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LaTigresse -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:32:04 AM)

Yeah........but it will take something heavier than a clue by four.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:33:16 AM)

sweet fucking jesus sucking on mary's tits, stop being such a useless fucking excuse for a woman. personally i don't believe a fucking word of what you've said, it doesn't make a bit of difference what advice you're given, you have a fucking stupid assed excuse why it just isn't so.

you say you're real fucking sick with fibro, lupus, migraines, somebody suggested diabetes, and who the fuck knows what else, well then what the fuck are you doing up out of bed? why the fuck aren't you under a doctor's care?

you claim you have a master, some moron has even posted here claiming to be such. fat fucking chance of me buying that! whoever this fuck is, he sure as piss ain't purple isn't a master. a master is supposed to be responsible for the well being of a slave isn't he? that's what i always fucking thought, but who knows, maybe that's just some weird canadian thing. if he is a master, then why the fuck has he allowed this shit?
- why did he allow you to over extend yourself?
- why did he not make sure you had proper fucking medical treatment?
- why the fuck did he not make sure that all members of the fucking household did their part to relieve you of duties you are unable to fulfill?
- why did he allow his home to collapse into such fucking chaos?
- why did he allow you to post your dirty fucking laundry on a public forum?
- why did he come on here and try to justify himself to us rather than just stepping up and fixing the shit?

whoever your make-believe master is, he's a twat, so just get the fuck away from him. that means you go to a shelter? tough shit, go to a shelter.

personally i don't give a flying fuck what happens to you, like i said, i think your full of shit, the both of you, you're just lying through your teeth for kicks. either do something about this supposed mess or fuck off. its well into 2 weeks now and all that's been accomplished is you have to get rid of your cats??? what the fuck? i mean really, what the fucking fuck?

what the fucking fuck!!!??!




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:35:11 AM)

My love for Hannah grows exponentially.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:35:31 AM)

Tammy, as someone who is ill and dealing with a lot I do understand a great deal.

Let me guess.  You have probably spent most of your life with a submissive nature - doing for others is how you found your sense of self.   For most of their life, being done for by mom, is probably how most of your family has grown up believing it is how things are done. 

You consent to being a man's slave.  For a long time (3 years I think) he has had a slave doing what she is told.  This is what he expects as the norm.

Then your illness flares up.  At first, you still do what needs to be done, even though you are falling into bed dead exhausted and probably in tears from pain, but still with that sense of satisfaction and sense of self that has kept you going all these years. 

Unfortunately, while your disease may be chronic but supposedly not degenerative, time and age take their toll.  It gets harder and harder to push through the pain and the fatigue and do what needs to be done.  Also, unfortunately, your family has been raised on a certain 'paradigm' and that paradigm has shifted to an entirely new reality.  Since they are NEVER really going to understand how you really feel, you have to begin to start showing them consistently the reality of what it is to be ILL.

When you say you can't do something because you are too tired, then go to bed and sleep and do not do anything.  Because when you say you are too tired, in too much pain, but you push through it and do it anyway - the message you are presenting is that you CAN do it and they don't need to take you seriously. 

Of course, people will fall back on what they have been taught to believe is normal and expected.  It takes TIME and consistency to remodel a paradigm. Ideally, you and Art should be on the same page and have a plan to do this that you can agree on.

I know you want people to understand.  You want the people you have taken care of and catered to, to be the people who care enough to want to take care of YOU now, and help you out some.  I'm sorry this isn't the case. 

It takes time, patience and consistency to retrain someone and sadly - spoiled brats (especially the grown adult ones) aren't always going to come around and be generous in nature. 

I feel for you, and I empathize with your situation.  I hope venting here on the boards helps you some.  Maybe someone, somewhere, somehow will give you some small piece of advice or Art will glean some small wisdom in all this. 







zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:36:05 AM)

quote:

Why is getting rid of cats abusive?


Why? Because in this case it's being done as a punishment.




Kirata -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:37:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

i see it as these are my rules and you will follow them

I just want to get this straight, yanno? Help me out here. You said...

where does that leave you , when you have no family no money nothing  (post# 454) i have to get this degree so i can work and not live off of 850 a month IF i lose everything  (post# 468)

So unh, you have $850/month income and you're broke, izzat right?

