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JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 4:42:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Shit like the death penalty or someone calling my dad mentally ill for being a good Christian man.
Or that you don't know how to have fun, or that you shouldn't point out somebody's age to put them down unless its really relevant to your point, or when Dave posts something, or zippers, or..., or....

Come on, drop the holier than thou crap, you're as bad a perpetrator as anybody here.

I get snippy with people all the time, mostly because they are stupid. Like lying about what they said elsewhere on the forums, or asking dumb questions, or just plain being mentally incompetent. Sometimes just because I'm in a shitty mood, or maybe just because I think what I post is funny.

Oh that and people saying that that right-wing bastard Obama is a socialist...puhleeeeze!! [8|] We wouldn't even let him look through the window, let alone come in the door.


Yanno Arpig, I dunno what has crawled up your ass lately, but pull it out and get over it already. This was not a holier than thou thread. I meant it when I said there are (or were) 2 threads that got me to thinking. One of them involves a dude wanting pics, who has been jumped on really badly, maybe rightly so, and the other was pulled, but was a regular poster doing something that newbies have had their ass chewed out for.

So, fuck off and do not think you know my motivations or that I do not know how to have fun.

edit to remove the asshole-ish ness




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 4:45:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

A thread or two I read here lately have me thinking. So many times, someone posts something, and the reactions that come are "You are searching for wank material", "Why would you post such stuff for us to see?", "We are not in your dynamic", "Use the search feature", etc so on and so forth.

So, is it the subject that gets folks riled, or is it the fact they do not know, or do not like, the person doing the posting?


My opinion on eople who ask questions that have been asked numerous times all ready is this: they are looking for something beyond an answer in a box; they want the human contact that accompanies the response and the search function doesn't really fill that void.
It isn't the words that tell them that they aren't so strange or alone in their wonderings, but an actual response from another person.
Sometimes people want contact.


I agree with that. I remember, when I first came to CM, LA would post links to numerous threads in reply to questions. Thing was, most of the time, the posters in those threads were no longer around and I didn't have a feel for how they posted, so it did no good.




Wolf2Bear -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 4:46:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK

agree wolf but to put that opinion out there and to use thaas a basis for how others react to you is wrong

i have some words id like to say about some here

but don't

its a public forum everyone should be able to use it without abuse

i use twitter a lot its 140 characters even smaller if you want it retweeted strange im understood perfectly there


Thing is.....even talking to people in person, you still will have your opinions ignored or sometimes lambasted, on here it is no different, just that it'll happen more often. Ya also have to keep in mind that on here, you are also dealing with a larger group of people than if you are having the same discussion at a munch or with a group of friends. Sometimes we do have to develop a thicker skin and not allow every single slight against us be the basis for complaining. I have seen many highly respected people on these forums get flamed and bashed in a majorly big way yet they still post and they don't complain about the rude treatment they get from a small selection of people on here.






LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 4:48:28 PM)

Sorry, folks.  Double post.




LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 4:50:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub
Do you think that part of it may be, for lack of a better word, the "level" of BDSM that different posters are?

For lack of a better word, yes, I do.  Before I get crucified for that, it's really not any different than anything else in life.  Say you start a new job.  The guy who has worked there for ten years is probably more knowledgeable about it than you.  He had a first day years ago, but he didn't stay at the same proficiancy level.  He probably got damn good at it. 

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I mean I get that some folks are just assholes, and yes some come looking for a fight. Some are, IMHO, handicapped in different ways, either socially or physically or mentally, so that they do not even get it why they are getting the reactions that they get. Hell, a few on here probably feel that I am in that category. The ones I perceive as having some type of "handicap", I feel sorry for, and just pray they will get ignored and go away honestly.

That first part is pretty much what I meant in one of My prior responses.  I don't see people's handicaps first.  If they allow that handicap to define them, I can't change it for them.  That's an inside job and I'm on the outside looking in.

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But back to the "levels" of BDSM, I totally get that you were thrilled to meet someone who had a journey kind of like your own, and I can imagine that yall had some greats stories and thoughts to exchange, just as you do on here. I enjoy reading a lot of your posts, not because of your experiences in leather, but because I think you are a smart chickie.

