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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 10:09:04 AM   
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During the Carter economic disaster

If carter was president durring an economic downturn and you call it "the carter economic disaster, would it be logical to call the economic downturn during the dubya administration the bush&co economic disaster? How many wars did carter start?

we had a company in my home town which avoided layoffs by cutting everyone from 40 hours to 30 hours.  The employees were thankful that no one lost their jobs.


Is this suppose to have a point?



Minnesota is going broke because they are paying teachers and others too much.


How much do teachers in minn. make?
How much do you think they should make?
Do you think bill gates makes too much money?

  Better to cut pay than cut jobs.

Are you saying there should be no talk about reducing profits to make payroll?

And don't tell me I don't believe in the Constitution. 

The constitution guarantees freedom of assembly and freedom of speech which you have advocated stiffling.
That is prima-facia evidence that you do not believe in the constitution.


Don't tell me to leave the country. 


If you do not believe in the constitution of my country get the fuck out


I want to live in America many, not all, of the left wants us to be France. 


Isn't it the right that is always pimping the fact that france has a large percentage of its electicity generated by neuclear power????yet you want the left to move to the land where one can glow in the dark.



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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 12:46:20 PM   
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Just because you DONT know, care, think, believe, doesnt mean others do , dont or should


This is true.

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I dont care that you disagree:) truly I could give a rats ass, but nothing worth protesting over is done quietly


That’s debatable.

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and yes it is force, by legislation is irrelevant, they are forced to give up something that they had, Legislated FORCE


A good point since government power is backed by threat of force but the unions are not so bereft of recourse that they have to be dicks toward handicapped people.

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they are pissed and rightly so


I don’t blame them for being pissed… I’d be pissed too.

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they have NO recourse until the next election or by protesting. If you were losing 10% of your take home pay, how happy would you be to last without that income for two or four years until you can get it reversed?


I wouldn’t be happy at all… but I wouldn’t use that as an excuse to be a dick to a bunch of handicapped people.

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Look at the tea party springing up only in 2008 and directed towards Obama despite being shafted for 8 years previously by their own party?


What about those dingleberries?

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if something you cared about was taken from you, you would be out there protesting.


I might, but it’s not likely. Mass emotion, particularly negative mass emotion, scares the shit out of me (it has been the cause of uncountable tragedies and atrocities, both large and small, in human history). With some exceptions (eg sporting events) I have a rule: if I find myself amongst a large group of people all enthusiastically agreeing with one another… I walk away. If I find myself agreeing with them… I run.

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just by your responses here shows me that.


If you only know somebody through words on a screen then you only know a tiny piece of them… which mean you don’t really know them at all.

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THe fact that you dont care.... about this particular situation is belied by your use of language.


I think not. My use of language demonstrates how offended I am by crulety masquerading as political protest. Your problem (and, I think, that of a great many others) is an inability to separate emotion from analysis. You have emotionally sided with the protestors (understandable) and therefore find it difficult to abide any criticism of them. Because I am criticizing these particular protestors actions at this particular event you assume that I am against the protestors goal which leads to further (false) assumptions about values and ideology. This is the same kind of nonsensical bullshit that led Tazzy into accusing me of taking blood money and embracing a system that kills people, merely because I refuse to be a good little subject and parrot the politically correct phrases in the health care debate.

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What would get you to protest, may not move me and I may even think its pathetic, but you dont have the right to tell me what I can protest over.


I am not telling anybody that they don’t have a right to protest! Holy fucking apeshit! If you think that I think that, then you do have a very false image of me! I'm the kind of guy who believes that you have a right to tell the cop what a dillhole he is while he writes up your speeding ticket... and if he doesn't like it, tough shit, the jumped up civil servant! What I am doing is using my right to free speech to voice my own opinion about this particular group of people on this particular occasion… which is this: HEY YOU INSENSATIVE, SELF-ABSORBED, DINGLEBERRIES! LEAVE THE HANDICAPPED PEOPLE ALONE! TAKE YOUR PROTEST SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE A FUNDRAISING DINNER OR POLITICAL RALLY OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW… SOMEWHERE WHERE IT WOULD MAKE SOME FUCKING SENSE!

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Enjoy your lunch


I did. Clam chowder and a peanut butter cookie on steroids (the chef next door makes them using peanut butter cups).

