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jlf1961 -> Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 6:18:38 AM)

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Warming air from climate change isn't the only thing that will speed ice melting near the poles — so will the warming water beneath the ice, a new study points out.

Increased melting of ice in Greenland and parts of Antarctica has been reported as a consequence of global warming, potentially raising sea levels. But little attention has been paid to the impact of warmer water beneath the ice.

Now, Jianjun Yin of the University of Arizona and colleagues report the warming water could mean polar ice melting faster than had been expected. Their report was published Sunday in the journal Nature Geoscience.

While melting floating ice won't raise sea level, ice flowing into the sea from glaciers often reaches the bottom, and grounded ice melted by warm water around it can produce added water to the sea.

"Ocean warming is very important compared to atmospheric warming because water has a much larger heat capacity than air," Yin explained. "If you put an ice cube in a warm room, it will melt in several hours. But if you put an ice cube in a cup of warm water, it will disappear in just minutes."
Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought



Another fake science report concerning climate change? I am sure the conservatives on this board would have us believe that.




brainfreeze -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 7:40:59 AM)

Science has almost become a religion. We need to be wary of scientists anymore just as we would faith healers. The middle class has become the equivalent of honey bees. Work your ass off storing honey for your future and somebody comes along wearing a hazmat suit and blowing smoke in your hive and before you know it your honey and all the work that went into it is gone.




Sanity -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 7:47:07 AM)


Ya think that could be because the top global warming fanatics, er, "scientists", were caught committing fraud?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Another fake science report concerning climate change? I am sure the conservatives on this board would have us believe that.




Musicmystery -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 7:53:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: brainfreeze

Science has almost become a religion. We need to be wary of scientists anymore just as we would faith healers. The middle class has become the equivalent of honey bees. Work your ass off storing honey for your future and somebody comes along wearing a hazmat suit and blowing smoke in your hive and before you know it your honey and all the work that went into it is gone.

Let me get this straight...

Scientists are now stealing your stuff?




Louve00 -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 8:25:48 AM)

I think global warming and cooling has been happening all along.  Not since the beginning of life on earth, but since the earth has been here.  I used to think man "may be" contrubuting to it, but I've since come to believe, since it has been happening all along, if man makes any impact on global warming or cooling its minimal, if at all. 





DomKen -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:21:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Ya think that could be because the top global warming fanatics, er, "scientists", were caught committing fraud?

If that were true it might have a bearing on this paper. Fortunately it isn't the case.




Owner59 -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:23:40 AM)

Yeah,those Connecticut sized chunks of ice breaking off the shelf are frauds too.[8|]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:24:47 AM)

I always love it when a bunch of folks that couldn't pass a basic college chemistry class if their life depended on it "know" what is happening in the scientific community because they were told what to say by someone in the media who also has no knowledge but they get a great paycheck paid for by someone who does have the knowledge and a vested interest in the outcome.


Keep dancin' to that puppetmaster's tune Sanity. 




FirmhandKY -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:25:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Warming air from climate change isn't the only thing that will speed ice melting near the poles — so will the warming water beneath the ice, a new study points out.

Increased melting of ice in Greenland and parts of Antarctica has been reported as a consequence of global warming, potentially raising sea levels. But little attention has been paid to the impact of warmer water beneath the ice.

Now, Jianjun Yin of the University of Arizona and colleagues report the warming water could mean polar ice melting faster than had been expected. Their report was published Sunday in the journal Nature Geoscience.

While melting floating ice won't raise sea level, ice flowing into the sea from glaciers often reaches the bottom, and grounded ice melted by warm water around it can produce added water to the sea.

"Ocean warming is very important compared to atmospheric warming because water has a much larger heat capacity than air," Yin explained. "If you put an ice cube in a warm room, it will melt in several hours. But if you put an ice cube in a cup of warm water, it will disappear in just minutes."
Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought

Another fake science report concerning climate change? I am sure the conservatives on this board would have us believe that.