I appreciate the compliment, but I honestly don't think I'm all that smart.  None of this is really that hard.  When it comes down to it, a lot of it's just plain common sense.  Often, if folks would stop trying to make it "special" they would see that.

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For me, I have no desires to be involved in a community. I want a relationship with a man, one who is the kind of man I can hand over much authority to and know my trust is not misplaced. I think that could make my posts seem irrelevant to you (not saying that they do), but I can imagine that you read many of the questions on here, and like you say, think it is folks being lazy.

Still coffee.  Don't think I forgot.  [;)]

Your posts aren't irrelevant to Me.  I totally get that you don't want to do the community thing and I'm not preaching the One True Way thing here.  That has to go both ways.  There is more than just this and I want people to know that.

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I see it as not being lazy, but as being totally at a loss as to how one goes about finding what they seek, when they do not want to scene and play casually. Folks with totally different goals and totally different ideas about what is successful, when doing this thing that we do, even though the thing that we have in common is something we see totally differently.

Very true.  Thank God for it!

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If any of that makes sense, you are smarter than I even gave you credit for-lol.

Believe it or not, it did. 


Edited, and after all of that, I screwed up the quotes.  LOL.




hardcybermaster -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 4:55:13 PM)

rise above it David,if you truely believe you are being sinned against and are not the sinner then don't go down to their level. Be a bigger man than them and rise above it




LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 5:03:40 PM)

Really am trying to keep up here, folks.  If I'm missing comments, I apologize.

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
I understand where you are coming from and the internet can be a curse as well as a godsend.My partner is a teacher and fights a constant battle against people who just copy and paste answers from the net instead of reading,researching and learning.

And there it is!

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But buying books and attending munches costs money that lots of people don't have so why shouldn't they take the "easy" way out and ask questions here?

I'm not even sure that I want to get into the debate of people want to be a Dominant, find a partner, learn to top, etc but can't spend ten bucks (sorry, I know it's a different currency on your side of the pond) to go to a munch.  If the financial condition of a person's life is at that level, I'm thinking they need to fix that first. 

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Sure if their attutude is wrong they should be told( I know about that!) but daft question is only that to those in the know,not to a newbie. You don't have to answer it if you don't want to.

Some of them, I don't.  I absolutely refuse to answer topping questions on the boards about anything that could even be thought of as edge play.  Too little information is a dangerous thing.

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Also as a newbie this sort of thing can be very scary so the ability to ask questions and learn anonymously is brilliant for some.

No offense, but knock that off.  You aren't any more or less scared than anybody else who was once new and I did it in person when I had to look at the people who thought I was (and they were right) an idiot.  Tell you what though.  I love those people today.  Even the ones who told Me to buy a book.

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Lastly the same question can have wildly different answers depending on who answers and debates it,and on when it is asked,everybodies ideas and knowledge changes as time passes,or at least it should do therefore it has the right to be asked again

Nobody said don't ask questions.  All I'm saying is that isn't all a person should do. 






Arpig -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 5:15:07 PM)

I never questioned your motivations, just your stance. I only referred to a few of the recent threads where you did jump all over other posters for reasons far less important than the death penalty or your father's mental health.

There is just a touch of hypocrisy in your statements here JAS.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 5:18:50 PM)

I disagree that I jumped all over anyone. The thread that involved age, my first reply to her was very nice and I indicated that I didn't get the same vibe she did from the OP. When she continued to be so defensive, telling everyone on that thread that they didn't know what fun was (sound familiar), I looked at her profile and saw she was young. I stand by my statement that, if she saved that thread and looked back at it in 20 years, she would realize how wrong she was.

I can live with you calling me a hypocrite. I didn't start this thread saying I never do the things I am asking about, I started it because I got to thinking. If that is hypocritical to you, I am good with that. At the end of the day, it is just pixels on a screen.

I don't think I have ever jumped all over any one on these boards, but feel free to show me where you think I did.




Arpig -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 5:36:38 PM)

How can you make the following two statements in the same post:
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I didn't start this thread saying I never do the things I am asking about

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I don't think I have ever jumped all over any one on these boards
and expect anybody to be able to take you seriously?

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but feel free to show me where you think I did.
I did just that in my original post on this thread, but that seems to have slipped under your radar. the reference to fun was not a belief about you, but a reference to the Ka-Boom thread, where you did indeed jump all over the poster and were unnecessarily insulting. The age reference was to your defensiveness and dismissive replies in Heather's now vanished adultism thread. And so on for the other references to other threads where you were less than "saintly" in your replies.

