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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 3:48:37 PM   
willbeurdaddy


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Just read the James Murdoch statement regarding his closure of the NOW, and a finer example of righteous and self-serving hypocrisy as he tosses the lot under the bus and off the sled for the wolves, cannot be imagined.



Sure it can. Listen to any of Obama's speeches.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 3:51:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, it is your duty to listen to the black WASP and get back to us on what he says.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 3:56:11 PM   
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Sorry, it is your duty to listen to the black WASP and get back to us on what he says.


I think you mean listen to the BLT.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 4:30:04 PM   
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I think you mean listen to the BLT.


Yes, that first part is where you got into trouble. but thanks for pointing out the moral and ethical similarity you perceive between the black WASP and the individuals Murdoch clan.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 5:00:15 PM   
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News was the best selling English newspaper in the world. I really doubt they'd give up that sort of cash cow.


The money is all in broadcasting these days. With phones linking to the net old fashioned newspapers are struggling to keep up. I am convinced the whole reason for shutting the paper is to save the BskyB bid. I dont think it will work though, since the pressure from the public may sway things.

Rumours also circulating that the Sun and NOTW were to merge anyway. This would save overhead costs.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 5:04:38 PM   
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I think you mean listen to the BLT.


Yes, that first part is where you got into trouble. but thanks for pointing out the moral and ethical similarity you perceive between the black WASP and the individuals Murdoch clan.


WTF are you talking about?

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 5:10:56 PM   
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News was the best selling English newspaper in the world. I really doubt they'd give up that sort of cash cow.


The money is all in broadcasting these days. With phones linking to the net old fashioned newspapers are struggling to keep up. I am convinced the whole reason for shutting the paper is to save the BskyB bid. I dont think it will work though, since the pressure from the public may sway things.

Rumours also circulating that the Sun and NOTW were to merge anyway. This would save overhead costs.

The meeting giving murdock his toy was supposed to be tomorrow,pro forma and a done deal.

The meeting is now on hold.

The rats should soon be jumping ship.



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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 5:26:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andy Coulson, a NOTW editor at the time is going to be arrested today. Charges may follow, this could lead to each person passing the buck higher up the chain. I cant see Brooks keeping her job due to the public clamour for her to go.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 5:30:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if the NOTW goes down followed by The Sun, the country will be a better place, as has any of our American cousins ever read any of that, erm, literature ?

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 5:43:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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I think you mean listen to the BLT.


Yes, that first part is where you got into trouble. but thanks for pointing out the moral and ethical similarity you perceive between the black WASP and the individuals Murdoch clan.


WTF are you talking about?


Your admiration of Obama and your favorable comparisons of  those similar qualities you admire among the Murdochs, of course.

"Just read the James Murdoch statement regarding his closure of the NOW, and a finer example of righteous and self-serving hypocrisy as he tosses the lot under the bus and off the sled for the wolves, cannot be imagined."

"Sure it can. Listen to any of Obama's speeches."

Frankly, I don't see it, but readily admire your regular attempts to show the two as equals in what you think are their qualities.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 5:49:14 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		He`s one of many who suffers from Obama Derangement Obsession Syndrome.

He see`s him everywhere and behind everything.

One could almost be flattered by all the attention.


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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 6:26:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, being a big believer in free speech, and a free press, I'd have to call this a monstrous abuse, and since the paper is closing, ultimately self-destructive.

As for how the Brits can handle it, in terms of criminal prosecutions, legal sanctions, civil actions, and maybe even some cultural introspection about what they'd been buying, I'll allow myself to be educated by the responses.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 7:26:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was pretty surprised at the phone hacking myself but on reflection it seems that its the kind of shitty thing these guys do all the time so maybe the debate in dear old limey should widen to cover journalistic ethics generally? Anyone who has read a few issues of Private Eye would have an idea of how bad it is even in the respectable broadsheets.

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I strongly suspect NI will soon roll out a new sunday tabloid that will look almost exactly like News of the World.

Not necessarily: there have been stories that Murdoch junior wants to get rid of the publishing arm of NI in order to have the freedom to acquire more television holdings without the monopolies commission clucking their tongue at him.

News was the best selling English newspaper in the world. I really doubt they'd give up that sort of cash cow.

