fukum, I wouldn't be caught dead there anyway. T^T Caught dead is the operative term isn't it? Let's reverse roles for a second. Imagine if 12-20 Israeli settlers/colonists had been shot dead and hundreds wounded for trying to assert their right to settle in the West Bank. What would the reaction be? It doesn't take any imagination to guess what the Israeli response would be does it? Or the responses of our resident "Israel can do no wrong' outfit. Add to that the fact that the settlers have NO legal right to the land they're trying to steal. While the unarmed Palestinians who died could have valid legal claims to the land that Israel is thieving from them. And the 'border' the IDF was 'defending' isn't a border at all. The border represents the outer limit of the land Israel is trying to steal . Israel's actual sovereign borders are miles away - the 1967 borders are the Israel's only legally/internationally recognised borders. But those legal 'details' wouldn't silence the Zionists for a second would it? There's some excellent footage of the incident at the Golan Heights here.

Termyn8or -> RE: A day in the life ......... (6/6/2011 9:51:30 PM)
Imagine ? How about imagining that at least 70% of the people in the largest market in the world never hear about it. I've seen actual footage and shit, nobody can imagine that. I mentioned Racheal Corrie and there was no eyebrow raised. They can't imagine without help. When I see something I think of the whole situation and if someone sees something about me, it is very little. They don't get anywhere the whole picture. So conversely, what am I not seeing ? But that is just about as substantial as "Imagine". People will never imagine, or see. That won't happen until it comes to them. Russia didn't build up without public support, but in the end their government spent it. Our government is spending ours. Things are not right because they are not supposed to be right. And with that I close, for pondering time. T^T

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