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Phoenixpower -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (6/30/2011 11:08:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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Since you are the one in charge, do yourself a favor. Hire a maid. Problem solved.


I agree with the maid but want to address the cost. Any allowances given to the kids ENDS when the maid is hired. Their allowances are paying the bill. This also goes for any extras the kids might ask you to purchase for them.



Very well said...when sometimes our teenager kids tried to moan about the food which has been cooked by us (which wasn't as the food was bad but simply to try to show how "strong" they are to dare to cause a stir against staff) we offered them as alternative to buy the food from the restaurant in that same village, as they do home delivery...that regularly stopped them daring to moan as they knew the food is far worse, they have no influence about what food they get and there will be no spare cash left for desserts...




angelikaJ -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (6/30/2011 4:47:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arturas



But opening the house up is Ok! I have a good house I'm proud of that has it's share of problems but none we cannot handle together, given time. You know, tam feels she is not doing enough because of her acute illness that frankly disables her at times. Fibro tends to knock people down and depress them and make them unequal to some tasks and she wanted to share that with everyone and get some thoughts from those who suffer the same illness and probably have the same issues with their children and feelings of not being as good as they once were in all aspects of their lives including raising children. I see she has receive some of that and I personally thank those who offered well meaning advice to her.

I assure you I do back Tammy up rather than not take any interest and do my share of the household chores but I do not take direct disciplinary action with her children but back her up or suggest actions to her especially in the area of being consistant. If tammy took anything away from this exchange today it was to be consistant with her children. She also tends to be a 'tree hugger' in trying to plead with the kids and talk to them rather than enforcing her rules and that does not work well. This will take time to change her.


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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I have severe fibromyalgia, I go to school full time, and I live in a house that we now have 6 living in. When I wasnt in school I was able to manage the rest, but now it is overwhelming. I need a neat, tidy and organized home, but I cannot do it alone, it is causing major stress along with severe flare ups with the fibro. I am a student at heart and cannot imagine not being there, in fact I get rather depressed when not in classes. But coming home with the house a mess, homework to do and pain from the roots of my hair to the bottom of my feet, well it is overwhelming. Master feels the same way about the house, when he comes home he expects it to be emaculant, I dont blame him, it is his home, he has worked hard for. Before I started back to school i asked everyone if they would help out, they all agreed but now, well not so much. MAJOR STRESS! Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

Peace Love And Harmony
Tammystar


Arturas,

I am wondering if either there was an instance of frustration on your part that led Tammy to believe that what she is doing isn't enough or is it that she has higher expectations of herself than you do... because from these 2 posts it doesn't seem like it is really about the same couple.

The suggestions that Oldhen made are excellent.

It would be in the best interest of the peace of the family that those guidelines are followed.

As for this statement (I am not sure who orginally wrote it): I have spent far too long feeling sorry for the kids who lost their father if that is an issue within the house, that is the loss of their dad, then perhaps they need some professional help in dealing with that loss.

Grieving children (whether by death or divorce) who are finding it hard to move on, may cause disruptions because they are pissed off at the loss of parent.
Anger is a part of the grieving process and that anger has to go somewhere. So, if they are stuck then perhaps they need help in becoming unstuck. A children's therapist who has experience with loss is the best way to handle that.

However, they will always feel that loss. What they need to do is learn to cope with it.




Aylee -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 5:35:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Sunny
Quote of the Day
goes to
Aylee
[sm=wife.gif]
for
Women do not have some sort of secret super power in raising children
and men are just as capable of doing so.
For goodness sake,
they do not give you a cape
and the letter "M" on your chest
after the delivery.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3742544/mpage_9/tm.htm#3746430





YAY! I said something pithy!




wandersalone -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 7:26:39 AM)

Ok I have read every post on here and like some others I did think about not posting here given the dramas that seem to follow posts by both Tammy and Artie however I have some suggestions based upon having many clients come to me with very similar problems.  Do with it what you will. [:)]

Tammy, you do not need to stand over your kids, or raise your voice to them or nag them to get their chores done.  In fact, it is the exact opposite.

Sit your two down and lay out the ground rules.  Let them know that from this moment this is how things are going to be.

Don't talk down to them, don't say they have to do these things because you are the mum and say so, don't raise your voice and don't get angry or frustrated or upset.

Instead clearly explain -
your expectations eg. when you come home from school you will not be able to turn on the tv, computer, talk on the phone until you have - a) unpacked your school bag, b)changed your clothes, c)hung your uniform up and d)finished your homework.

If you need to, say that you will hang on to their phone, computer, unplug the tv until these things are completed each day.

