juliaoceania
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You seem to be arguing that there is some "higher" plane or other claptrap involved. There isn't. We may still be in the early stages of understanding the brain but we can already use various interventions to change the functioning of what you call consciousness. To argue otherwise is to ignore the evidence.
Altering human consciousness does not mean it does not exist... in other words, brain function and consciousness being related to each other does not mean anything but that the human brain is a structure that houses the observer.
So what is an observer, is it consciousness? Who can be considered a conscious observer? None of these things have been answered yet. I have a hard time thinking that you are nearly as smart as a quantum physics theorists, yet you are so very definite in your assertions, which are really just opinions based upon what could very soon be an out-of-date model of the universe.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm
In a study reported in the February 26 issue of Nature (Vol. 391, pp. 871-874), researchers at the Weizmann Institute of Science have now conducted a highly controlled experiment demonstrating how a beam of electrons is affected by the act of being observed. The experiment revealed that the greater the amount of "watching," the greater the observer's influence on what actually takes place.
The research team headed by Prof. Mordehai Heiblum, included Ph.D. student Eyal Buks, Dr. Ralph Schuster, Dr. Diana Mahalu and Dr. Vladimir Umansky. The scientists, members of the Condensed Matter Physics Department, work at the Institute's Joseph H. and Belle R. Braun Center for Submicron Research.
When a quantum "observer" is watching Quantum mechanics states that particles can also behave as waves. This can be true for electrons at the submicron level, i.e., at distances measuring less than one micron, or one thousandth of a millimeter. When behaving as waves, they can simultaneously pass through several openings in a barrier and then meet again at the other side of the barrier. This "meeting" is known as interference.
Strange as it may sound, interference can only occur when no one is watching. Once an observer begins to watch the particles going through the openings, the picture changes dramatically: if a particle can be seen going through one opening, then it's clear it didn't go through another. In other words, when under observation, electrons are being "forced" to behave like particles and not like waves. Thus the mere act of observation affects the experimental findings.
To demonstrate this, Weizmann Institute researchers built a tiny device measuring less than one micron in size, which had a barrier with two openings. They then sent a current of electrons towards the barrier. The "observer" in this experiment wasn't human. Institute scientists used for this purpose a tiny but sophisticated electronic detector that can spot passing electrons. The quantum "observer's" capacity to detect electrons could be altered by changing its electrical conductivity, or the strength of the current passing through it
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