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imperatrixx -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 7:09:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444
hmmm, but then one can't be a slut if they are in a relationship??? I want to be a slut even when i am in a relationship with the benefactor of my sluttiness.


Well if it's an open relationship I guess so...but to me you're not a slut if you're only sleeping with the person you're in a relationship with.



Arpig -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 7:39:05 PM)

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but to me you're not a slut if you're only sleeping with the person you're in a relationship with
Nothing to do with it.
Slut is defined variously as
A prostitute (not applicable at all)
A wanton woman (applicable...wanton means hard to control, or lewd/bawdy)
A saucy girl (applicable...saucy in this context means impertinently bold and impudent or amusingly forward and flippant)

Now are you honestly going to tell me that one cannot be a hard to control lewd and bawdy woman within a relationship?
Or an impudent, amusingly forward girl?

I didn't think so.



DesFIP -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 7:54:25 PM)

I like the use of the word impudent. I think I'll try telling him I'm impudent the next time he calls me a brat. Just to see the look on his face, of course.



domiguy -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 8:03:54 PM)

The word has a meaning. It is clear. If you want to call yourselves sluts than you should understand what the word means before using it.

Playing make believe is not very becoming even for sluts.



imperatrixx -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 8:04:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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but to me you're not a slut if you're only sleeping with the person you're in a relationship with
Nothing to do with it.
Slut is defined variously as
A prostitute (not applicable at all)
A wanton woman (applicable...wanton means hard to control, or lewd/bawdy)
A saucy girl (applicable...saucy in this context means impertinently bold and impudent or amusingly forward and flippant)

Now are you honestly going to tell me that one cannot be a hard to control lewd and bawdy woman within a relationship?
Or an impudent, amusingly forward girl?

I didn't think so.



Not sure where you got that definition, I was going by this one:

slut (slt) n.
1.
a. A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous.
b. A woman prostitute.
2. A slovenly woman; a slattern.

And the definition of promiscuous that applies is inconsistent with monogamy:

pro·mis·cu·ous (pr-msky-s)
adj.
1. Having casual sexual relations frequently with different partners; indiscriminate in the choice of sexual partners.
2. Lacking standards of selection; indiscriminate.
3. Casual; random.
4. Consisting of diverse, unrelated parts or individuals; confused: "Throngs promiscuous strew the level green" (Alexander Pope).



WyldHrt -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 8:29:06 PM)

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Words don't mean what we want them to mean, we don't get to change them into 'badges of honor.' They have specific meanings defined by the dictionary.

Here's the problem with that:
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Word Origin & History
slut
c.1400, "a dirty, slovenly, or untidy woman," probably cognate with dialectal Ger. Schlutt  "slovenly woman," dialectal Swed. slata  "idle woman, slut," and Du. slodder  "slut," but the ultimate origin is doubtful. Chaucer uses sluttish  (late 14c.) in reference to the appearance of an untidy man. Also "a kitchen maid, a drudge" (mid-15c.; hard pieces in a bread loaf from imperfect kneading were called ' slut's pennies , 18c.). Meaning "woman of loose character, bold hussy" is attested from mid-15c.; playful use of the word, without implication of loose morals, is attested from 1660s.
"Our little girl Susan is a most admirable slut, and pleases us mightily." [Pepys, diary, Feb. 21, 1664]
Sometimes used 19c. as a euphemism for bitch  to describe a female dog. There is a group of North Sea Gmc. words in sl-  that mean "sloppy," and also "slovenly woman," and that tend to evolve toward "woman of loose morals" (cf. slattern, also English dial. slummock  "a dirty, untidy, or slovenly person," 1861; M.Du. slore  "a sluttish woman").

Which definition of 'slut' is the correct one?



Muttling -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 8:30:26 PM)

I've frequently been called a "pain slut."  Since I have male hardware and emotionally identify myself as a male, does this mean I can't be considered a slut?    <sniff, sniff>



imperatrixx -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 8:37:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Muttling

I've frequently been called a "pain slut."  Since I have male hardware and emotionally identify myself as a male, does this mean I can't be considered a slut?    <sniff, sniff>


Well I'm not sure if you're having sexual relations with multiple pains, but it would seem to me that your colloquial use of the word isn't exactly what's being discussed here.

I mean I don't think women who call themselves shoe whores are actually selling sex in exchange for shoes, you know?



imperatrixx -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 8:38:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Which definition of 'slut' is the correct one?



Both. If people were saying they were using it playfully or whatever, that's different than trying to change the actual definition to:

Slut (noun): A woman who can put pride, ego, and shame away as she pursues sexual pleasure.

The playful use you're talking about would be like someone saying their partner calls them a slut because it's hot, but they're not actually a slut. Which is totally fine.



Arpig -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 8:38:51 PM)

From the Miriam-Webster site. It was posted by Palliata in this post:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3755445

The point is, as has been pointed out by somebody already, even the dictionaries do not agree on what the word means, so it is subjective, it's meaning is dependent on usage.

