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NuevaVida -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (6/26/2011 7:37:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aromanholiday I see it as very sensible and realistic, and the only course someone can take if they are more dedicated to/interested in the reality of owning someone than they are dedicated to/interested in the reality of loving them. Didn't the fact that this person "cares for" and "nurtures" their property catch your attention: those are two very good things, and not all masters provide even that. We all make our own choices about what is best for ourselves. Denigrating someone else's personal choice for themselves as "fearful" or "how negative" just because you would not make it or want to be with someone who would make it strikes me as extremely narrow-minded and YKINOK-ish. Not everybody is totally enamoured with romantic love masquerading as extreme kink--nor should they be if that sort of relationship does not feel right or true to them. Let's try to be a little more grown up about this people? You've got the majority of posters in this thread totally agreeing with you that love is the shitz, so why can you not leave unharassed the two or three (or maybe four) that tread another path? My fearful comment was about the idea that loving someone brings emotional blackmail into it. The rest of your post doesn't have anything to do with that. That you think I'm harassing is just beyond me.

Sakone -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (6/27/2011 7:33:56 PM)
I would say yes to this, as I think sometimes trust is built from love.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (6/28/2011 12:12:27 AM)
quote: no, it simply removes all the 'if you loved me you wouldnt do that' type of stuff. there are no issues. there is no need to dig deep, there is nothing buried there. yes i care for those i hurt, but i also enjoy it, its who i am. I love Hanners and it makes me all that much more determined to please her in an way I can. it reinforces my surrender to her, how can I deny her when I love her so. And Hanners loves me and she sure does enjoy hurting me, so I just don't see your point.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (6/28/2011 2:32:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheChastiser quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt quote: ORIGINAL: TheChastiser quote: ORIGINAL: Acephale fall in love with your subs? most definitely not. i care for and nurture but leave love where it belongs. it means that emotional blackmail does not enter the relationship. Mike You are right, if you love someone, they can emotionally blackmail you. They can hurt you. This would mean you, as the dominant, would not have all the power all the time. I ask you to consider why that is such an issue for you. And also, where in your mind, does love belong? no, it simply removes all the 'if you loved me you wouldnt do that' type of stuff. there are no issues. there is no need to dig deep, there is nothing buried there. yes i care for those i hurt, but i also enjoy it, its who i am. Mike These kinds of issues have nothing to do at all with a bdsm relationship. They are the result of two people in a dysfunctional relationship.

mnottertail -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (6/28/2011 6:36:46 AM)
Well, I NEVER!!!!

phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (6/29/2011 5:06:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession I think having any sort of relationship involving sexuality without love is just sport fucking. It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. At the bare minimum historically, to engage in any sexual act I have to deeply like someone, but I wouldn't even entertain taking on someone as a sub or slave full time without love being a factor. I think some may feel that if you love someone, you lose the "dominant" perspective, and it makes you a push over, but I've found that really loving someone deeply does the opposite, it makes you push the submissive/slave to be even more an expression of their highest potential, knowing that in doing so, they become more self-actualized and better at serving ALL needs, not just the sexual or sadistic ones. The difference I guess is that while some take on subs/slaves purely for selfish ego gratification or the frequent indulgence of their sexual kinks or perversions, some take them on to form a very intimate, deep relationship. I find that love heightens the intensity of the experience and enough so that lacking it, I lose interest in the prospect. was wondering waht to say then saw your comment. doesnt need to say much more. and we are getting married soon. i will alwasy be owned by him he will alwasy be my master its who we are

BabieGothika -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (7/7/2011 8:11:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Some fall in love with every one, some fall in love with only one, some never fall in love. Some think they are in love when they are not, some are in love but won't admit it. Some should never fall in love and it is tragic that others never do. Its nice what you wrote, i love it[;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][;)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]

JudgeMagister -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (7/16/2011 10:08:59 PM)
Jeez... i've asked this at some of the meets i've been to and answers vary as there are clouds in the sky. I'm fairly young so I don't think i've truely felt love for my sub yet... I have a question myself if and when a master falls in love with his/her sub... does it change their relationship? and if so does it change drastically?

BKSir -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (7/16/2011 10:13:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Yup. The amount of trust required for my style of relationship requires a total exposure of your personality, dreams and desires. If you are a good person, how could I not fall in love? If you're a nasty bitch and riddled with issues, why would I keep you after uncovering your filthy soul? That pretty much covers it for me too. PS: I've missed you 'round here RS.

HardtotheKore -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (7/28/2011 4:02:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Acephale fall in love with your subs? That would depend on the characters but a "human" version of a Master and "human" version of sub (if they even have clue of what they're doing) will fall in love. Normal humans look for that connection.

Manawyddan -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/7/2011 4:57:12 AM)
Absolutely.

RaspberryLemon -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/7/2011 7:17:30 PM)
I would never be a pet to a Master that didn't love me. Likewise, I would never be a pet to a Master that I do not love. I just don't see the point. The entire motivation for being submissive to him is that I love him and he loves me.

SheCreature -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/8/2011 9:07:44 AM)
I can't serve him, if I don't love him. It's not working for me at all. Maybe without love, some things would be easier, but I think, I won't try :-P

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/21/2011 11:55:04 PM)
Always. I don't want a woman at my feet who doesn't love me and I don't love her. Maybe in my lap, or in my bed for a short time: but not at my feet.

InsatiaBULL -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/23/2011 10:18:09 AM)
Of course I fell in love with her beauty & her submission! In the early years, it was PURE PLEASURE! The sex was BOTH unlimited & fulfilling! How I loved that woman... Soon, I was to experience what is commonly known as "topping from the bottom". And, treating her like a lady, I honored her wishes AND IGNORED MINE. Over time, I realized that I was being manipulated. No, marriage isn't essentially "legalized prostitution". With a hooker, the trick usually receives that for which he paid. In marriage, the husband simply pays, and pays, and pays... Your "mileage" may vary, depending upon her moods... Yes, I fell in love with my lady. She seems to have regarded herself as being a (sexual) slave, while I - most certainly did not.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/23/2011 10:32:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well, I NEVER!!!! That's not what I heard... or the rumar that I started... or what I wrote on the bathoom wall?!! [8D] [:D] <--- trouble maker

Endivius -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/25/2011 1:09:26 AM)
It wouldnt work for me if love was not present. It starts with lust and chemistry, and we build upon it into love. As others allready stated, if its a switch, I dont even care, they are just a temporary toy. With a relationship you have to have love, or the trust will simply not be there, and you both cannot get fully what you desire out of eachother. It might work for a little while, it won't last though.

masterdstar -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (8/29/2011 12:35:37 PM)
Only slaves. Enjoy your wonder-filled day

mons -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (9/7/2011 5:10:10 AM)
My sub fell in love( this is not love) with me but it is a nightmare! That was in 2007! He is back I am not here for him! As woman I am emotionally and mentally stronger, but jealous rage when that person is 6'4 and 230 lb with my 5'5 and 160, I was frighten! I was beaten up often and attack when I dated someone my parents picked! No one is to ever hit me again! I let him go and the four yearsI had known him, he never showed his natural for voilence! Yes I wonder if this has happen to others?

InsatiaBULL -> RE: Masters, do you ever... (9/9/2011 1:49:26 PM)
That's why I'm with her - because I love her. Otherwise, why would I waste any resources on having her with me?

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