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Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 10:23:38 AM   
DiamondDiva


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Status: offline 		I am just curious as to whether people use their floggers more for discipline or just for scene play? I have read various articles regarding the history of the flogger and why it is used but I want to know what REAL people think.





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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 1:14:23 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		I love a good flogging. Depending on the person doing the flogging...it can very much resemble a very good massage.

I've never been disciplined with one. Other than getting hurt trying out new toys.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 1:22:48 PM   
sweetpleaser


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Status: offline 		I believe flogging can be fun so I don't understand the stories regarding flogging as discipline. How can you discipline the willing?



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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 1:23:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I'm going for discipline, I get out the wood paddle. To me, floggers are erotic. I love the look, feel, heft, swing, swoosh of them. I do like that some of them cause pain, but it is pain for the sake of pain, not for corrective measures. I've been told a Domme needs only one flogger. *laughs* I have 14 and usually use at least half of those in a session. I'd love to have the money to collect floggers.. (Darn they are EXPENSIVE) I'd have a flogger wall, like some men have a gun or knife wall.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 1:41:10 PM   
BigBadVoodooDadd


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Status: offline 		It depends what the flogger was made for to tell you the truth. I have some floggers that I have made myself and I have to tell you that they are of great use for scening and massaging (which is what some of them were used for in the old ages) but if I want to punish someone I use the mean ones.

I have one that is a leather flogger with knots at the end which leave mean bad marks on the person's ass. Also love to use my braided fall flogger that is a MEAN MEAN SOB. Some subs like paddles so that is no punishment for them, some like canes and some like the sting of the whip. I use whatever they DON'T like and enjoy for punishment.

I love canes and I love whips, they are my favorites but when you have a painslut the best punishment is to make her cum till she can't walk, move or talk any more. Make every spasm a very painful experience so that her senses are overloading at all times and then have some fun with floggers, canes, knives and other fun toys that will make her scream. That's just me.

To get back to your question though, whatever works. I will use the flogger for punishment if I know I can give punishment with it.

I hope this helps!

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 2:20:17 PM   
smilezz


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Status: offline 		OH! i love having a Flogger on my back...then ass. I have to say though, ANY toy can be used for Discipline..or Hell, Punishment for that matter...no matter how much you enjoy it, or how much of a pain slut you may be..or how much correction you need.

It's the Intent of the User behind the toy.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 2:59:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		i enjoy a good flogging, however flogging as well as anything else can be given as a form of punishment. It is solely based on One's intent on it. A sub/slave who knows they have done wrong, can distinguish the the difference between punishment and enjoyment. It is also a good thing on the D's part to make sure His/Her sub/slave understands this as well.

It has been known to become a mixed signal, and not good to mix what One does for enjoyment , with what One does for punishment. Finding what the sub/slave less likes but is not a hard limit can be something to use as punishment.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 4:29:59 PM   
subbiejenn


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Status: offline 		Mmmmmmmm i love a good flogging so not good discipline for me -- if that were given out for discipline i would always be trying to get into trouble. I love wooden paddles too :)

Best discipline for me is more mental stuff i think -- i get real upset when i have upset the Dom -- i lack in patience also so being made to stand in the corner or something corny would be harder on me then something physical. Standing there thinking, waiting... *blah* -- Oh my or keep me out of forum a couple days, i would go thru withdrawals! The point of discipline is to learn from it, learn what was done wrong so what could be better then to tell me what I did wrong then make me think about it. I could see my last Dom tying me up (uncomfortable) and leave me there while He goes to watch T.V. or something.

i think it varies from each couple on what works best for them and i think whatever is used for discipline should be something never used for pleasure.

JMO

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/12/2004 10:50:10 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		I would never use a flogger for punishment. I don't want my slave to enjoy her punishment

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/13/2004 4:21:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The flogger has never been "uncomfortable" enough for me to consider it punishment. It just feels too good...grinsssssssss

I consider it as relaxing as being fondled - and like Sub4hire said...similar to a good massage.




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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/13/2004 10:11:46 AM   
DiamondDiva


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Status: offline 		Well, actually it depends on how you look at it. Yes, a flogger feels good but it incites arousal {it can} and if you are one to deny orgasmic activity then the very same pleasure will now create a subtle punishment.



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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/13/2004 4:30:59 PM   
ShadeDiva


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Status: offline 		Punishment = equals something they don't like.

I have found that most people hate repetition, and that sentences can be a wonderful tool for sending a message home.

Sometimes essays are useful for those that don't hate repetition - tell what you did, why it wasn't a good thing to do, why it displeased me, why you should have not done it, and what you could do to prevent it in the future.

If they are someone I can see face to face, I have them read it out loud to me, sort of as an affirmation, and then I will take the paper and grade and edit it, red pen and all. *smile* Spelling counts, so does penmanship.