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Oh lord please dont let me be misunderstood(did I get that right?)


I don’t know… you persist in misunderstanding.


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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:09:11 PM   
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Of course these individuals were less than civil.Shame on them.But on them alone.

It`s far from fair to implicate unions and other union members with this act.

It was those members and those members only, that should get bashed.

I`m hoping at least a few kids there learned that democracy sometimes isn`t quiet,mess free or aways pleasant.

And it`s perfectly ok to reject fake outrage and point out a critics hypocrisy.There`s almost nothing as disgusting as fake outrage,because it`s premeditated. That take`s nothing away anything from folks making sincere criticisms.

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:15:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh Lookee Here .... It seems the governor may be the actual culprit of placing those poor special olympics kids in the middle WALKERVILLE has been going on for almost a week, and he still subjected those kids to being pawns.



Phil Neuenfeldt, Wisconsin State AFL-CIO president, sends an update on the actions around Wisconsin’s Walkerville. Day six of the Walkerville tent city protest has seen overwhelming support from Wisconsin workers, students and community members. Over the course of the week, thousands of Wisconsinites have gathered on the cement blocks lining the Capitol Square in order to call attention to Gov. Walker and his legislative allies’ destructive budget proposals—proposals which will cripple Wisconsin’s schools, health care system and communities. Many have said that they are surrounding the Capitol to bear witness to their elected officials’ decisions and to let their Representatives know that the people of Wisconsin are preparing to take back their government back this summer. “Walkerville is a way to focus the spotlight on Gov. Walker and Sen. Alberta Darling’s budget that will devastate higher education, public education and Wisconsin as we know it,” explained Michael Rosen, President of AFT Local 212, and professor at the Milwaukee Area Technical College. Rosen traveled to Walkerville on Wednesday to spend the night.
About 150 tents have sprung up around the Capitol since Saturday June 4, when the Walkerville tent city was erected. Stephanie Bloomingdale, Secretary-Treasurer of the Wisconsin State AFL-CIO, brought her son, Nicholas to Walkerville. “We are here to tell Scott Walker that his attack on Wisconsin’s unions, middle class, and communities will not stand. The people are coming together here in Walkerville to fight for a just budget and for an economy that works for all.” Each day in Walkerville has had a theme, complete with educational programs to inform citizens on the budget and how it will impact their everyday life. Public services, health care, education and higher education have all been a theme of the day. Many local musicians have taken to the stage on State Street to show their support for the protestors and entertain the family-friendly crowd. “As Wisconsinites, we cannot standby in silence while our friends, family and neighbors suffer at the hand of Governor Walker’s bad choices for our state,” explained Dian Palmer, President of SEIU Health Care Wisconsin and a public health nurse from Milwaukee who has been spending multiple nights in Walkerville. “I am here because what I have heard from Governor Walker does not represent the Wisconsin that I believe in or that my fellow Wisconsinites believe in. And I am here to bear witness and ensure that our leaders do right by education, healthcare and programs for senior citizens.” Walkerville Events On Health Care Day, nurses and home care patients took on a mock Scott Walker in the fight for quality health care in a play boxing match. Candice Owley, President of the Wisconsin Federation of Nurses and Health Professionals, took to the ring in order to ensure quality care for all of Wisconsin. On Public Services day, state and county employees held a mock town-hall listening session with characters of Gov. Walker, David Koch, Sen. Glen Grothman and Sarah Palin. On Sunday, Wisconsin teachers held a citizen speak-out. Last Monday, fire fighters, farmers and cops lead a march of thousands to call for a fair and just budget. Read more about it here. As the winds blew in last night Walkerville residence took refuge by patronizing local businesses as they waited out the storm. After the storm, Walkerville citizens returned to their tents, tucked-in for the night and continued to raise awareness of Gov. Walker’s bad budget choices.




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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:21:30 PM   
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Of course these individuals were less than civil.Shame on them.But on them alone.

It`s far from fair to implicate unions and other union members with this act.

It was those members and those members only, that should get bashed.

I`m hoping at least a few kids there learned that democracy sometimes isn`t quiet,mess free or aways pleasant.

