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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Ok, Tazz, I was able to essentially read all four pages in just a couple minutes, since I just skipped over all the silliness that has nothing to do with the OP (why don't the mods just pull those?)

Anyway....

I do not own a gun, and I don't want to. I damn sure know how to shoot one, and I'm a damn good shot. That said, I have no desire to trample on the rights of others to own guns. But I do believe that the current times call for realistic safety measures.

I lived in Florida for a while. My friend's brother was a bounty hunter and carried a side arm. No problem. I dated a guy who loved to smoke a bit of weed, and the state gave him a carry license. Getting a concealed carry permit is a step above that. No basic human being needs to hide a gun on their person whenever they choose. If they need to, then I'm going to bet they are doing something they shouldn't, or are foolish enough to think it makes them "cool." Doing something you shouldn't, you are a felon waiting to get caught, shouldn't have a gun. Think it makes you look "cool?" You are too stupid to have received a gun permit of any kind.

Cool has nothing to do with it. If you're packing heat it's best that no one know you're carrying. If  a guy comes off like he's too cool cause he's packin and shows people then yes, he's "too stupid to have received a gun permit of any kind".  But how do you screen for stupid and where do you draw the line at stupid people exercising their rights.

Yes, I think it is appropriate for the government (read permit granting agencies, law enforcement (at all levels)) to have and maintain lists of who has applied for and been granted any kind of gun license. I think that list should include what guns each individual owns as well. I do not think that the list should be public information. I also believe said agencies should know who has applied and been denied the right to a gun permit. 

 The list should not include what guns each individual owns.  Not only do I agree that "agencies should know who has applied and been denied the right to a gun permit" but they should go after those who are X felons who try to purchase a gun and prosecute. It's a crime for a felon to attempt to purchase a gun. 

Why should those groups mentioned have access to such information? If a crime is committed, if someone's gun is stolen, any number of other things, those lists in those mentioned hands could be of value. If you are not using your guns for illegal activities, you shouldn't have to worry.

Publish the list? As you said, this does allow people to know who doesn't own a gun. It also allows angry people to know what they need to assault a person who does own a gun. Publishing the list is bad, simply because the majority of people in society are too stupid or vindictive to have the right to know.

Why do I say that they should also monitor who has applied and been denied a gun permit? Sorry, but I believe those people need monitoring. What do you think the chances are that they might try to purchase a gun illegally? How often might it have been an "impulse" buy (attempt to buy actually)? Sorry, but if you are a convicted felon, you know you can't own a gun. If you have a mental disorder, you shouldn't own a gun. If there is a single report that you abused your spouse, partner or a child, you shouldn't own a gun. In all these instances, it is already known that you can't be trusted with certain things. Allow me to clarify that by mental illness, I am referring to ones that could be problematic. Agoriphobia is technically a mental illness, but not necessarily dangerous. Depression, while appearing innocuous, if someone has easy access to a gun, they might not seek the proper treatment and blow their head off. Sorry, I realize that will be unpopular, but I still think they shouldn't have one. 

Yes, monitor the X felon idiots and the like who were turned down for permits. They might catch them packin illegal guns.  Keep in mind we do what we can but there are always going to be instances of some one slipping through the cracks and life is not without it's risks.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Ok, Tazz, I was able to essentially read all four pages in just a couple minutes, since I just skipped over all the silliness that has nothing to do with the OP (why don't the mods just pull those?)

Anyway....

I do not own a gun,

Tell everyone! LOL

and I don't want to. I damn sure know how to shoot one, and I'm a damn good shot.

People that dont have one can pretend shoot for protection!

That said, I have no desire to trample on the rights of others to own guns.

Thanks for the warning that this post is most likely going to try to trample on the rights of others.

But I do believe that the current times call for realistic safety measures.

Whats different about current times from times past?

Realistic?  I cant wait to hear this.

I lived in Florida for a while. My friend's brother was a bounty hunter and carried a side arm. No problem. I dated a guy who loved to smoke a bit of weed, and the state gave him a carry license. Getting a concealed carry permit is a step above that. No basic human being needs to hide a gun on their person whenever they choose.

Really?  why not?  Not one possible reason that anyone would want to carry.  I can think of several reasons.

If they need to, then I'm going to bet they are doing something they shouldn't, or are foolish enough to think it makes them "cool." Doing something you shouldn't, you are a felon waiting to get caught, shouldn't have a gun.

Well then provide the studies to validate such ridiculous claims.

Think it makes you look "cool?" You are too stupid to have received a gun permit of any kind.

Try to stay on topic.

Yes, I think it is appropriate for the government (read permit granting agencies, law enforcement (at all levels)) to have and maintain lists of who has applied for and been granted any kind of gun license.

Now what country did that gain?  and what was the results again?  LE are not government.

I think that list should include what guns each individual owns as well.

Yup I knew it, Everytime they say they dont want to trample rights they come out and promote stomping them into oblivion!

This post belongs in my trust government thread!  LOL

I do not think that the list should be public information.

Anything entered into any agency under the united states record IS public record.

I also believe said agencies should know who has applied and been denied the right to a gun permit.

Gun PERMISSION? 