When they come home from school, collect their phone, computer etc if need be and then go back to doing your own thing.  If they want to cry, argue, scream etc - put them in their bedroom - again ensuring they have no access to a tv, phone or computer.

Don't argue, yell or apologise when doing this, simply remind them of the rules and let them know they will be staying in their room until their bag is unpacked, their uniform is hung up and their homework is completed.

If not don't complete these things before dinner they stay in the room and miss a meal.  They won't die from not having dinner.

Consistency is the key to good parenting.

Clear guidelines and rules

Clear cause and effect - eg. homework not done, no tv.

Calm, controlled voice and behaviour from you.

Praise them when they do as required (you are not asking or requesting, these are requirements from now on).

This all needs to be backed up by Artie as well.  The kids need to see that you both support each other in these expectations.

His daughter and boyfriend need something similar.  why are they doing yard work when there is the housework to be done and no one to do it?  I would rather have the house vacuumed rather than the lawn mowed, wouldn't you?

Dishes - someone washes, someone dries and someone puts away. 

Bed - has to be made before they leave for school or they are docked an hour of tv/computer that afternoon/evening.  Don't remind them in the morning to make their bed, simply take away their tv/computer privilege when they get home from school.  Running to make their bed in the afternoon as soon as they realise you are serious does not mean you relent and forget about the consequence.

The funny thing about kids is that they actually thrive with firm boundaries.  It is a way for them to feel secure and cared for.  Otherwise they become the parents in effect and they have you running around doing all of the work.

So it is time to take responsibility and to stop making excuses or playing the martyr. It is time to be a parent.

Blending families is difficult, the key is a united from from both of you to ALL four of the young people, calm, consistent behaviour and clear cause and effects. You absolutely have to change yourself first before you can hope they will change.

And both of you, stop making excuses for the kids, all of them should be doing a lot more than they are.

I hope it all works out.




GreedyTop -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 7:31:23 AM)

I love you, Wanders :)




wandersalone -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 7:33:55 AM)

smiles...I love you too GT.  I am using a postcard you sent me as a book mark at the moment so you have been in my thoughts a lot xx




GreedyTop -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 7:36:41 AM)

love as always to you and the family....
(mom's ex roomie that helped me move tried to get me to toss postcards.. *snort*.. as IF)




Aileen1968 -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 7:47:36 AM)

*fast reply*
After reading all of this...I'm kinda in the same boat of trying to blend two families.
My girls know that the rules of me house are to be followed.
The rules of my house happen to be Shorey's rules.
They follow them.
Just as I would expect them to follow the rules of my ex's house and his girlfriend's house when they're there..
My ex knows that my girls spend time with Shore and knows that they are to follow his rules.
He's fine with that.
The sticky part comes with the discipline part. Shorey doesn't discipline my girls, but he does expect me to. Which I do.
If they make a mess, they're expected to clean it up. If they have chores, they're expected to do them. It doesn't matter which house they happen to be in.
It's made clear that when they are at Shore's house they follow those rules too.
There has to be consistency in all houses.
It really isn't that difficult.




LaTigresse -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 9:14:04 AM)

No it isn't.




thishereboi -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 9:42:16 AM)

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I let her boyfriend live here because she would stay with him out on the street homeless selling blood for money if I had not and I love my daughter.


If you love your daughter, maybe it is time to teach her to be a responsible adult. You won't be around forever to take care of her.

and if this part is true

quote:

She is here two to four days a week and the other time with her mother and she does help out and does cook much of the time she is here.


Then why did you say she would be living on the street if you hadn't taken her in?




thishereboi -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 9:49:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Don't make me cry. I'm a wall, right? I can do it all.



No you can't. And you shouldn't have to. I think that is what most people are trying to say to you.




thishereboi -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/1/2011 9:56:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Now, anyone except Greedy, what woman turns over responsibility of her kids to the man she lives with? Anyone.


I do. And what of it?



I think it's a good sign. Why would you live with a man if you can't trust him with your kids?




tammystarm -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/3/2011 12:58:55 PM)

Yes wanders (and so many) your right. Just sometimes the easiest things to do seem to hard to reach, when your body is fading on you, and your mentally and emotionally exhausted. I had some time, finally!, and i sat tdown the rules, i still have one laptop and one cell phone, and a game system in my possesion. Your all right, no its not rocket science, just sometimes feels that way. Guilt on my part, for having the damn FMS and working so much at school. I come home and all i need is bed. Im working on going back to a nutritionist and other alternative modalities for this, instead of the stupid drugs all the time, i hate them.
Thanks all once again and happy forth!