I have learned to never trust popular media reports about scientific studies and papers, as they are more interested in dumbing it down, and playing up the certainties (and playing to their own biases), rather than the uncertainties of the actual science.

But, even without reading the report, just the AP report you quoted, I found these words telling:

... potentially raising sea levels ...

... could mean polar ice melting faster ...
Firm




joether -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:28:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Louve00
I think global warming and cooling has been happening all along.  Not since the beginning of life on earth, but since the earth has been here.  I used to think man "may be" contrubuting to it, but I've since come to believe, since it has been happening all along, if man makes any impact on global warming or cooling its minimal, if at all. 


I know its hard to believe, since we are talking about science and not a belief system....

Scientists *DO* take into account exactly what your talking about, when examining the information and data collected from observations and experiments. What they are saying (the scientists) is the rise is sharper and faster, than what has been the observational and normal trend of 'heating and cooling'. As such, they are trying to warn the general (and ignorant) public that if we as a race contuine on this path, there will be very bad consequences. The public, simply doesn't understand how two or three degrees of tempature change can have dire consequences on a region's biology system.





willbeurdaddy -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:29:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Ya think that could be because the top global warming fanatics, er, "scientists", were caught committing fraud?

If that were true it might have a bearing on this paper. Fortunately it isn't the case.


ORLY. And just how do you know that?




DomKen -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:31:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Ya think that could be because the top global warming fanatics, er, "scientists", were caught committing fraud?

If that were true it might have a bearing on this paper. Fortunately it isn't the case.


ORLY. And just how do you know that?

Because all the independent groups who investigated the claims found no fraud.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:33:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

ORLY. And just how do you know that?

Letting your masochistic side out to play today, are we?   [:D]

Firm




joether -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:33:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Ya think that could be because the top global warming fanatics, er, "scientists", were caught committing fraud?

If that were true it might have a bearing on this paper. Fortunately it isn't the case.

ORLY. And just how do you know that?


If anyone has to explain this concept to you indepth, your an idiot.




Owner59 -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:34:35 AM)

If I said you could die from drinking that liquid<points to cool-aid cup>,would you see "could" so lackadaisically?



Only a tard would think that way.



But by the time the seas are flooding every port town and city on the globe,all of today`s tards would be gone.



Right Firm?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:38:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Ya think that could be because the top global warming fanatics, er, "scientists", were caught committing fraud?

If that were true it might have a bearing on this paper. Fortunately it isn't the case.

ORLY. And just how do you know that?


If anyone has to explain this concept to you indepth, your an idiot.


If anyone thinks they can answer that they are liars. Shoe fit?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:39:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

If I said you could die from drinking that liquid<points to cool-aid cup>,would you see "could" so lackadaisically?



Only a tard would think that way.



But by the time the seas are flooding every port town and city on the globe,all of today`s tards would be gone.



Right Firm?


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Only a tard would think that way.



But by the time the seas are flooding every port town and city on the globe,all of today`s tards would be gone.



Right Firm?


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Run out and buy your beachfront property in Morristown then.




Owner59 -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:43:45 AM)

Right ,we already know cons couldn`t give a shit.

What else is new?




Musicmystery -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 9:44:29 AM)

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I have learned to never trust popular media reports about scientific studies and papers


Bingo. Stephen Jay Gould shares the same concern in his iconic "Sex, Drugs, Disasters, and the Extinction of Dinosaurs."

And nobody's going to seriously question his scientific credentials.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Warming ocean could melt ice faster than thought (7/4/2011 10:10:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

If I said you could die from drinking that liquid<points to cool-aid cup>,would you see "could" so lackadaisically?

Only a tard would think that way.

But by the time the seas are flooding every port town and city on the globe,all of today`s tards would be gone.

Right Firm?

I'll ask you again, Owner ... what, exactly, is a "tard"?

Firm




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