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GreedyTop -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 8:26:46 AM)

yeah, most of us WOULD believe,,,,


and most of us have developed a 'radar' that would discern such.,

Not infallible,  by any means,  but usually spot on.

it's called instinct/ gut feeling/ hunches/ etc




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 8:29:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

It is beyond easy to read if someone is married.




Please clarify this for me, would you? Because I am reading this as though you are saying that if someone can't read that someone is married, it is somehow their fault that they ended up helping that person cheat???

And for the record, there are those who are so practiced at deception that you would never ever know!!!




tj444 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 8:33:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

yeah, most of us WOULD believe,,,,


and most of us have developed a 'radar' that would discern such.,

Not infallible,  by any means,  but usually spot on.

it's called instinct/ gut feeling/ hunches/ etc

Yes, of course, that is also why I have my tests. Its sort of funny to watch, actually. [:D]

I know the right guy is out there, I know he wont be perfect but he will be so much more man to me cuz i will allow myself to trust him (& he will trust me). I will find him. [:)]




GreedyTop -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 8:37:59 AM)

good for you, doll..... you know what/who you want/desire/need :)






SilverMark -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 8:57:04 AM)

Hmmmm..... I have never hit a woman, I try hard to respect women at all times, I try to be kind, I don't think they are all psychotic,
I am told that I am quite the gentleman in the presence of women...They seem to like me...Damn, I must be doing it all wrong![8D]




OttersSwim -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 9:42:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis


quote:

ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

It is beyond easy to read if someone is married.




Please clarify this for me, would you? Because I am reading this as though you are saying that if someone can't read that someone is married, it is somehow their fault that they ended up helping that person cheat???

And for the record, there are those who are so practiced at deception that you would never ever know!!!


No no, I am saying that usually it is not hard to determine that a person is married - be they male or female.  I acknowledge that there are folks out there who are likely good at covering their tracks.  I guess what I was objecting to was the OPs assertion that nearly all males are cheating, and assertion that rapists are the "norm" in the male population. 

It takes two to tango, and plenty of women cheat and have sex with men, just as plenty of men cheat and have sex with women.

Likewise, I believe that while there are certainly men out there who are rapists...this is no way to paint the whole of male-kind or imply that it is somehow the baseline from which all men start.




RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 9:56:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

I don't know how you can say you aren't a man hater and post this shit


That was my thought too, or one of them at least. Despite some bad experiences with women (and many good ones too) I can't imagine feeling that way about an entire gender.

On the pos side, it has reiterated to me (looking around at the bile and self-loathing on show from some) that I’m a much more positive person than I sometimes give myself credit for. I think of myself as somewhat curmudgeonly at times, but I guess that, compared to many, I'm not :)




Daddysredhead -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 10:22:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

We are able to voyeuristically peek into their relationship through their words but also, more importantly, to see what is special about one through the words of the other. And, what is special about the person writing in how they write about the other.


I just wanted to say that I loved this part of your post, LaT. I haven't read this whole thread, but I agree that you learn a lot about someone by the words spoken/written of them by those who are close to them.

~ Red




gungadin09 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 10:37:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
Me three!


Me four.

pam




YSG -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 10:47:42 AM)

Hannah, I do understand where you're coming from, but from a man's perspective. I have been abused, lied to, cheated on, raped, and basically hung out to dry by a good number of women in my life. If any man on this board would have good reason to hate women, it would be me. Here is the difference between you and I though: I look at it as I found, and got involved with, the dregs of the female gender. You simply choose to lump us all together because of your experiences.

