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SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/11/2011 8:38:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Syl, the TNG issue is a complicated one.  When the insurance rates change for a public club due to age or you're looking to hold a three day event at a venue large enough that doesn't have a wet bar, it can be challenging.  I don't particularly have good answers on the issue.


If events required everyone to be 21+ based on insurance rates, that would be understandable.  However, there's no reason to ban those under 21 from a munch or a demo where no alcohol is allowed when the legal age of consent is 18.  Yet, the groups here do exclude anyone under 21 for "very good legal reasons" without ever saying what those reasons are. 
 
When there's a juice bar a few blocks over from the dungeon, where any 18 year old with a valid ID can watch women get completely naked on stage and then get a lap dance from a girl in a thong bikini, those "legal reasons" look like a whole lot of BS. 
 
I've talked with one of the founding members of the largest kink group in town.  He flat out told me they will never allow anyone under 21 because the older members are uncomfortable with the TNG crowd.  Then they turn around and complain about how none of the 21-35 crowd wants to participate in their group or receive the "benefit of experience" the older folks have to offer.  Well gee, I wonder why.  It's not about insurance rates, it's about attitude.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/11/2011 9:19:38 PM)

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Seattle & Vancouver are utterly jacked up.
if by jacked up you mean good, then things must have changed since i was involved. that was about 4 years ago.

hannah lynn




LadyPact -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/11/2011 9:26:08 PM)

Syl, I sent you an email on the other side.

It's always disappointing to hear that certain communities are seen negatively by those who have attended.  I swear there are times that I think I'm just lucky.  With all of the times that I've moved around, I just haven't landed in a place where I couldn't find a good munch group within what I determine to be driving distance.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/11/2011 9:28:58 PM)

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It's always disappointing to hear that certain communities are seen negatively by those who have attended.  I swear there are times that I think I'm just lucky.  With all of the times that I've moved around, I just haven't landed in a place where I couldn't find a good munch group within what I determine to be driving distance.
maybe its because you're not a bitch. i freely admit i may be the reason i have had such bad luck.

hannah lynn




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/11/2011 10:05:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Syl, I sent you an email on the other side.

It's always disappointing to hear that certain communities are seen negatively by those who have attended.  I swear there are times that I think I'm just lucky.  With all of the times that I've moved around, I just haven't landed in a place where I couldn't find a good munch group within what I determine to be driving distance.



Got it and replied.
 
I'm more inclined to think you're just awesome.  There is a group about an hour and a half away in Topeka, KS that I would attend if I had childcare and could afford the gas.  I know a couple of people who help run it and did a "poly and kinky" presentation for them.  They're good people and I enjoyed the time I spent with there. 
 
One of the things that made a profound impact on me was interacting with a M/s couple in both Kansas City and Topeka.  I'd met them at a MAsT munch in KC a couple of weeks prior to the poly & kinky presentation.  They were much more relaxed and friendly with the Topeka crowd than they were around the local people.  That, more than anything, tells me that my area is just less friendly than other places.




LadyPact -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/11/2011 10:13:57 PM)

I have no better answer on this than pure, blind luck.  I'd blame it on the frequent moving if all of My experiences were based in cities where that was common.  (Three out of four.) 

I do think it might be hit or miss.  I'm not here to preach that *everybody* in *all* communities are just so wonderful and I'm trying to sell folks some kind of pipe dream that all they are going to find are puffy clouds and whiskers on kittens.  (Dang, I'd puke on that, Myself.)

What I am saying is, considering the gender bias on the net, if I were looking at a one in ten shot, I'd be exploring other options.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/11/2011 11:16:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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They had titles even at munches?
They did. Maybe I just went to the wrong ones, but they clung to their titles like a shipwrecked man does a life preserver.


I'm surprised that you find this to be unusual.  In most of the groups that I've belonged to, the majority of the members use scene names.  I have always just gone by my real name.  But that is definitely not the norm.




BendingGender -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 12:47:30 AM)

I've got mixed views on going to munches and dungeons. I like the potential for camaraderie found in amongst a bunch of people who live outside of mainstream "normal" parameters. I like having the opportunity to find someone local enough for casual play between friends, with the potential for developing into something more. I like networking with people that I'm interested in learning technical skills from.

I went to a once-a-month FemDom munch for a while when I'd just started exploring the scene. I was grateful for that chance. I learned from people who I considered safe and patient. And I was told that I shifted the perspective several of them had about young people entering the scene.

While it worked it was great. Entertaining. Informative. There were BDSM 101's where they had demos during some of the munch meetings if we held them at the dungeon. And otherwise there was just a whole lot of friendly, happy people getting together to chew the fat at some vanilla venue.

