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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/6/2011 6:48:31 PM

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No, how would it be the same?

It would be like all the other deaths in the past few years from over there, small paragraph on the back page.

It would have said "chopper went down, 4 dead, no comment on the cause".

And been no big deal.

Considering all of the rhetoric that came out of the anti obama camp about invading the sovrign air space of pakistan how all the intel came from bush&co. You want us to believe the republicrats would not use a failed mission like that the same way they did against carter.
Perhaps you could tell us what sort or rift in the time space continuim would allow that to happen?

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/6/2011 7:38:09 PM

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What are the u.s. vital national interests in iran,afghanistanand lybia?

Well, for Iran, that would be maintaining the nuclear balance of power, for Afghanistan, not jack shit, and, where the fuck is "Lybia," Thom?

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/6/2011 8:26:01 PM

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The difference between the parties is not so much their conduct of war but their preparation. When we are not at war Dems want to cut the military to the bone and the repubs want to maintain defense spending. So when we go to war after peacetime with repubs in charge we are ready if dems have been in charge we aren't. WWI Dems we were using leftover French Equipment, WWII totally unprepared.Korea ditto. The only time war has followed extensive repub control we were ready for first Gulf War.

Tell us if you don't mind, what the dollar cost in addition to what is already spent on "preparedness", to be ready as an invading force. I am just curious what you think that would cost and perhaps a brief explanation as to how we'd afford it. Since you know all about this topic, perhaps you could also share what members of congress would be likely to support this type of military budget. And didn't this level of 'readiness' play a significant role in the bankrupting of the former Soviet Union?

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/6/2011 9:04:53 PM

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Yeah....Carter's rescue mission was a spectacular failure. He was doomed for a number of reasons but THAT sent a shudder of disgust through the country that you just don't see very often.

Yep, and since Carter wasn't flying any of the helicopters or at the pentagon pushing game pieces around a map. He was in the situation room and either taking or not taking the advice of the best guys available to him. Then he had to take great political risk, and also have it on his soul that 8 American soldiers died in the effort.

No sensible man would say that with those stakes in your lap that there isn't a big risk you're taking as a president. Even if it was a president I had a total disregard for politically, when he has to make those calls, on the close-in shit. I don't envy them at all.
And I don't think that ANY of em take that lightly.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/6/2011 9:06:50 PM

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Well, Jimmy Carter is no longer the worst president in U.S. history. He can hammer those nails and think.. yup, ole Dear Leader sucks worse!

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/6/2011 9:25:00 PM

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Well, Jimmy Carter is no longer the worst president in U.S. history. He can hammer those nails and think.. yup, ole Dear Leader sucks worse!

Based on Obama's successful strikes on OBL and Kashmiri, doing more against AQ in a couple of weeks than Bush did in his entire term in office? Dude, you need to drop your venom in a thread where it makes sense.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/6/2011 10:19:47 PM

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We finally got bin Laden that's good but Arab spring is Obama helping people who want to kill us take over all parts of Mideast. That includes replacing people just as bad, those who hate but fear us like Qadaffi and those who helped us like Mubaric all replaced by islamic radicals united to destroy us that can't be good.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 2:07:28 AM

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We finally got bin Laden that's good but Arab spring is Obama helping people who want to kill us take over all parts of Mideast. That includes replacing people just as bad, those who hate but fear us like Qadaffi and those who helped us like Mubaric all replaced by islamic radicals united to destroy us that can't be good.

You're projecting what's going to happen. Right now, I have to say that the to-be-formed governments appear more anti-Israel than I would have hope. I'm not sure just how anti-US they will be - the young adults with Internet access surely hold us as an ideal. And I suspect that they'll be as susceptible to US aid as the previous regimes.

I'm still optimistic, although less so than I was a couple of months ago.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 3:32:23 AM

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We finally got bin Laden that's good but Arab spring is Obama helping people who want to kill us take over all parts of Mideast. That includes replacing people just as bad, those who hate but fear us like Qadaffi and those who helped us like Mubaric all replaced by islamic radicals united to destroy us that can't be good.

So by your "logic" ( A misnoma if ever there was one ) then getting rid of Qadaffi, who financed terror attacks on America and the west, was the wrong thing to do. I am guessing you would have been cheering from the rooftops if GWB had done the same.

America claims to be the beacon to democracy, yet it is evident that many Republicans would prefer them to support dictatorships, as per the Kirkpatrick doctrine.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 8:46:57 AM

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Well, Jimmy Carter is no longer the worst president in U.S. history. He can hammer those nails and think.. yup, ole Dear Leader sucks worse!

Based on Obama's successful strikes on OBL and Kashmiri, doing more against AQ in a couple of weeks than Bush did in his entire term in office? Dude, you need to drop your venom in a thread where it makes sense.