Originally the word meant a dirty or unkempt person (the earliest instance I could quickly find was in Chaucer, where "sluttish" is used to refer to a slovenly man, then it became specific to women. and then was applied to a kitchen maid, not as an insult but as a term for such a menial female servant, and later it took on the connotation of sexual promiscuity. The progression is obvious. Dirty person -> dirty woman -> kitchen maid (often dirty and sweaty..baking, cooking, hot open fireplaces, etc.) -> easy lays (lowly kitchen maids rarely said no the the higher ups).

So if you are going to argue, as Phil did, against usage altering the meaning of a word, then slut means a dirty or slovenly person of either gender, and nothing else. If however, you are going to pick a later usage, you cannot dismiss yet later usages.

Herein endeth today's lesson.



imperatrixx -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 9:20:52 PM)

ummm actually this is the definition that Palliata posted:

Definition of SLUT
1 chiefly British : a slovenly woman
2 a : a promiscuous woman
b : a saucy girl

So yeah, you're going with 2b, I'm going with 2a...I guess I can agree that people can use the word differently if they want to.

But for me, at least (which is all I've said on this thread, my own use of the word I didn't bring the dictionary into this until you tried to say that promiscuity had, as you said, "nothing to do with it" and posted that definition with the promiscuous definition conveniently omitted) a slut is someone who sleeps around with multiple partners. Anyone else can call themselves what they want, but if they call themselves a slut I will treat them like one rofl.



Arpig -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 9:29:18 PM)

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The word has a meaning. It is clear. If you want to call yourselves sluts than you should understand what the word means before using it.
And why don't you enlighten us, oh great pontificater. Just what is this meaning of the word that they should all know and accept.

What's the definition according to the Domi dictionary?



Arpig -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 9:41:17 PM)

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a slut is someone who sleeps around with multiple partners. Anyone else can call themselves what they want, but if they call themselves a slut I will treat them like one rofl.
So a slovenly woman can't be a slut, a saucy girl can't be a slut? You're overlooking the whole point. The word has more than one meaning, even according to the various dictionaries. Therefore, what you are doing is insisting on using your own personal usage, and deriding anybody else who doesn't use the same definition. It's you, with your Acadamie Francaise approach, that is the rofl, sorry.  I'm not saying your usage is wrong, just that it is not the only correct one. The word has several nuanced meanings, and any of them are correct. I have used the word intending to mean every definition presented here at one time or another, perhaps that is why I am disputing the claims of those who say it has but a single meaning, and why I find those who insist that their usage is in any way superior to be laughable.

Hey imperatrixx? [sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif] Thanks for the yuks and chuckles.



tj444 -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 9:46:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx
Well if it's an open relationship I guess so...but to me you're not a slut if you're only sleeping with the person you're in a relationship with.

no, not in an open relationship. We disagree on the meaning of the word slut, I believe a person can be a slut with just one person that they love. The alternative is too boring and unfulfilling for me to contemplate.....



imperatrixx -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 10:08:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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a slut is someone who sleeps around with multiple partners. Anyone else can call themselves what they want, but if they call themselves a slut I will treat them like one rofl.
So a slovenly woman can't be a slut, a saucy girl can't be a slut? You're overlooking the whole point. The word has more than one meaning, even according to the various dictionaries. Therefore, what you are doing is insisting on using your own personal usage, and deriding anybody else who doesn't use the same definition. It's you, with your Acadamie Francaise approach, that is the rofl, sorry.  I'm not saying your usage is wrong, just that it is not the only correct one. The word has several nuanced meanings, and any of them are correct. I have used the word intending to mean every definition presented here at one time or another, perhaps that is why I am disputing the claims of those who say it has but a single meaning, and why I find those who insist that their usage is in any way superior to be laughable.

Hey imperatrixx? [sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif] Thanks for the yuks and chuckles.



haha you're welcome



imperatrixx -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 10:15:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx
Well if it's an open relationship I guess so...but to me you're not a slut if you're only sleeping with the person you're in a relationship with.

no, not in an open relationship. We disagree on the meaning of the word slut, I believe a person can be a slut with just one person that they love. The alternative is too boring and unfulfilling for me to contemplate.....


yeah I guess it would be unfulfilling to just be sexually open or sexually liberated or sexually experimental or a person who loves sex. there's no shock value to it. no fun.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 10:34:18 PM)

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there's no shock value to it.
Neither is there in the word slut, at least not in the way I apply it to myself. I am a wanton, arguably promiscuous, saucy girl. So the word is applicable in almost every sense. Where we differ is in seeing anything negative about it. I am proud to be a slut. It's healthy and natural, and free.

I don't know if I will always be a slut, but for now, when I'm young and pretty, and have few responsibilities, I am going to keep being a slut. The word isn't an insult to me, its just true.



tazzygirl -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 10:41:51 PM)

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I recently learned that it's bad to call women sluts because it has a long history of patriarchal something or other so I now make an effort to use the more neutral (although technically incorrect) term "whore" when talking about a woman whose sexual choices I disapprove of.


Why would you disapprove of anyone's sexual choices if they arent in a relationship with you?



MrRodgers -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 10:49:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

If there such people as sluts...we are all sluts.


Most of the men I know are sluts.... and those who arent wish they were!

Well I've always felt I was a slut and a whore. Ok, ok...a whore if I could be.



tazzygirl -> RE: Meaning of the word "slut" (7/6/2011 10:51:05 PM)

How much do you charge? [:D]



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