When it stopped working it was a little like high school 2.0. Back biting, finger pointing, and not quite eye gouging as heavy hitting personalities clashed. It was a mess and it got ugly. I never took sides, as I tend to feel that if I'm forced into a corner and pressured to make a choice, I'll opt for neither. I don't want to play politics or get caught up in someone's drama. I'll keep my opinions about people to myself, and try to stay on good terms with those involved that I'm still interested in sharing parts of my life with.

I'll make it known up front that I'm not going to be a catty, bitchy gossip and talk trash with one or either of the sides, and that if they're interested in lamenting about their personal drama that I'm not the right person to share that with. They want me to think good thoughts for a friend with cancer, I can do that. They want to borrow a shoulder because the partner they were really into just wasn't all that into them, that's fine too. But I'm not about to get sucked into the swirling vortex that is their beef with another individual that I consider a friend.

For those reasons, along with my own shifting self-image, I removed myself from the group. I'm thankful for the good things that I took away from being a part of it. And I'm sorry that ego and the inability to communicate effectively ruined an otherwise good thing.

I'd join another group in a heartbeat, so long as people aren't acting in a way that makes me want to ask them for proof of age. It's my opinion - and YMMV - that people in groups are often susceptible to group-think or hive mentality. I don't want to play by other people's rules, or get dragged into messy, volatile situations because someone didn't bother to take a step back, take a deep breath, and let it all go. These cliques that get formed, these games that people play, none of it's worth the strife. And I don't have a place for it in my life.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 1:19:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

I'm surprised that you find this to be unusual.  In most of the groups that I've belonged to, the majority of the members use scene names.  I have always just gone by my real name.  But that is definitely not the norm.

Round here the professionals go by their scene/screen names (fair enough) and other people tend to introduce themselves just using first names. Talking about people tends to go like this:

'have you seen Fred? [blank look] You know, tall guy, redhead? [blank look] Um um um what's he called....UberMasterKalamazoo!'
'Oh you mean Fred! Yeah, he's over there talking to Bobby.
'...who?'
'You know, Bobby.'
[blank look]

&c &c

[8D]




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 1:49:33 AM)

Just read all four pages, loved hearing the variety of points made.

In this small town, I seemed to be the community.  No active munch groups anywhere...SMACK had stopped meeting in Beckley and KATS in Charleston is new.  I've spent around seven years meeting people from CM if they were interested in meeting up.  I even tried to form a group here several times, but I couldn't find other women who would answer my short (don't everybody have a heart attack here, I do sometimes write SHORT letters) notes...two during a seven year time frame do not count.  The men were usually just interested in scening at a drive thru McDomme.

My vehicle is old, and driving to the munch in Charleston would take half a tank of gas, $12 in tolls, and about $20 for the bar and grill and tip.  Hate to say it but I am low income and for half a year, my winter bills and then catching up make driving that far of the question.  If it was in my own town or in a neighboring town, it wouldn't be such a big deal.  I used to drive to Charleston several times per week, years ago when I had a new vehicle.  Only once in over a dozen years did I manage to make it from here to there in under two hours.  To be frank, it gives me the creeps to be that far away from home, especially in an old vehicle when my family isn't with me.  If it is foggy or raining hard, sometimes it has taken me 4-6 hours to drive home.  If I have my autistic son in the car with me, and my seventysomething year old mother, I can drive to Ohio or Florida or Texas and I am okay with that.  If something goes wrong and the vehicle would break down, we would all be together in a motel room and I would be handling the situation.  My family wouldn't be worried.  If I were four hours away from my mother when she had a heart attack or something, I would flip out.

I'm at a point in my life where I want to see a group of others at least a few times.  If there was a dungeon nearby with demonstrations I would be there every time in a front row seat.  As far as play parties go...I am more skittish.  It would help if I were a voyeur or an exhibitionist, but so far I show no signs of it.  For me, scening is private...and gawd...with the right person it is almost sacred.  I cannot imagine hearing someone cough or shuffle on by when I am working a scene.  I think I would react like a bucket of cold water was dumped on me, but with a little help from a friend I will likely try it out anyway. 

As for the chances of meeting someone through CM compared with meeting someone at a munch.  I already tried dating someone in the Charleston area and the long distance commute became a problem, so if someone I meet at KATS lives in the Charleston area...I see the same issue cropping up regardless of where we met, through CollarMe or the munch group. 

I'm female, so meeting male subs and male switches from CM hasn't been a problem...so yes, this works for me.  I am really not counting on meeting my boy at a munch, that would be like finding a million dollar winning lottery ticket; I just want to see others, in a large group of "us".

Finding a body to scene with is easy, finding someone compatible for a long term relationship (hopefully my very last one) is a lot more difficult.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 3:51:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

LadyPact, thanks for your work here.