Wether or not you consider yourself a lesbian or bisexual or whatever, the fact remains, you are a man hater, simply because you lump us all into the same category. Really, sexism is no different from racism in my mind. Its still a mass judgement of a group of people, simply based on coincidences of birth.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:01:46 AM)

holy fuck! a lot more replies than i expected. ok, then, a mass reply to save time and bandwidth.

kana***
yeah, i guess we can seem that way to you guys. of course you're wrong about us, but what the fuck eh?[:D]

latigresse***
thanks. i agree with you on the numbers. i originally put in 1 in 100, but decided to change it, to be a little more generous. i guess i'm mellowing as i approach the big 3-0, eh?

fadedshadow***
i can't really argue with that overall. but i will add that in my experience the bulk of the non-trash are found at the lower end of the economic scale and on the fringes of society.

lillybopeep***
i wasn't assuming that my conclusions were unique, or that i was revealing any great deep truths. i posted it to explain why i hold the views i do. i don't think i am overly bitter, i'm just fucking realistic. i've been divested of my romanticism when it comes to men. and babe, i was a streetwalker, believe me i know just how evil and dangerous women can be. try being the new slut on the corner and you'll see just how sisterly the ladies of the night aren't.
i'm sure your pedo guy messed your head up pretty good, they really do that to you. i had one guy who had me dress up in his daughter's clothes and then walk in stanley park after dark so he could jump out of the bushes, grab me, beat me and "rape" me while calling me by her name and i called him daddy. that whole scene fucked me over for a week or two. i never did him a second time, that's for fucking sure.

aynne88***
first, all those wonderful men you know, how many of them can you honestly say you are 100% positive that they have never hired a prostitute, or taken advantage of a hungry homeless girl? and how the fuck do you know what they did when they were with her. see that's my point, for you they are wonderful and caring, but when they come out to play on my side of the tracks, they drop the facade and be themselves, because to their minds we don't matter, we're just whores. and who they are without their masks is very different from who they are with them on. fucking jeckyll and hyde comes to mind for most of them.
men don't go to whores when they are broken hearted, and usually don't go to bars first. the vast majority of my clients were stone cold sober. so we are comparing different subsets of men here. and what they told me about the women in their lives is very different from what they tell you, very very different.
the whole fucking point of posting this shit was to show how i wasn't a man-hater, that i disliked and distrusted men for valid reasons. but that seems to have zipped right over your head. oh well, can't get through to everybody.

jstanothersub***
you're remark about being treated the way you let people treat you, well come on. for fuck's sake, letting people treat you however the fuck they want to is pretty much central to a prostitute's role, doncha think?

tj444***
yes a lot of the fuckers are out cheating, but not all of them. a whole lot of single men frequent hookers, a whole fuck of a lot of them. mostly losers in one form or another who can't or won't get laid any other way.

arpig***
you agree because you're not really a man. you're a lesbian at heart. viva el frente extensivo lesbianismo!

otterswim***
their marital status by definition doesn't enter into it if you are fucking them for money, or for food, or a place to sleep out of the snow.
the concentration? yeah, a valid point. my experiences are with a certain sector of the male population, but its pretty fucking representative. and its a large sample. you do the math: 2 years, roughly 200 nights a year, 2 - 4 men a night. we're talking between 800 and 1600 of them. that's a fuck of a lot of men. and that doesn't include the rest of the time when i wasn't officially hooking, when i was just being exploited whenever i was down and out.

linnaeaborealis***
thanks. its good to have somebody else from the "trade" confirm my findings.

arpig (again)***
well, since you're technically not a guy, ok, you can. but you have to shave first, and i mean fucking all of you, not just your face. goddamn werewolf.

silvermark***
if what you say is true, and i have no particular reason to doubt you, then you would be one of those 1/50 i mentioned. good on ya, i envy any woman lucky enough to be with you.

otterswim (again)***
i didn't mention cheating or rape in my op even once. tj brought up cheating, and you are the first to bring up rape. i was really fucking open and honest about my feelings in the op, i didn't sugarcoat or dress anything up. i'm sure there is a whole fuck of a lot in there for you to debate or object to without making shit up.

rapierfugue***
your opinions do not surprise me in the least. but please keep in mind, we are mere mortals, so you shouldn't really judge us by the same standards you use for yourself and your fellow olympians.

thanks all for reading, and for the messages of support that i didn't reply to. and for the silliness as well. there is always room for some serious silliness in life.




