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Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:03:45 AM   
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Freedom in the 50 States

This study comprehensively ranks the American states on their public policies that affect individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres.



The state by state ordered ranking is at the link. Comparisons to state by state rankings on other measures would seem to have some potential for discussion.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:11:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup,the states with the least taxes,services and bureaucracy tend to be "free-er".

But also some of the poorest,least educated and take in more federal dollars than they pay in,ie federal-welfare-to-states.

Strange tho,cons used to call Clinton a liberal governor but he had the lowest taxes/services of any state in the nation,ei. republican wet-dream.




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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:14:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is to discuss? I can imagine these categories were based on taxes and on firearm laws, and things like "transfats" and recycling laws

I live in one of your "least free" states, it is also the most populated. You have to control lots of people that live together because people are often inconsiderate and stupid assholes. They will do things like burn stuff that emits toxic fumes in their backyard. They will start their fireplaces on bad air days, making it exponentially worse for those who suffer from asthma. They will fire guns off into the air in a densely populated area and kill people. They will do things like hoard shit until it becomes a pest hazard for the neighborhood. Because of the dumber-than-rocks people in my state, and the assholes that think it is okay to annoy people because they are selfish pricks, we have had to legislate common fucking sense.

And the link said something about "transfats".... in California the government has said no transfats... they see this as the government making me less free, how come I feel MORE free that I can go and buy food without worrying it will poison me? And then there is the calorie count on restaurant food, how can I be less free by having more information?

I find the chart even more laughable than the violent states one.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:15:38 AM   
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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:23:07 AM   
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I can't imagine how such a thing is determined in any realistic way.

I've been to around 40 states, and I've lived in four of them long term, three of them short term. Without question, I prefer where I am right now. Elsewhere, I miss the services. I can adapt, sure, but home is right here, to the point that if some crazy circumstances forced me to choose between state and country, I'd choose state (yes, even with our dysfunctional legislature).

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:23:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don`t think Jersey`s gun laws are to strict.If that`s one of the criteria.

I want LEO`s to know who the nutters,wife-beaters and possible terrorists are.

Not one of those,then you can have 15 pistols for all I care

I like that we have building codes too, even though I`m in the trades.They protect people`s lives and property and investments.Building inspectors are some of the best consumer protection our tax dollars buy.



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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:25:15 AM   
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I can't imagine how such a thing is determined in any realistic way.

Without commenting on how "realistic" someone might find them to be, here are the factors and weights:



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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:27:29 AM   
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Yup,the states with the least taxes,services and bureaucracy tend to be "free-er". But also some of the poorest,least educated and take in more federal dollars than they pay in,ie federal-welfare-to-states.

Could you at least experiment with the concept of backing up the things you say?

Just for fun?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:38:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Man, god must hate me. Why oh why was I born to this hell hole state known as Illinois, the launching point of Obama, and the location of the dumbest city ever to grace the earth "Chicago" (hey, they elected rahm emanuel). The democrats jack up taxes then pay off big corps, and that is why I don't take any of the democrat nonsense about being for the little guy, they are for keeping you broke on welfare, or keeping the rich, rich, and beating the middle into the ground. (Maybe, demos are different in other states, I don't know). Oh, and funding the bloated state pension fund. That's all they care about.

This state SUCKS!!!!, I hate it.

And yes I'll eventually be leaving to one of a few far superior states, and all of those are much lighter blue than this state, eventually.

And that date is wholly to be determined by financial factors, maybe sooner maybe later, but I will escape from fascist Illinois. I might have to pay off one of the border guards by the time I can do it, or tunnel under the border, after escaping from Rahm/Quinns work camps. LOL. But I will be FREEEE.





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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:54:18 AM   
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the link said something about "transfats".... in California the government has said no transfats... they see this as the government making me less free, how come I feel MORE free that I can go and buy food without worrying it will poison me?

Hyperbole is your friend, eh?

