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coookie -> 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 10:00:42 PM)

This actually came up for me as a result of another thread. N and i don't live together and because of that i do not consider myself to be in a 24/7 dynamic even though the relationship is always in that mode. So that got me thinking. Part of me thinks that yes because realistically i am not always available for him like tonight he will not get off work until midnight and he will have to walk home though if we lived together i would go and get him. (we live in different towns. still close but gas is expensive). But then the other part of me says that i do what i am told when i am told and if he told me to come and get him at midnight i would so realistically that is a 24/7 situation.

Do you think that in order to have a 24/7 power exchange dynamic relationship that the couple has to live together?






littlewonder -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 10:09:08 PM)

Master and I don't live together but I still consider us 24/7 since he is always the dominant one and I the submissive one and no matter what he says I do it....always. We only live a few miles from one another and he has a key and comes and goes as he pleases.

Even when we lived further apart I still considered us 24/7 because the situation was the same. The only difference now is I get to see him all the time and it's easier to run errands and do things for him than before but the dynamic is still the same.




LadyPact -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 10:09:51 PM)

No, I really don't.

If there is anybody on this board who thinks that I wasn't MP's wife or clip's Mistress during those times that either one of them were deployed, I'll be happy to argue the case with them. 




youcanchoose -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 10:14:33 PM)

I think that the TPE 24/7 is primarily a mental thing (neither of you leave your head spaces), so location is not important.




BKSir -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 10:16:47 PM)

I think that the closer the proximity, the easier and more viable it is. But it's not necessary. I consider my pet to be my pet, 24/7, and he feels the same way, even though he's literally on the other side of the country from me at the moment. I know if I were to say, "Hey, call me, now.", he would. Or if I called him at 4a.m., he would answer. As would I. I know that he will do what is asked of him, without fail (mostly, although he can be a tad absent minded sometimes, but he does his best). Of course, I can't exactly take him over my knee or bend him over the back of the sofa at will, like I could if he were here, but that's only one small aspect of the whole relationship, in my opinion.




coookie -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 10:17:15 PM)

Hmmm well i guess i just had a light bulb blow up in my head. I always just correlated 24/7 with live-in. That line of thinking never really sat right though because to me he is my 24/7. Thank you for the input Lady Pact and little wonder.




coookie -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 10:21:26 PM)

I agree BK the S&M is only one aspect of it.
youcanchoose good point it really is about the head space.
Don't get me wrong i am not uber sub and all "i will do anything he ever asks and smile doing it" lol but i am obedient and i like to to make him happy.





IrishMist -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/9/2011 11:15:19 PM)

quote:

Do you think that in order to have a 24/7 power exchange dynamic relationship that the couple has to live together?

No, I don't think that.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 12:43:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: coookie

Do you think that in order to have a 24/7 power exchange dynamic relationship that the couple has to live together?



Yeah, I do.  It's hard to put into words... but it's just different when you're living together -- which has nothing to do with BDSM, as it's the same on the vanilla side of the fence.





IrishMist -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 3:45:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: coookie

Do you think that in order to have a 24/7 power exchange dynamic relationship that the couple has to live together?



Yeah, I do.  It's hard to put into words... but it's just different when you're living together -- which has nothing to do with BDSM, as it's the same on the vanilla side of the fence.



I have to ask...and please, I am not signaling you out for a thrashing...curious and all...

You said that you DO believe that in order to have a 24/7 dynamic, that the couple(s) need to live together.

Why?

I know you said that it's hard to put into words, but...what makes it different, FOR YOU between physically being in the same house and being separated?





CeriseNin -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 4:11:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: coookie

This actually came up for me as a result of another thread. N and i don't live together and because of that i do not consider myself to be in a 24/7 dynamic even though the relationship is always in that mode. So that got me thinking. Part of me thinks that yes because realistically i am not always available for him like tonight he will not get off work until midnight and he will have to walk home though if we lived together i would go and get him. (we live in different towns. still close but gas is expensive). But then the other part of me says that i do what i am told when i am told and if he told me to come and get him at midnight i would so realistically that is a 24/7 situation.

Do you think that in order to have a 24/7 power exchange dynamic relationship that the couple has to live together?




No I don't. It might be the ideal to live together for some couples, but it's not necessary for others.




DecadentDesire -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 4:27:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: coookie

This actually came up for me as a result of another thread. N and i don't live together and because of that i do not consider myself to be in a 24/7 dynamic even though the relationship is always in that mode. So that got me thinking. Part of me thinks that yes because realistically i am not always available for him like tonight he will not get off work until midnight and he will have to walk home though if we lived together i would go and get him. (we live in different towns. still close but gas is expensive). But then the other part of me says that i do what i am told when i am told and if he told me to come and get him at midnight i would so realistically that is a 24/7 situation.

Do you think that in order to have a 24/7 power exchange dynamic relationship that the couple has to live together?


I think classifying relationships into ones that are 24/7 and ones that are not is arbitrary to begin with




kalikshama -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 4:32:32 AM)

quote:

If there is anybody on this board who thinks that I wasn't MP's wife or clip's Mistress during those times that either one of them were deployed, I'll be happy to argue the case with them.


I certainly won't argue those labels but I would question the 24/7 aspect of M/s, especially during deployment when the military's orders are especially ascendant. When someone else is in charge, how can it be 24/7?

So this brings up the question of working outside the home. If the employer has authority over the /s, can s/he be in a 24/7 relationship?

I guess it depends on the couple's definition of 24/7. To further this debate, I googled "24/7 bdsm definition" and here are the first three I found. Regarding the OP, "live-in" is a condition of one.