Not certain myself but I thought that was The Sun? Besides that the print media is struggling.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 9:30:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like  Andy Coulson is gonna be arrested today - http://news.yahoo.com/british-phone-hacking-scandal-widens-shares-slump-042252418.html;_ylt=AiLVdpqLiSo_U7DBOH34kIl0bBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTNtYzdibzFuBHBrZwNhOTNjYjhmYi0wYjg5LTNlNzAtYmYwOC0xMTUyMzE4NjBiYzQEcG9zAzEEc2VjA1RvcFN0b3J5IFdvcmxkU0YgRXVyb3BlU1NGBHZlcgNlMzAwZTcyMC1hOTA2LTExZTAtOGMzYS1mZTcwOWE0MDJmYzk-;_ylg=X3oDMTFxNGdmMG5kBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxldXJvcGUEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

Well at least the British police have now grown bold enough to try publicly whipping Murdoch and Cameron's time-shared dog.

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 10:04:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps it may have slipped a few non-UK memories that the soon-to-be-arrested Andy Coulson was until quite recently, UK PM Cameron's chief spin doctor. Coulson served an apprenticeship for this position as Editor of the News Of The World rag 2003-7.

A perfect preparation for life as a right wing spin doctor wouldn't you agree? I wonder if he has negotiated the serial rights to his forthcoming jail diary to The Sun yet?

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RE: News of the World - 7/7/2011 10:54:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is not many left on the sleigh now that Coulson got the shove, save Cameron and Murdoch himself. And Murdoch is off in the US. Wonder how bold the Tory will be about the Sky buy up now.

And the British public appear to be getting more torqued by the minute about the thing. Hacking into the phones of veteran's families appear make even the Tory lumpen livid. Pretty bad when every veteran's group in the UK is denouncing him too.

Apparently even the food critic from the Times cannot go into a restaurant without being named a villain ("we don't care what kind of review you give us, for nobody will be reading your trash") and asked to leave, and even the butcher takes him to task.

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RE: News of the World - 7/8/2011 5:26:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like they arrested Coulson.

Next step up the ladder is Murdoch himself, or at least his son. - http://news.yahoo.com/former-uk-government-media-chief-meets-police-report-083655223.html

"Coulson, who edited the News of the World from 2003 to 2007, has been arrested on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications and suspicion of corruption at a police station in south London."

Wonder what he thinks of that 96 hour bail rule, his lot were complaining about now?

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RE: News of the World - 7/8/2011 5:36:43 AM   
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Apparently even the food critic from the Times cannot go into a restaurant without being named a villain ("we don't care what kind of review you give us, for nobody will be reading your trash") and asked to leave, and even the butcher takes him to task.

Is it just me, or does anybody else have that scene from Delicattessen running through their head when they think about butchers giving the idiot a hard time?

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RE: News of the World - 7/8/2011 5:40:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The son is going down too.

He`s up to his elbows in shit and involved personally,tho he`s playing the dumb/"I didn`t know" card now.




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RE: News of the World - 7/8/2011 7:34:53 AM   
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Yeah its pretty sick stuff but then again many (not all) journalists come across as pond life. Wonder is a certain kind of ruthlessness required to be successful in this line of work?

Its causing uproar in the UK so I hope it will have a big impact on ethics/codes of conduct. I think the politicians know the public feels it is too shocking to let it go on.


Please tell me what you do know about "many journalists"? I wonder if you see fit to insult most of them because you are only familiar with tabloid journalism? MOST journalists don't work for the tabloids, MOST of them do not engage in illegal actions because it would cost them their job, they do their research, do interviews, write articles and are busy to document every step of the way to avoid law suits (one of the reasons why they will tape interviews, so the subject being interviewed can't claim they have been misquoted), they also spend hours and hours fact checking, very glamorous and ruthless to be stuck in libraries and archives to make sure your facts are straight - again to avoid law suits or being fired. Is that ruthless for you? Maybe you should take a step away from tabloids and not insult journalists by comparing them with the kind of pond scum working for tabloids.

And yes, journalists usually do work together with the police, I recall an article several years ago where it turned out that pedos were interested in mail order brides with young children from 3rd world countries, perfect solution for them, when the kids grow too old to hold their interests, divorce, so mother and child get deported and there are no witnesses. Guess what, the moment that became a founded suspicion, the editor informed the police straight away, handed over copies of all our research, because that's how your average publication handles things. Great to know that in your book "most" journalists come across as pond life and are ruthless, maybe that says more about which type of journalism you are familiar with than about your average journalist. Tabloids actually tend to pay more than respectable magazines or papers, but the money has very little lure for most journalists, because once you were associated with that kind of media, the others won't touch you with a barge pole. Another reason why I simply can't understand Cameron's choice to employ Coulson, not just a shocking error of judgement...


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