Lemme see if I can guess one of his rules.

Hold on, gimmie a minute to think...

K.




LadyPact -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:37:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

quote:

Why is getting rid of cats abusive?


Why? Because in this case it's being done as a punishment.


Sorry.  Nope.  It's a consequence. 

Am I the only parent on this thread who has ever told a kid that if they don't take care of a pet they won't have it anymore?




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:41:36 AM)

They aren't the kids' pets, are they? And they are being taken care of, I suspect.





zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:51:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

My love for Hannah grows exponentially.


I agree completely, I think I'm in love! [sm=hearts.gif]




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:52:50 AM)

OP, you said "No I have been in some form of higher education since 92 so stopping now would only be a temporary thing. School is the one place I can go and belong."

That is close to 20 years.  Why the perpetual student thing?  If you have been in higher ed since 1992, and you don't yet have a degree or career training from it, why keep going?  Since you are not contributing financially, apparently, and that is not expected, why not just stay home and deal with these other issues?  Sounds like going to school, with no particular end in mind, except going and belonging, is the logical thing to cut if you feel overwhelmed.




LadyPact -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:57:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

They aren't the kids' pets, are they? And they are being taken care of, I suspect.

Well, here's how I see it.

Angle one - We've got this household that can't manage, between six people, to get the dishes done.  If that same household (doesn't matter who is doing it) can manage to keep up with the maintenance of pet care, i.e., scooping litter boxes daily and/or the effort to keep the cat hair from the furniture (remember, the house is to be kept "immaculate"), we're talking about something that is unnecessary.  If there are no more cats, the time and effort that was going into the additional work of keeping the house up from those cats can be applied to other areas.

Angle Two - Supposedly, this shit is so bad that the alternative is going to a shelter.  Do you think the shelter is taking cats?

Angle Three - There's $850 a month to survive on if they move out.  If it were Me, food, shelter, and the necessities of life for My children would be coming first. 

Like it or not, that IS parenting. 




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 11:59:46 AM)

I have cats, horses, dogs and chickens.  If some MOTHERFUCKER I was involved with told me I had to get rid of any of my animals, he would be shown the door so fast, it would make his head spin.  When you take an animal into your home, you are accepting responsibility for them for the rest of their lives.  If this is his idea of punishment, if you have any ethics at all, tell him to kiss your ass.





tammystarm -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:03:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Tammy, as someone who is ill and dealing with a lot I do understand a great deal.

Let me guess.  You have probably spent most of your life with a submissive nature - doing for others is how you found your sense of self.   For most of their life, being done for by mom, is probably how most of your family has grown up believing it is how things are done. 

You consent to being a man's slave.  For a long time (3 years I think) he has had a slave doing what she is told.  This is what he expects as the norm.

Then your illness flares up.  At first, you still do what needs to be done, even though you are falling into bed dead exhausted and probably in tears from pain, but still with that sense of satisfaction and sense of self that has kept you going all these years. 

Unfortunately, while your disease may be chronic but supposedly not degenerative, time and age take their toll.  It gets harder and harder to push through the pain and the fatigue and do what needs to be done.  Also, unfortunately, your family has been raised on a certain 'paradigm' and that paradigm has shifted to an entirely new reality.  Since they are NEVER really going to understand how you really feel, you have to begin to start showing them consistently the reality of what it is to be ILL.

When you say you can't do something because you are too tired, then go to bed and sleep and do not do anything.  Because when you say you are too tired, in too much pain, but you push through it and do it anyway - the message you are presenting is that you CAN do it and they don't need to take you seriously. 

Of course, people will fall back on what they have been taught to believe is normal and expected.  It takes TIME and consistency to remodel a paradigm. Ideally, you and Art should be on the same page and have a plan to do this that you can agree on.

I know you want people to understand.  You want the people you have taken care of and catered to, to be the people who care enough to want to take care of YOU now, and help you out some.  I'm sorry this isn't the case. 

It takes time, patience and consistency to retrain someone and sadly - spoiled brats (especially the grown adult ones) aren't always going to come around and be generous in nature. 