And it`s perfectly ok to reject fake outrage and point out a critics hypocrisy.There`s almost nothing as disgusting as fake outrage,because it`s premeditated. That take`s nothing away anything from folks making sincere criticisms.


Looks like LOTS of groups showed up. And well, students don't always get an award for well thought out protest. I agree that it's insensitive.... But who wins the real TROPHY for insensitivity? The kids who were clueless about public perception and the feelings of the special olympians? Or the so-called Governor who threw those kids under the bus? Or doesn't the statehouse in Madison have a rotunda? I mean what the fuck do the cheeseheads do when they have an award to give and it's raining?


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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:40:28 PM   
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They have a simple way to "fix" this. It is called an election.
A. This is how the Republicans got control.
B. This is the recourse that the colonist did not have and was the reason they resorted to more aggressive means. That is the reason that people who disagree with this behavior are not parroting King George.


I got a better idea... A recall would be more expedient... In the meantime, why not let the citizens of Wisconsin determine their own means of having their voices heard?
  Right-wingers (if that's what they REALLY ARE .. I've increasing doubts about that) CLAIM they're big on states rights yet the right wing is dumping in tons of interference to Wisconsin, what with all the make-believe 'news' agencies and constitutional lawyers.
The protesters are all people of Wisconsin, college students and local union members.
  I can't see anything wrong with what they are doing in general. I think some students got out of line, though not legally, and fell into the trap the governor set for them.
  The only thing more tired than this phony framing of the people of Wisconsin exercising their rights is the over playing of "Freebird" in gin mills.

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:44:03 PM   
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The protesters are all people of Wisconsin, college students and local union members.


Wouldn't that be college thugs?

In Wisconsin, do they have to join the Thugs Union?

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:47:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am very pro union, but this was in bad taste. If you read the article you will see that it was not planned to happen like it did. If it had been thought out it probably wouldn't have happened. The protesters should apologize and move on. It would make their position stronger.

Progressives should ALWAYS take the high road.


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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:49:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thugs, teachers, and cops are not allowed collective bargaining in lawless republican Wisconsin.  Goons and bullies I am unsure of.  What you are seeing there is individuals that happen to have a set of common concerns but are not allowed to have an actual collectivity of common cause by dint of lawlessness in republican Wisconsin

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 1:50:56 PM   
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I dont disagree about ruining the ceremony for the kids themselves, but no one was being a thug or a bully in the traditional sense



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<snippety> With some exceptions (eg sporting events) I have a rule: if I find myself amongst a large group of people all enthusiastically agreeing with one another… I walk away. If I find myself agreeing with them… I run,<snip>.

Being english, being in a crowd of pissed off and drunk millwall fans on a saturday afternoon is far scarier than pissed off union people protesting peacefully in wisconsin



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If you only know somebody through words on a screen then you only know a tiny piece of them… which mean you don’t really know them at all.

Nowhere did I say I knew you, I said" by your responses here"....I only have your responses to go on..right??


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I think not. My use of language demonstrates how offended I am by crulety masquerading as political protest. Your problem (and, I think, that of a great many others) is an inability to separate emotion from analysis. You have emotionally sided with the protestors (understandable) and therefore find it difficult to abide any criticism of them.

Interesting, you expect me to afford you the right to express your opinion regarding the protest, but call mine as emotional siding with the protesters and therefore being wrong.... now your opinion is analysis or emotional?? By the way, I didnt disagree with the protestors and have more in common with special needs kids than I do teachers unions. Ive never been in a union, however I have worked with autistic kids so spare me the emotional attachment bullcrap.
your verbiage in caps isnt analysis to me.... its VERY emotional.I didnt get emotional or use emotional words until sanity started acting outraged. By the way, Just because you are angry for the kids doesnt make it an analysis call it emotional, dont be ashamed of it, its what makes you human


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I don’t know… you persist in misunderstanding.

If you dont recognise line from your sig, Im not the one who is misunderstanding
as in.....I'm just a soul whose intentions are good... then..... Oh lord please dont let me be misunderstood



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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:21:46 PM   
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This is your typical leftist thug/mob mentality. No different from other years, other places. There is no logic involved; just the rule of the mob... hysterical leftists. Very common the world over. You don't compromise with them; you defeat them.