Then I will determine from the sincerity of what was written, the effort that was taken, and the honesty that was shown and decide if they need something further to cement the lesson into their pysche.

Often that might entail community service - they might as well do something that benefits the community in which they live, such as picking up garbage in a littered area while I watch, or if it is a supervised event, then I might not watch, but then get in contact with the person running it and ask how they did, what their attitude was, and what they contributed.

Punishments I think should involve the dominant using their brains, and finding ways to turn it into a positive growing experience that will be a part of their training, rather than a knee-jerk reaction without a goal and a purpose other than expressing one's dissatisfaction. They ought to at the end, IMO, come away from the experience, sad that they warrented it, but proud that they learned something, and grew from it, and proud in how they got past their mistake.

JMO.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/13/2004 6:34:44 PM   
subbiejenn


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Status: offline 		Very nicely said ShadeDiva

*agrees*


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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/13/2004 8:15:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiamondDiva
I am just curious as to whether people use their floggers more for discipline or just for scene play? I have read various articles regarding the history of the flogger and why it is used but I want to know what REAL people think.


I don't use floggers all that much because I prefer instruments of precisions such as crops, canes, straps, paddles, tawses and more recently signal whips. But that is a personal preference.

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva
Punishment = equals something they don't like.


Exactly. And many like the flogging as it is massage like.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/13/2004 8:51:11 PM   
Kinkypupper


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Status: offline 		My experiance howbit it is limited is that the flogger is a "toy" not a instrument of punnishment. The best instrument of punnishment is a dark room cuffed and chained and allowing the person time to sit and contemplate their wrongs..

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 10/14/2004 5:22:55 AM   
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quote:

The flogger has never been "uncomfortable" enough for me to consider it punishment. It just feels too good...grinsssssssss

I consider it as relaxing as being fondled - and like Sub4hire said...similar to a good massage.


While i would have to agree. In my earlier post i stated i loved Floggers...and i DO! I can not imagine that Thorns would ever use a Flogger for punishment....BUT! while i was reading these posts and thinking about it....i came up with what my earlier reply was.
Intent behind the User.

Take a Flogger...perhaps a Buffalo Hide one...yeah, i thrive on that thud....having Him beat me with it (now alot of you would say...YUM!).........BUT!....during that beating....He says: you have disappointed Me girl. For me...all He would have to do is SAY that and i would crumble....but to add something that i truly enjoy to the mix...make 'me' think twice.
The Intent behind it is a powerfull tool.
(and yes, this is just an example of how i would feel if one was used)

Hope y'all have a great day...it's almost the weekend. YAY!

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 11/24/2004 2:22:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		DiamondDiva:

i think that a flogger can be both discipline or punishment. In my experiences, it has to do with intent and the mindplay. If i am being flogged for being a good slave then the pain isn't really pain, but i have done something that either Master or Mistress deems inappropriate then either flogger or leather paddle, the pain is different somehow. Hope this helps.

CyberDiva





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I am just curious as to whether people use their floggers more for discipline or just for scene play? I have read various articles regarding the history of the flogger and why it is used but I want to know what REAL people think.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 11/24/2004 2:35:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I enjoy flogging, and paddling too, so neither work well as discipline tools for me. However caning I do not enjoy and I attempt to avoid making My Lord use the cane for some infraction on my part. If however floggers are something you personally do not enjoy then yes a flogging could be a good disciplinary tool for your Master/Mistress to use on you.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 11/24/2004 2:39:56 PM   
INSIDEYOURMIND


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Status: offline 		Punishment while rare with my sub is carried out exclusively by a particular belt I own, my sub cringes at the sight of it, and understands its place. It is a braided leather belt, and it leaves wonderful marks!

I agree, punishment should never be an enjoyable pleasure, it would be too tempting for the sub to misbehave.

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RE: Flogger...Discipline or Other? - 11/24/2004 2:48:04 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		At last count I had 17 different floggers made from a variety of materials, different lengths, and with varying effectiveness. Just bought my last one Saturday. It was a beautiful black heavy leather with 24 falls. Based upon beth's reaction and the next days marks, it made quite an impression.

As most have responded a flogger can be for discipline or fun. It depends on the flogger and the person behind it. And any one can be both interchangeable between swings.

But speaking of disciplinary usage of 'toys', my philosophy is to have one item in my collection exclusively for discipline. I happen to use a cane, a particularly heavy cane when there is need to discipline. I think it makes the process clearer, especially for someone like beth who derives a lot of pleasure from my floggers and other toys. The cane hangs from a hook in our bedroom - always there to see, although really not used very often. I have other canes, but only use this one as part of the discipline process.

By the way, the flogger has an interesting history. It is the ONLY lifestyle toy that was implicitly designed for use on humans.

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