Labeling is information. Laws against "poisons" that aren't are another matter.

Trans fats were developed during the backlash against saturated fat -- the artery-clogging animal fats found in butter, cream, and meats. Then food manufacturers realized that trans fats lasted longer than butter without going rancid. The result: Today trans fats are found in 40% of the products on your supermarket shelves.

"We used to use animal fats, and people said, 'saturated fats are bad,' so we switched to trans fats," says Ruth Kava, PhD, RD, director of nutrition at the New York City-based American Council on Science and Health. "This kind of gives us an unfortunate focus on ingredients rather than the whole diet when the problem isn't this fat or that fat, it's too many calories."

"Anything was good if it decreased saturated fat consumption in the 1950s through the 1980s," agrees Alice H. Lichtenstein, Dsc, professor of nutrition at Tufts University in Boston. "But then studies began to question trans fats," too. Finally, in the 1990s, the evidence became clear: When vegetable oil is turned into a solid, like butter, it acts like butter inside the body...

"Trans fats raise (bad) LDL cholesterol levels slightly less than do saturated fats," says Lichtenstein. "But saturated fats also raise levels of high density lipoprotein (HDL) or 'good' cholesterol, and trans fatty acids don't." Trans fats may actually lower HDL. Thus, some researchers say trans fats are worse. Lichtenstein, however, figures the two fats probably cause equal harm in our diets because we eat far more saturated fat than trans fats.

Reference: WebMD

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:56:30 AM   
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mono
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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 7:56:50 AM   
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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:03:12 AM   
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Let me put it another way, my mom sees a cardiologist who has told her "no transfats". I think I should send her your information and tell her that her specialist is wrong, and that you are right. Her cardiologist is just full of "hyperbole"


Keep your "freedom".


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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:08:07 AM   
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Let me put it another way, my mom sees a cardiologist who has told her "no transfats". I think I should send her your information and tell her that her specialist is wrong, and that you are right...

Keep your "freedom".

Yanno, if you can't read a label you can always ask. Chances are you two aren't the only people in the world...

Which is a thought some of those other people (you know, "them") might appreciate you keeping in mind now and then.

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:09:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did anyone bother reading the criteria? These "researchers" decided that not getting a tax deduction for sending a child to private school makes you less free.

I knew the name was familiar, Mercatus Center, source of this nonsense, is a libertarian think tank funded by the Koch brothers.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mercatus_Center

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:16:41 AM   
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Mercatus Center, source of this nonsense, is a libertarian think tank funded by the Koch brothers.

Jeeez, now libertarians are shit too?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:17:07 AM   
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Let me put it another way, my mom sees a cardiologist who has told her "no transfats". I think I should send her your information and tell her that her specialist is wrong, and that you are right...

Keep your "freedom".

Yanno, if you can't read a label you can always ask. Chances are you two aren't the only people in the world...

Which is a thought some of those other people (you know, "them") might appreciate you keeping in mind now and then.

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Yanno, people that live in a state aggregately decide what they want and what they do not... it is a little thing called "states rights" which conservatives only seem to appreciate when it gives them license to do whatever the fuck they like. It also means that states have a right to restrict certain things that are harmful

I am think that those who feel restricted by our laws should just get the fuck out. We have too many people here as it is, the whiners won't be missed


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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:21:35 AM   
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If you can smoke in bars, carry a gun, pay moderate taxes, and gamble...I guess you are FREE!... I can go with that

Is carrying a gun in a bar where you're gambling really that good a combination?

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:22:56 AM   
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I am think that those who feel restricted by our laws should just get the fuck out. We have too many people here as it is, the whiners won't be missed

Charming. Lovely. Right up there with, "America, Love it or Leave it".

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RE: Freedom in the 50 States - 6/16/2011 8:24:07 AM   
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Is carrying a gun in a bar where you're gambling really that good a combination?

You forget, we have a population problem.

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