Yes I do find your present thread and your stance within it to be both hypocritical and "holier than thou". Do you know why I find them to be such? Because they are.

To paraphrase Hannah a little: If you don't want to be called a hypocrite, don't post hypocritical shit online.





CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 5:50:10 PM)

Thanks for starting this thread, JstAnotherSub.  After reading all the previous posts...here is my spewage.

Personally, if there are a lot of people at the munch who behave like a lot of people at CM...I will have no interest in going.  [:'(]

Am doing okay on my own, and do not need to put up with a lot of BS from others just to be part of some r/t community.  (Or to get some shiny seal of validation stamped onto my ass.)

Anyway, yes, let's keep chasing all the newbies away.  Ones who need to take BDSM 101 before daring to show their faces in these hallowed halls...tell them to go somewhere else to cut their teeth on this.  (Maybe to Alt, Bondage, or to Fet.)

It is *wonderful* to have so many people disappearing from CM so that the same small group of people are saying the same things day after day. 

Yes, it is that time of the month and I might have been more polite about getting my point across otherwise.  I am getting so sick of the snarky newbie bashing...these people are not our subs and did not agree to be hazed.  Not going to debate with anyone over this; my opinions and feelings are just my own. 

I don't mind all the verbal bloodshed in the politics and religion area.  It's... [:D]




kalikshama -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 5:55:51 PM)

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so why when i made my 1st introduction post was it attacked


Calling 99.999% of the people fakes is NOT a good way to introduce yourself; however, I did not see "attacks," but rather a little snark and some good advice.

hi there been away from here for awhile before id say 99.999% were fake seen some but many seem genuine im from SW london UK

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my 3rd post was asked why i couldnt be clearer so i posted i had dyspraxia that was attacked again no one said ANYTHING


I recall AngelikaJ being compassionate about your dyspraxia several times.

DesFIP gave you very good advice in that thread

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But your ability to wield a pair of scissors has nothing to do with the words you use online.

I will offer my usual suggestion to people who need to learn social skills. Call your mother, tell her what you've been saying to people, ask her if she thinks this is acceptable, and then ask her to give you a refresher course on manners. Because, quite frankly, you stand in desperate need of one.


And so did UberBrat,  a fellow dyspraxia sufferer:

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i suffer from dyspraxia too, quite severely.  However, although it makes my life quite difficult sometimes, i don't use it as an excuse for anything, and it would NEVER make me be rude to someone, or stop me from treating people i meet with the upmost respect - which, as far as i can see is what you're using your dyspraxia as an excuse for?  i really don't think there's any part of dyspraxia at all that would affect your communication with others, though i admit i don't know everything about it.


Look, you have a business, you have clients, so clearly you are capable of better communication. I find reading you frustrating and no have no doubt that your style contributes to the snark you receive.

So to tie this back to the OP - GIGO.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 5:58:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

How can you make the following two statements in the same post:
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I didn't start this thread saying I never do the things I am asking about

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I don't think I have ever jumped all over any one on these boards
and expect anybody to be able to take you seriously?

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but feel free to show me where you think I did.
I did just that in my original post on this thread, but that seems to have slipped under your radar. the reference to fun was not a belief about you, but a reference to the Ka-Boom thread, where you did indeed jump all over the poster and were unnecessarily insulting. The age reference was to your defensiveness and dismissive replies in Heather's now vanished adultism thread. And so on for the other references to other threads where you were less than "saintly" in your replies.

Yes I do find your present thread and your stance within it to be both hypocritical and "holier than thou". Do you know why I find them to be such? Because they are.

To paraphrase Hannah a little: If you don't want to be called a hypocrite, don't post hypocritical shit online.




You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is totally wrong. Feel free to message me if you want to continue this discussion, I won't derail my own thread any longer over what you see as your truth.




Arpig -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 6:06:32 PM)

Discussing how you attack other posters is derailing a thread you started about attacking other posters????  Weird planet you live on.

And no, I have no desire to continue discussing things off the boards, I see no reason to hide the facts from everybody, as much as you would like to.






Kaliko -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 6:08:26 PM)

....sigh....I was having such a good time, too, ranting about my pet peeve.