PS didnt mean to dig up an old worn out subject, just wanted to thank everyone.
star




Arturas -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/3/2011 5:21:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas
Now, anyone except Greedy, what woman turns over responsibility of her kids to the man she lives with? Anyone.


I do. And what of it?



I think it's a good sign. Why would you live with a man if you can't trust him with your kids?



I agree but consider that trusting in someone with something or your children is not the same as turning over responsiblity for your children. For one, trusting in someone with your children is a temporary state where responsiblity is a permanent state until the children are 18 in the U.S. I'm very sure one should trust someone before turning over responsiblity but having trust does not mean one should or would turn over responsiblity for something as important as their kids.

Now, before continuing I want to make sure we are talking the same thing. According to Webster, trust is the ASSURED RELIANCE on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something and in which confidence is placed. However, responsiblity is moral, legal or mental ACCOUNTABILITY.

So, trust is reliance and confidence in leaving kids with someone temporarily whereas responsiblity in this case is a permanent accountability and no mother will relinquish accountablity for her children. Continuing, Tam has trust in me with her kids but she does not relinquish responsibility and if she did so she would by definition be irresponsible or lacking any sense of responsibility.

Concluding, the comments earlier relating to trust in place of responsibliity are misplaced and misapplied although I am sure you meant it well towards tam and especially myself.

Arturas




tazzygirl -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/3/2011 9:23:32 PM)

tammy, I am glad its working better for you. They will have good days.. and bad ones. Consistency is the key.

Good luck!




tammystarm -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/3/2011 9:55:46 PM)

thanks!




ShoreBound149 -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/4/2011 6:49:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

The sticky part comes with the discipline part. Shorey doesn't discipline my girls, but he does expect me to. Which I do.



I discipline the mom when the rug rats act out.

She gets pretty sticky.




AlwaysLisa -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/4/2011 7:58:05 AM)

I aplogize if this has been covered, I don't have the time to read each post right now....but I did skim.   I won't comment on the dynamics of the relationship, since honestly, I don't see it lasting.  However, as a parent, you both fail.   It's your job to prepare your offspring to fly solo....sort of like a bird in the nest.  I see all chicklets hitting the ground with a loud "thud".  

If your daughter, Art, wants to play house, what values are you teaching her?  Are they both working, and if not, why?   Your showing her that hanging with deadbeat men is just fine and dandy, she is gaining no self worth or abilities to take care of herself, unless you count threats of running away as being self reliant.   She is learning how to manipulate, you must be proud.   They have shelters made for such a thing, let her find out what it's really like to be self supportive, she just might learn a thing or two.






Arturas -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/4/2011 2:28:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa

I aplogize if this has been covered, I don't have the time to read each post right now....but I did skim.   I won't comment on the dynamics of the relationship, since honestly, I don't see it lasting.  However, as a parent, you both fail.   It's your job to prepare your offspring to fly solo....sort of like a bird in the nest.  I see all chicklets hitting the ground with a loud "thud".  

If your daughter, Art, wants to play house, what values are you teaching her?  Are they both working, and if not, why?   Your showing her that hanging with deadbeat men is just fine and dandy, she is gaining no self worth or abilities to take care of herself, unless you count threats of running away as being self reliant.   She is learning how to manipulate, you must be proud.   They have shelters made for such a thing, let her find out what it's really like to be self supportive, she just might learn a thing or two.





Let's see if I have this right.

1) You don't see a three plus year relationship lasting.
2) You skimmed only but have decided we both fail as parents.
3) You say my 22 year old daughter is playing house because she has no house of her own yet or is not married or something?
4) You say I am not teaching my 22 year old daughter values because she has no house of her own yet or is not married or something.
5) You say I taught her to manipulate because I let her live her with her boyfriend of two years knowing she would live on the street with him if I did not?
6) You say she threatened to live on the street (and therefore manupulated me) even though she did not do that and it's not written anywhere here that she did.
7) You say her boyfriend of two years is a deadbeat even though he is working all the hours they give him at a difficult and physical job at least four days a week while still tryng to save money for a place of their own in an economy when having any job and keeping it means you are doing very good.


It's always a pleasure to see you post. Thanks for the input.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/4/2011 4:43:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Consistency is the key.


QFT [:)]

The kids I worked with came to my work places due to being too difficult at school these days....once they knew the rules and knew we don't step down and mean what we say, their behaviour usually improved soon...as someone mentioned before already...they do thrive on boundaries and guidelines and IMO its the fucking job of parents to provide them.




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