Right, becuase catching and interogating KSM and a host of other Top al Queda Leaders. As well as killing dozens of thier leadership (leaving the third string folks Obama is bombing). Uprooting cells all over the world. And removing the safe havens where the democrats allowed them to train and deploy from in saftey for over 5 years, All over the howls of protest from the Democrats that they had to be treated as common criminals and it was not a millitary issue was nothing.....

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 8:55:25 AM

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Dawg, you're confusing the issue. I started this thread based on Obama's anti- AQ tactics causing odd effects. ABM made some bizarre post about Obama being the worst President ever, a total non sequitur. I asked him what the hey, and your post tries to grab some of the glory for Bush.

ABM doesn't need help knocking the thread off topic.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 9:16:46 AM

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I seriously disagree with your statement that Obama has done more against al queda in a "couple of weeks" than Bush did his whole term.

The idea that there will be serious blowback from Obamas bombing and invading countries, in a blatantly disrespectfull way, I think has merit.

They used to be called Black Ops and were done with quiet and denials.

But a decision was made that public credit for Obama would be worth any blowback.

THe idea that the Arab Spring might lead to a very bad Hot summer, is not beyond reason.

Your Op was a loaded question.

I guess you are unable to process that someone might disagree with your premise.

Might need to get used to though, seeing as Obamas OBL bounce has evaporated.

No one really believes he was Personally involved in the Planning or it was some gutsy risk for a huge victory.

But we did lose our super secret stealth Helicopter...

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 9:32:36 AM

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I am an independent, so my response was not asked for...

I am mostly a pacifist. I do not think we should be engaging our forces anywhere at this point. We cannot afford it. I do not think we should have engaged our troops in Libya, either.

Me too. This just goes to demonstrate what I've been saying all along, that we don't need whole Army and Marine Divisions on the ground to take out al qeada. They just serve as targets.
What you need to do in this situation is to have a lot of spies, assasins, drones and "others."
If you know that they're in a certain area you poison their water supplies.
It's about killing al qeada not "nation building."
And we all need to contact our congressmen and senators and let them know in no uncertain terms that the U.S. is not the world police force and that we are no longer willing to pay for that type of activity!

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 4:33:17 PM

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No one really believes he was Personally involved in the Planning or it was some gutsy risk for a huge victory.

Gee Lucky, Im not sure if I should belive you, or a man who has worked under eight Presidents. Let me get back to you okay.

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I've worked for a lot of these guys and this is one of the most courageous calls -- decisions -- that I think I've ever seen a president make," Gates told CBS television's "60 minutes" news program.
Given "the uncertainty of the intelligence, the consequences of it going bad, the risk to lives of the Americans involved -- it was a very gutsy call," he said.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/7/2011 11:46:02 PM

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But we did lose our super secret stealth Helicopter...

Collateral damage, Lucky. It's better than Carter just saying we had a plane that didn't show up on Radar, or Reagan spilling the beans about how good our listening capabilities were. Besides, even if somebody got a bit of the material doesn't mean they can manufacture it, or compose an avionics control system that will keep the thing in the air. Knowing that the sound of the helicopter is deceptive to the ear, just makes some people more paranoid when they hear a regular one in the distance.

Taking bin Laden out was worth it. I say, give the credit where it is due, from the warriors who still did the deed when the plan went to hell, to the CIC who gave a ballsy order. Hell, for a guy who got handed the Nobel Peace Prize just for showing up, he seems to be quite comfortable giving orders to go kill somebody.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/8/2011 12:06:05 AM

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yeah,fuck`n Carter`s fault they have sand storms in the desert.....

Where does he get off?!

Funny,we lose thousands of GIs,get tens of thousands of`m shot up and blown up real bad,and lose hundreds of billions of our dollars,thousands of billions,in Iraq for nothing and then we get an ass complain about one chopper lost in the fucking raid that killed bin-laden.......

Oh my fucking god.Where does this stuff come from?

Wow,that really requires a lot of nerve and no sence of shame what so ever.

Fact and history.

bush closed the bin-laden unit.

Done.

President Obama ordered Leon Panetta to make capturing or killing bin-laden a priority.

And done.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/8/2011 6:28:42 AM

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President Obama ordered Leon Panetta to make capturing or killing bin-laden a priority.

"What would Sgt. Swagger do," right, O59?

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/9/2011 9:20:54 AM

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Hope all is well in the colonies

We achieved nationhood not long ago...now we are governed by a fresh set of assholes

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/10/2011 2:32:08 PM

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Please refrain from attacking or trying to inflame other members. If your post has been removed, it was removed for one of these reasons.

The thread is now reopened.

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RE: A not-stupid war. - 6/10/2011 7:43:23 PM

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Please refrain from attacking or trying to inflame other members. If your post has been removed, it was removed for one of these reasons.

The thread is now reopened.

You got the short end of the stick having to put up with us in P&R today eh Theta?

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