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LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 7:29:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

Thanks for starting this thread, JstAnotherSub.  After reading all the previous posts...here is my spewage.

Personally, if there are a lot of people at the munch who behave like a lot of people at CM...I will have no interest in going.  [:'(]

Apples and oranges.  This doesn't happen at munches because everybody there had to arrange to be there, shower, dress.......  In other words, they made an effort. 

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Am doing okay on my own, and do not need to put up with a lot of BS from others just to be part of some r/t community.  (Or to get some shiny seal of validation stamped onto my ass.)

Which is great.  Your way is working for you.

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Anyway, yes, let's keep chasing all the newbies away.  Ones who need to take BDSM 101 before daring to show their faces in these hallowed halls...tell them to go somewhere else to cut their teeth on this.  (Maybe to Alt, Bondage, or to Fet.)

I seriously don't know why people pull this card.  Half of the people on one site are also on the other.  If the atmosphere of one site isn't for a particular person, maybe they will like another better.

Let's be frank.  If people want to be kinky, they are going to be kinky.  They will find a way.  It's been that way for a long time now and it's not going to change just because some folks felt like there was too much snark on the internet. 

Really, if people get some snark over "why doesn't Master call" after the one night stand, it's nothing that wouldn't happen anywhere else.

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It is *wonderful* to have so many people disappearing from CM so that the same small group of people are saying the same things day after day. 

People really don't understand how many folks come and go from this site every day.  Snark is just a part of that.  Others find partners, move on to other explorations, learn by other methods, and a whole host of other stuff.

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Yes, it is that time of the month and I might have been more polite about getting my point across otherwise.  I am getting so sick of the snarky newbie bashing...these people are not our subs and did not agree to be hazed.  Not going to debate with anyone over this; my opinions and feelings are just my own. 

I don't mind all the verbal bloodshed in the politics and religion area.  It's... [:D]


And you think the other boards eat people for lunch?  [8D]




erieangel -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 7:33:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

A thread or two I read here lately have me thinking. So many times, someone posts something, and the reactions that come are "You are searching for wank material", "Why would you post such stuff for us to see?", "We are not in your dynamic", "Use the search feature", etc so on and so forth.

So, is it the subject that gets folks riled, or is it the fact they do not know, or do not like, the person doing the posting?


My opinion on eople who ask questions that have been asked numerous times all ready is this: they are looking for something beyond an answer in a box; they want the human contact that accompanies the response and the search function doesn't really fill that void.
It isn't the words that tell them that they aren't so strange or alone in their wonderings, but an actual response from another person.
Sometimes people want contact.


I agree with that. I remember, when I first came to CM, LA would post links to numerous threads in reply to questions. Thing was, most of the time, the posters in those threads were no longer around and I didn't have a feel for how they posted, so it did no good.



You both said it better than I did, explaining my position on questions and not wanting to search the threads.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 7:41:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

....sigh....I was having such a good time, too, ranting about my pet peeve.


(Fast Reply)




Please, carry on!

[:D]




LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 7:42:34 PM)

Hey, I was trying to help.  [8D]




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/10/2011 7:42:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

Thanks for starting this thread, JstAnotherSub.  After reading all the previous posts...here is my spewage.

Personally, if there are a lot of people at the munch who behave like a lot of people at CM...I will have no interest in going.  [:'(]

Apples and oranges.  This doesn't happen at munches because everybody there had to arrange to be there, shower, dress.......  In other words, they made an effort. 




Personally, the people I met at the local munches in OR when I first ventured into this lifestyle were creepy, cliquey, drama llamas!! I don't know why some posters here think that going to munches is a great way to meet people. These people were flippin nuts!! They were so involved in their drama that was all they were about. In other words, they acted like a lot of the idiots on CM. I met one person at all the munches that I went to who is still in my life, because I want her in my life still.

The people at the munches aren't necessarily a better group of people just because they took showers & dressed to go there. Quite frankly, it was the people who I met here on the boards that kept me interested in BDSM, not the ones I met IRL at munches & events.

My experience here in Chicagoland is pretty much the opposite, but that still doesn't really prove anything. I don't like generalizations, because they are said as though they're gospel truth. And when someone points out that's not been their experience, they have been told that that's only an exception.




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