RapierFugue -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:07:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

rapierfugue***
your opinions do not surprise me in the least. but please keep in mind, we are mere mortals, so you shouldn't really judge us by the same standards you use for yourself and your fellow olympians.


"But, loike the Murphys ..."




gungadin09 -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:11:24 AM)

For the record: i think there are worse things than being considered a man-hating dyke.

Also for the record: i'm not a dyke, but i hate people in general.

pam




GreedyTop -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:15:30 AM)

I agree with Pam...




LaTigresse -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:34:21 AM)

I've often said there is a very good reason I have three dogs, one cat and two horses.

I do see a lot of humour in the fact that Hannah posts a lot like a female version of a certain male poster, that hasn't been around here much anymore, that used to get accused of hating women. He uses lots of cuss words and comes across all mean and nasty. I used to wonder if I was the only one that saw a lot of tongue in cheek humour in his posts. The ones he made when he wasn't under moderation.

Seriously......I don't see this stuff as gender hateful. I see it as very dry humour, almost a way of saying I survived and am going to be okay, and for all that fucktards did to me, I DON'T hate you all. I just think an awful lot of you are really fucked up. Which is totally true. A lot of us, men and women, are really fucked up.

The problem is, most of us seem to require the truth to be all candy coated and P.C.

Fuck P.C.. I am sick of P.C..




GreedyTop -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:36:04 AM)

*adores LaT*

I really need to get out that way....




ResidentSadist -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:37:51 AM)

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. . . that being said, not all of them are right fucking assholes, just almost all of them. i have a few male friends, and they are among my closest and most trusted friends. a good man is really fucking good, they're just really, really fucking rare, maybe 1 in 50 if you're really fucking lucky.


Not all man hating dykes are assholes either.  Some are among my close friends.  Maybe like 1 in 50 is truly a good woman. 






PeonForHer -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:43:37 AM)

FR

This sort of thread leaves me scratching my head. So many women turn up to agree about what shits men are. (All men, seemingly. There are those that show it and those that keep it hidden - that's the only difference.) A few of these will be the same women who'll later - even on the same day, sometimes - tell me that I'm a nice guy.

So . . . really, what the hell am I supposed to make of that? Which one is the truth and which one is a lie? (Or maybe both are true and when I look between my legs I'm mistaken to believe I see a dick there?)

Cos, you know, it'd be kind of useful to me to know before I get together with any given woman. I don't want her suddenly to 'see' me for the 'Jack the Ripper that I am' the instant she first spots a razor blade in my bathroom.








LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:47:32 AM)

No, Peon. Nobody here said *all* men. I said "a lot, maybe most". I also said that women can be sucky. One of my most unhealthy relationships was with a woman. And I mentioned that when I went from exclusively men to exclusively women, I brought me with me. I am personally baffled by most humans & their behavior.

But you also said "many" women, not all......




OttersSwim -> RE: guys suck, but i'm not a man-hating dyke (6/14/2011 11:49:01 AM)

Regarding my bringing up rape:

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather]when even the "ardent feminist" do-gooder running the women's outreach shelter sneaks into your room in the middle of the night, you get just a little fucking cynical. if he were the exception it wouldn't be a fucking problem, but he's not. he's the norm.


You said it in so many words right there - you equate all males with a guy who would sneak into a woman's room in a shelter to take advantage of her - your words imply rape in the strongest terms.  You are correct that you did not directly type it - but you -say it- loud and clear.  And then you say that this sort of male is the norm...in fact you imply that all the bad things you say about men can be applied to all men everywhere.

I definitely get that you have been exposed to and harmed by bad people who were men, but I strongly dispute your assertion that those men were in any way typical of all men everywhere.




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