PERMISSION FROM THE KING TO OWN A GUN?

Why should those groups mentioned have access to such information?

Because its public and the drones are subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Seems that supreme court ruling holds all the way eh....

If a crime is committed, if someone's gun is stolen, any number of other things, those lists in those mentioned hands could be of value.

REALLY?  How?

Will the gun come when a dog whistle is blown?  What value?  Senseless.

If you are not using your guns for illegal activities, you shouldn't have to worry.

about what?  guns used in crime are always stolen guns LOL

Publish the list? As you said, this does allow people to know who doesn't own a gun.

Some people foolishly brag about it.

It also allows angry people to know what they need to assault a person who does own a gun.

Whats that BMG?  An army?  More like where guns can be stolen while they are at work and later used in a crime.

Publishing the list is bad, simply because the majority of people in society are too stupid or vindictive to have the right to know.

Stupid and/or vindictive have nothing to do with a right.  Publishing?  HAving a list is bad LOL

Why do I say that they should also monitor who has applied and been denied a gun permit? Sorry, but I believe those people need monitoring.

Which people are those?  The ones some agent determines does not fit some PROFILE?

Advocating profiling now huh?  and that is not trampling on rights how?

What do you think the chances are that they might try to purchase a gun illegally?

I am sure you will provide a study ti support your inference.

How often might it have been an "impulse" buy (attempt to buy actually)?

Well I think that people who fart should have a hair trigger because you never know.

Sorry, but if you are a convicted felon, you know you can't own a gun.

WRONG better read the law. LOL

If you have a mental disorder, you shouldn't own a gun.

Like posting nonsensical unsupported whimsical reasons for trampling on peoples rights?

If there is a single report that you abused your spouse, partner or a child, you shouldn't own a gun.

Yeh or even worse picked a booger in church!  Yeh stomp on those rights!  STOMP STOMP!

In all these instances, it is already known that you can't be trusted with certain things.

Like a keyboard?  How about some data and test reports ZIPPO NADA

Allow me to clarify that by mental illness, I am referring to ones that could be problematic.

Ah yes pre-emptive stomping on rights if someone whimsically guesses there could be a problem!  Great idea STOMP!

Agoriphobia is technically a mental illness, but not necessarily dangerous.

Hell in that case take away knives too!  Maybe cut fingers off too!  Never can tell these days! 

Depression, while appearing innocuous, if someone has easy access to a gun, they might not seek the proper treatment and blow their head off.


Oh yes that about sums it up since everyone gets depressed at some time or antoher lets just start rounding up every gun on the planet!


Sorry, I realize that will be unpopular, but I still think they shouldn't have one.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Not only do I agree that "agencies should know who has applied and been denied the right to a gun permit" but they should go after those who are X felons who try to purchase a gun and prosecute. It's a crime for a felon to attempt to purchase a gun. 

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Not only do I agree that "agencies should know who has applied and been denied the right to a gun permit" but they should go after those who are X felons who try to purchase a gun and prosecute. It's a crime for a felon to attempt to purchase a gun. 

Thats not true! 

It varies from state to state but xfelons can own guns.

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I believe it's a violation of federal law as well as what ever your state laws are without an expungement or waiver for an ex felon  to possess  a firearm or try to purchase one. 

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I believe it's a violation of federal law as well as what ever your state laws are without an expungement or waiver for an ex felon  to possess  a firearm or try to purchase one. 

Not true.

Louisiana

After 10 years from the date of completion of sentence, probation, parole, or suspension of sentence (La. Rev. Stat. § 14: 95. 1 (c)(1)).

Minnesota

After 10 years has elapsed since the person was restored to civil rights and during that time the person was not convicted of any other crime of violence (Minn. Stat. § 609. 165 subd. 1a).

South Dakota

After 15 years has elapsed since the person was last discharged from prison, jail, probation, or parole (S. D. Codified Laws § 22-14-15).

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/olrdata/ps/rpt/2002-R-0335.htm.

And Oregon, as posted above.

1. Were convicted of a crime punishable by being in prison for more than one year;
2. Are a fugitive from justice;
3. Are addicted to, or illegally use, any controlled substance;
4. Have been ruled mentally defective by a court, or are committed to a mental institution;
5. Are an illegal alien living in the United States unlawfully;
6. Received a dishonorable discharge from the U.S. Armed Forces;
7. Renounced your U.S. citizenship, if you are a U.S. citizen;
8. Are subject to a court restraining order that involves your 'intimate partner,' your partner's child, or children; or
9. Were convicted of domestic violence in any court of a misdemeanor.


I think if your state law allows you to have a gun or permit you would be within the guidelines of federal law.

After 10 after 15 years or whatever I think may mean, at least in some states, that after that time you can apply for a waver. I'm not going to research it all and your link doesn't work.   Though I can tell you first hand about 2 things. One individual I know had to get a waver because of a misdemeanor drug offense. And one time several of us were engaged in a conversation about having a felony conviction and getting caught in possession of a gun (state of FL). The lawyer among us said  "it's 5 years if you get caught with it, you serve the first day, you serve the last".  I don't know the process or details in this state for legal gun ownership with a felony or drug offense.