I might point out an additional factor - the community serves as a screening mechanism.  There are people, both male and female, who will not dare show their face in the local community because they have burned others badly.  Asking to meet people at an event screens 'em out.



It's this type of rigid thinking that will probably kill off local scenes in certain areas.  You old-timers should probably be thanking your Higher Power that the Internet exists so that others can explore this lifestyle without much worry on running into some hardcore elitist that thinks because they can tie shoes they can have an ego.  Give me a break.









JstAnotherSub -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 5:27:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

LadyPact, thanks for your work here.

I might point out an additional factor - the community serves as a screening mechanism.  There are people, both male and female, who will not dare show their face in the local community because they have burned others badly.  Asking to meet people at an event screens 'em out.



It's this type of rigid thinking that will probably kill off local scenes in certain areas.  You old-timers should probably be thanking your Higher Power that the Internet exists so that others can explore this lifestyle without much worry on running into some hardcore elitist that thinks because they can tie shoes they can have an ego.  Give me a break.








So good to see you off of moderation and being kinder and gentler.

[:'(]




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 5:49:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

I have to agree (apart from one catastrophically weird edition of the London U35 when there was never more than 4 women in the room at any one time, but that's the exception that proves the rule). From what I've seen, gender ratios at my local munches have been pretty even.


I don't think I've ever been to a munch or a BDSM even where the gender ratio was even remotely even, there always seem to be more guys.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 5:54:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

LadyPact, thanks for your work here.

I might point out an additional factor - the community serves as a screening mechanism.  There are people, both male and female, who will not dare show their face in the local community because they have burned others badly.  Asking to meet people at an event screens 'em out.



It's this type of rigid thinking that will probably kill off local scenes in certain areas.  You old-timers should probably be thanking your Higher Power that the Internet exists so that others can explore this lifestyle without much worry on running into some hardcore elitist that thinks because they can tie shoes they can have an ego.  Give me a break.





Pray tell how that will kill of local scenes? By keeping the nutcases out that are known to cause damage? You mean you rather risk your hide and health by meeting a complete stranger of the internet, a person who can't go to munches or local events because they screwed up badly there and possibly caused considerable harm to a play partner than risk meeting some "hardcore elitists" who think SSC or RACK are something that's important?

You better pray a clueless play partner doesn't give you a break because he or she doesn't really know where to hit or has no regard for safe words...




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 6:05:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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They had titles even at munches?
They did. Maybe I just went to the wrong ones, but they clung to their titles like a shipwrecked man does a life preserver.



Would drive me batty, seriously, luckily I never encountered that much.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 6:09:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I went to a TES party when I was in NYC, and I have to say I was unimpressed.






ROFL, I actually went to a few TES demos in NYC and wondered why a person who was obviously clueless about the subject gave the demo... I think it was the one eyed being king (or rather queen) among the blind... I heard there were some good demos but unfortunately I didn't go to those...




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 6:31:35 AM)

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Pray tell how that will kill of local scenes? By keeping the nutcases out that are known to cause damage? You mean you rather risk your hide and health by meeting a complete stranger of the internet, a person who can't go to munches or local events because they screwed up badly there and possibly caused considerable harm to a play partner than risk meeting some "hardcore elitists" who think SSC or RACK are something that's important?


Oh what great logic, meeting a complete stranger off the Internet is different than meeting a complete stranger at a munch.  There are nutcases everywhere.  You interact with some of those people and you think they're completely out of their mind and you don't want anything to do with them period.  Most of the time these end up in my case being the more reputable members.  You have to realize, if inflicting pain gets you off you obviously have a screw loose according to the rest of the world. 

As for the whole, play partner gets harmed more than he/she should.  Now me personally, I only do this stuff in relationships.  If I was a super-social munch-lovin' guy I would probably ask at first to do a public scene with someone I didn't know yet.  There's an idea.  Otherwise you can be a deceptive simian and make claims that some person that was new to the lifestyle did something they shouldn't have and they are to be excommunicated.  Tight-knit groups like those at munches love them politics.

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You better pray a clueless play partner doesn't give you a break because he or she doesn't really know where to hit or has no regard for safe words...


I'll also pray that whenever I speak to a woman online that they are not the Zodiac Killer or Elizabeth Bathory! 







GreedyTop -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 7:11:36 AM)

with your attitude, I'd be surprised if that was the most gentle offers you recieve.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 7:16:25 AM)

As I said, it's your health and it certainly won't be any skin off my hide, but I'd feel a bit more secure interacting with people others know and trust than complete and utter strangers. You can never cut out all the risks but I'm willing to minimize them, it's the same procedure as looking before you cross the road.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Why get out to the community? (6/12/2011 7:26:36 AM)

So you let others dictate how you should perceive a stranger.

Good to know!




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