I feel for you, and I empathize with your situation.  I hope venting here on the boards helps you some.  Maybe someone, somewhere, somehow will give you some small piece of advice or Art will glean some small wisdom in all this. 








thank you and THIS! this made me cry this is what ive been saying, this is what i needed to hear (and alot of what others have said). This is it. I have had it! All i wanted was someone who mutually love and respected me as a partner and to raise my family. Ive tried so freakin hard. But the game is up, and i cannot keep going on, and i dont care if there is a dish in the sink. Your right and i thank you from the bottom of my heart. Im done, ill live under a freaking bridge if i have to.... if there is no other alternative. I will no longer listen to the threats and screams and moans and cries of all the above because i am not perfect and i cant be. Thank you so so so so much! MY love to ya!!!




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:04:49 PM)

quote:

If you have been in higher ed since 1992, and you don't yet have a degree or career training from it, why keep going?


Apparently, she is going to become a Nurse Anaesthetist and then she'll be able to set her own hours. [8|]




Kirata -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:05:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

- why did he allow you to over extend yourself?
- why did he not make sure you had proper fucking medical treatment?
- why the fuck did he not make sure that all members of the fucking household did their part to relieve you of duties you are unable to fulfill?
- why did he allow his home to collapse into such fucking chaos?

Because he doesn't give a shit about her, her only use to him is to feed his narcissism.

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

- why did he allow you to post your dirty fucking laundry on a public forum?

Because to him, it's her problem.

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

- why did he come on here and try to justify himself to us rather than just stepping up and fixing the shit?

That's what narcissists do.

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

what the fuck? i mean really, what the fucking fuck?

Nicely put. [:D]

K.




tammystarm -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:08:25 PM)

and ps the ones of you and im not saying this to anyone in particular whove just come here not to give true advice but to pick and bully on me, Fuck you too! thanks im done.... windsome you have no idea thank you !!!!!!




Kirata -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:14:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2833779/mpage_1/tm.htm

I think the above thread is a bigger hoot than the "Tap, tap" thread!

Ahhh yes... that one is certainly a classic. Heh.

K.




GreedyTop -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:20:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

- why did he allow you to over extend yourself?
- why did he not make sure you had proper fucking medical treatment?
- why the fuck did he not make sure that all members of the fucking household did their part to relieve you of duties you are unable to fulfill?
- why did he allow his home to collapse into such fucking chaos?

Because he doesn't give a shit about her, her only use to him is to feed his narcissism.

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

- why did he allow you to post your dirty fucking laundry on a public forum?

Because to him, it's her problem.

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

- why did he come on here and try to justify himself to us rather than just stepping up and fixing the shit?

That's what narcissists do.

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

what the fuck? i mean really, what the fucking fuck?

Nicely put. [:D]

K.



Apparently, it is incredibly more satisfying to be a victim.




kalikshama -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:25:40 PM)

I am genuinely curious as to how you accomplished all this yesterday:

quote:

they dare say i didnt do anything yesterday! i got up made coffee for them took her to her meeting, came home did the dishes (unload and reload dishwasher) cleaned cabinets and door facings, wash laundry (admittedly yet to be folded) and cleaned the bathroom. that was before 10am then i went to my room and studied.. but i didnt do a thing! GRRRRR!


quote:

thinking i will start making a list of each and everything i do everyday and posting it on the refrigerator.... think theyd get the hint! nope doubt it. by the way in between postings i feed the dogs and cats, put away the clean dishes and put in the dirty dishes, swept the floor, cleaned my tub....and a few other things... yet i do nothing.


But today:

quote:

Now I get to get rid of the cats, for my punishment.


Punishment for what?




AlwaysLisa -> RE: Fibro, school, house of 6 (7/8/2011 12:35:25 PM)

After going back to read several of the posts by Art, then putting two and two together....(the whole cell phone snafu that I missed earlier), I am of the opinion that much of what was written, came from Tammy.   I started to call bull***t, when I did a count of the number of posts.   Pretty impressive amount of typing for someone in pain.   You also struggle with RA and Degenerative Disc Syndrome?   Thought I read that earlier in the show.  I could go back and find it, but lordy I hope it's not necessary.

I live with a man who has RA and DDS, typing is something he had to all but give up, switching to voice recognition software.   How are you managing?  Just think, with the energy spent here, you could have not only done the dishes, but cleaned the house.  






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