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Ron Paul has introduced federal anti abortion bills that would make all abortions murder.

The bill you referenced finds "a significant likelihood that actual human life exists from conception" and therefore "recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State."

Accordingly, it reserves to the states the right to prohibit, limit, or regulate the performance of abortions and/or the provision of public assistance for the performance of abortions without right of review by the Supreme Court.

It does not require that the states do so. It does not make abortion a federal offense. And the word "murder" is nowhere in the bill.

Thank you for your time.

K.

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human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency;

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

The Reps were hijacked long ago by extreme christians, and the anti-abortion part of the platform was inserted because of them.The faster any political group can distance themselves from religious zealots, the better off they will be.

As far as this specific action by Romney, I would have to look at various factors of how it may help him become more electable, rather than it just being good ethics. Anyone that is a career politician, does not have good ethics.

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All states already have a law against one human ending another human life intentionally so the states would have no choice in the matter.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being.

If the states choose not to outlaw abortion, then it isn't unlawful and it isn't murder.

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There are only a few legal exceptions to murder, self defence being the most common, abortion could not be made one because of the 14th amendment since it would deny a specific class of persons equal protection under the law.

As usual, you respond by simply presenting an unsupported statement as fact.

What is a "class of persons"? If the "unborn" are construed to be a class of persons, then the "born" must necessarily also be a class of persons. And that is not how the law is interpreted. The law interprets a "class of persons" as a particular sub-group of persons (and presumably would continue do so whether they were born or not), i.e., gays, blacks, etc. For example, it would most certainly be illegal to prohibit only the abortion of white unborns. But there does not appear to me to be a failure of equal protection in allowing abortion generally, or restricting it generally, or prohibiting it generally.

So, of course, I'm afraid you will just have to back up your claim.

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If the law is changed such that a legal person is a fetus at any point after conception then the unborn are legally a class, as they are identifiable, and they get 14th amendment rights just like everyone else. No law had to be passed defining white or black or any other class in order for that class to be protected by teh 14th.

More of the same unsupported bullshit. Do you fucking not even know what means to "support" your claims?

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.

Thus, to repeat myself, it would most certainly be illegal to prohibit, for example, only the abortion of white unborns. But there does not appear to be any failure of equal protection in allowing abortion generally, or restricting it generally, or prohibiting it generally.

Reference: Cornell University Law School

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You are simply ignoring the fact that if this law was to be passed then human embryos would be legally fully people and it is simply illegal to kill a human being.

It is not "simply illegal to kill a human being," and you are just lucky you don't have to eat all the shit you post.

K.

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Ron Paul has introduced federal anti abortion bills that would make all abortions murder.

The bill you referenced finds "a significant likelihood that actual human life exists from conception" and therefore "recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State."

Accordingly, it reserves to the states the right to prohibit, limit, or regulate the performance of abortions and/or the provision of public assistance for the performance of abortions without right of review by the Supreme Court.

It does not require that the states do so. It does not make abortion a federal offense. And the word "murder" is nowhere in the bill.

Thank you for your time.

K.

No it does not.

What the bill states is

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human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency;

All states already have a law against one human ending another human life intentionally so the states would have no choice in the matter. For a state to declare a class of person it was legal to kill would be a clear violation of the 14th amendment.

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The hypothesis that "life shall be deemed to exist from conception" is an unconstitutional infringement of my religious rights, since MY RELIGION says "Life Begins At Quickening"...

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Black Abortion: Breaking the Silence

The anti-abortionists argue that since blacks make up only 13 percent of the population but are responsible for 37 percent of all abortions, there must be a conspiracy.

That is one of many myths within their arguments. First of all, to say abortion is genocide is a misconception. Access to abortion actually saved lives in black communities, where illegal abortion was a leading cause of death before Roe v. Wade. Equating abortion to genocide ignores the real destruction occurring in our communities -- imprisonment, poverty, unemployment and health disparities. Instead, it equates the reproduction of a community to its value.

Our communities need to be concerned about the institutional racism, not about taking away women’s rights to self-determination. Institutional racism is the foundation of many problems that impact blacks at disproportionate rates. For example, 35.9 percent of blacks under the age of 18 live in poverty; the infant mortality rate for blacks is 13.63 out of 1,000 live births, compared to the national average of 6.86, and 40 percent of the incarcerated population is black. According to The Sentencing Project, “A black male born in 2001 has a 32 percent chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.”