Yeah, typical..they were there since saturday. And it is typical for a thug neo-con governor to take the low road and drag the special olympics kids into the protest instead of GOING TO THE FUCKING GROUNDS WHERE THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS ARE BEING HELD ... LIKE OTHER GOVERNORS DO.

For those who care... the Special Olympics Are Being Held At:
University of Wisconsin Stevens PointDoes anyone know where the Governor "opened" the special olympics last year?

I would love to see the article covering the opening last year.



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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:25:21 PM   
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Being english, being in a crowd of pissed off and drunk millwall fans on a saturday afternoon is far scarier than pissed off union people protesting peacefully in wisconsin


No doubt... but I was speaking on general principle... not about this protest specifically.

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Nowhere did I say I knew you, I said" by your responses here"....I only have your responses to go on..right??


No... you only have your interpetation of my responses to go on.

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Interesting, you expect me to afford you the right to express your opinion regarding the protest, but call mine as emotional siding with the protesters and therefore being wrong.... now your opinion is analysis or emotional?? By the way, I didnt disagree with the protestors and have more in common with special needs kids than I do teachers unions. Ive never been in a union, however I have worked with autistic kids so spare me the emotional attachment bullcrap.
your verbiage in caps isnt analysis to me.... its VERY emotional.I didnt get emotional or use emotional words until sanity started acting outraged. By the way, Just because you are angry for the kids doesnt make it an analysis call it emotional, dont be ashamed of it, its what makes you human


I am not dismissing emotion as a basis for forming an opinion. I do, however, stand by my contention that far to many people are unable to make a logical analysis because of an emotional, this is my team/tribal instinct. All too often, emotion trumps logic. Usually it works something like this:

"Oh look... so and so disagrees with me on "A." Well if they disagree with me on "A," then they probably are a "B" which means they believe "C" and "D" and "E" and anyone who believes "E," of course is IMMORAL SHITHEAD! It's at that point that I start to get all pissy... particularly if it's directed at me... because anyone who thinks I am an immoral shithead is an immoral shithead... I think.

My use of caps is a faux anger, a means of venting what I would like to say to such people. The reality is that, if I were there, I'd most likely just shake my head slowly and walk away feeling smugly superior.

I too have worked with both mentally and emotionally challanged people... and I have a grand-nephew who has been diagnosed as autistic.

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If you dont recognise line from your sig, Im not the one who is misunderstanding
as in.....I'm just a soul whose intentions are good... then..... Oh lord please dont let me be misunderstood


Of course I recognize my sig... sheesh ... I was punning.

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:28:42 PM   
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Nice


Since when is a students group a "UNION"?

Those are college students that walked in front of the governor. And while I feel bad for the special olympics group, given the fact that there was a protest going on EVERY SINGLE DAY for the past SEVERAL MONTHS, don't you think the governor might have chosen to have any presentation or speech inside the state house, where access can be controlled?
   And what's this Maciver news service ... I looked em up. Aren't they special?

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:30:33 PM   
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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:35:16 PM   
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The protesters are all people of Wisconsin, college students and local union members.



Wouldn't that be college thugs?

In Wisconsin, do they have to join the Thugs Union?


How the heck would I know? I'm not in charge of the disinformation in this thread. I just went out and gathered a few actual facts to go along with the phony news source cited.
But I think all you need to be a legal thug in Wisconsin is register with the Wisconsin Republican party

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:37:14 PM   
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sorry Stern not even G*d could do that


Okay, but we could at least make him look like Nancy Reagan.. which'd be a distinct improvement

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:38:07 PM   
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But I think all you need to be a legal thug in Wisconsin is register with the Wisconsin Republican party



I wonder why the legal requirement for thugs in  the lawless republican party in wisconsin.  It doesn't make any more sense than any other lawless republican position in wisconsin.

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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 2:38:31 PM   
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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 3:48:54 PM   
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RE: Union Thugs Disrupt Special Olympics Ceremony - 6/10/2011 5:43:32 PM   
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They dont take the high road around here very much.

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I am very pro union, but this was in bad taste. If you read the article you will see that it was not planned to happen like it did. If it had been thought out it probably wouldn't have happened. The protesters should apologize and move on. It would make their position stronger.

Progressives should ALWAYS take the high road.



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