I would argue that an employer is  an "impediment to the exercise of the owner's power"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_%28BDSM%29#Total_power_exchange

Total power exchange (TPE) is a derivative of the concept of power exchange in a master/slave relationship. The term refers to a relationship where the dominant or owner has complete authority and influence over the submissive's life, making the majority of decisions. TPE is occasionally referred to as 24/7, denoting that protocol in the D/s relationship is in play anytime, anyplace and the dominant partner gets complete power at all times.
“ A TPE (Total Power Exchange) relationship, sometimes described as an absolute lifestyle d&s relationship ... is a relationship in which no impediment to the exercise of the owner's power is accepted ... Such things as safewords, contracts, negotiated limits, and anything else which recognizes / acknowledges / formalizes limits on the owner's power are inimical to TPE. ”

http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/ravennegotiate24-7.htm

For everyone, what constitutes a 24/7 relationships differs, like everything else in BDSM. The definition of a 24/7 relationship is simply a relationship where the people involved live with one another on a daily basis.

http://www.domsub.info/glossary.shtml

24/7 - In terms of a D/s relationship, this acronym stands for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It identifies a relationship with round-the-clock Dominant and submissive dynamics.









DarkSteven -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 5:08:11 AM)

By that logic, every time he or you left the house to go to work or shop, the 24/7 would cease.




GreedyTop -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 5:12:55 AM)

except for that last definition




kalikshama -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 5:15:21 AM)

While I am arguing that an employer is an "impediment to the exercise of the owner's power," I wasn't otherwise bringing leaving the house into the equation - not sure how you are.




kalikshama -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 5:23:13 AM)

I'd like to hear from /s business owners like *** Rochsub *** - do you feel like a 24/7 dynamic is possible when you are the authority figure for the majority of your waking hours?




BBBTBW -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 5:23:22 AM)

There are some things we have to define for ourselves. I concur with most of the other posters...24/7 is a mindset, not a physical or location.

Yes it is different when you live together, but that doesn't negate the mindset of the individuals involved.

Employers and The Military have precedence over your actions when you are under their authority but they never have precedence over your mindset or your thoughts. Only you have those and thats what keeps the DYNAMIC active when you are not in the presence of your OWNER.




LadyPact -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 6:54:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

If there is anybody on this board who thinks that I wasn't MP's wife or clip's Mistress during those times that either one of them were deployed, I'll be happy to argue the case with them.


I certainly won't argue those labels but I would question the 24/7 aspect of M/s, especially during deployment when the military's orders are especially ascendant. When someone else is in charge, how can it be 24/7?

So this brings up the question of working outside the home. If the employer has authority over the /s, can s/he be in a 24/7 relationship?

I guess it depends on the couple's definition of 24/7. To further this debate, I googled "24/7 bdsm definition" and here are the first three I found. Regarding the OP, "live-in" is a condition of one.

I would argue that an employer is  an "impediment to the exercise of the owner's power"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master/slave_%28BDSM%29#Total_power_exchange

Total power exchange (TPE) is a derivative of the concept of power exchange in a master/slave relationship. The term refers to a relationship where the dominant or owner has complete authority and influence over the submissive's life, making the majority of decisions. TPE is occasionally referred to as 24/7, denoting that protocol in the D/s relationship is in play anytime, anyplace and the dominant partner gets complete power at all times.
“ A TPE (Total Power Exchange) relationship, sometimes described as an absolute lifestyle d&s relationship ... is a relationship in which no impediment to the exercise of the owner's power is accepted ... Such things as safewords, contracts, negotiated limits, and anything else which recognizes / acknowledges / formalizes limits on the owner's power are inimical to TPE. ”

http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/ravennegotiate24-7.htm

For everyone, what constitutes a 24/7 relationships differs, like everything else in BDSM. The definition of a 24/7 relationship is simply a relationship where the people involved live with one another on a daily basis.

http://www.domsub.info/glossary.shtml

24/7 - In terms of a D/s relationship, this acronym stands for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It identifies a relationship with round-the-clock Dominant and submissive dynamics.

What you've got in the above in the first link is exactly why I don't personally use the descriptor of TPE.  Due to our situation, there is a certain amount of power that I don't have, so I don't feel it's accurate to make the claim.  It isn't like other dynamics where if the M tells the slave to quit a job or not go in that day, the only thing that happens is the slave is looking for a new job. 

I'm probably the odd person out on this one because I see power as what is available to turn over to another human being.  Without question, some people have more power that they are able to give than others.  Employment is one area that demonstrates this.  Family situations are another.  Some slaves have other areas of responsibility rather than just to a Master or Mistress that they just can't abdicate.  In that sense, it's really not the slave's power to give.  Just the same as any competent M knows that there are powers greater than they are that really are higher up on the authority chain.

I tend to see My two relationships pretty much in the same way.  I am MP's wife whether he's across the room or across the globe.  It honestly doesn't change the core of the relationship.  The only thing it changes is physical proximity.  We're not just married when we're in the same room.  There is no part time definition.  It's nice that I have that piece of paper that recognizes that union, but I really only use that when it's needed to deal with outside agencies.  The rest is really of My own volition. 

It's the same thing in the dynamic.  Granted, I have less power when he is actively deployed, but it really isn't absent.  The core of the dynamic is still in place.  It's still a case of him giving Me the power that he is available to give.  The rest is just stuff that he doesn't have control over due to decisions that were made before I came along. 




GreedyTop -> RE: 24/7 in different households? (7/10/2011 7:25:35 AM)

*agrees with LadyP*





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