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LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 4:19:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel
I shower and dress every single day--sometimes twice a day because when I look good, I feel good. As for munches, I haven't been to one yet in my area, but a week ago I was on FetLife and the woman who i guess usually organizes the munches here was in a rant. Evidently nobody showed to the latest one. She was very very ticked, going on and on about feeling dumb when only she and two others showed up at the munch. I guess she has a dungeon too, and was ranting about being out hundreds of dollars in organizing play parties to which not enough show up. Anyway, not somebody I think I'd want to associate with. Why organize things if you are going rant and rave about the cost afterward?

Being a person who has done their share of event organizing in the past, I might have some answers on that.  Depending on how much effort went into doing this could have a lot to do with it.  Putting something together, which more often than not is something that the community asks for, not only takes time, but also involves cold, hard cash.  If nobody shows up, that may be an out of pocket expense that goes to the person who set it up.  Some groups have a treasury and in others, it really does fall to the individual who is stepping up to provide the community with an activity.  There is *always* a possibility that you are going to spend more than you take in.  However, when you have a group of folks who are supposed to be attending to defray the costs, then that doesn't happen, I can't blame somebody for being angry.

The last event that I put together was a pretty big undertaking.  (It was a slave auction, with part of the evening being gambling for fake money.)  I did all of the background planning and prep work Myself.  There's way more involved in that that than I could try to explain here.  Since this was the first event of this kind for that particular group and I was fronting all of it, I spent more time in certain areas to keep costs as minimal as I could. 

Had only three people shown up, rather than the seventy that actually attended, I'd have been really ticked off.  That's just plain a lot of time to invest in something and not at least break even.

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Anyway, I was Fet earlier this weekend and I guess she's calmed down because she has scheduled three events--two munches and a play party. Her rules are that you have to attend three munches before you can attend a play party, but all of munches are scheduled during my work hours. So I guess I won't be getting involved in the local scene here.

In fairness, I'm going to tell you that I read one of your comments on another thread about this same subject.  I'm not going to drag that information here, but I am aware of the other factor.

A lot of groups do still have a vetting process of some kind.  That's what it's called when a group wants to make sure a person is ok to attend a play event.  Since a lot of parties are held in people's homes, they don't want just any person off of the street attending.  That's for their safety as well as that of other guests.

Sometimes, you can contact the host, explain your situation with your work hours, and ask that you can be vetted in a different way.  When I lived in GA and was elected to the group's board there, we had it in our by-laws that a person could be vetted through meeting with two of the board members, even if the person couldn't attend munches.  That person's conduct would be the responsibility of the board members who vetted them for the equivalent number of play parties that would equal the number of munches that would be required to vet them the other way.  (In the example you give above, that would be three.)  After that, they we considered members of the group in good standing in their own right.

Not every group will have that exception to the stated rule, but it might be something that you could ask if you were wanting to attend something in your area when your work schedule does make it possible. 




LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 4:51:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK

one the reasons why newbies might not start threads is once again one mine intentionally derailed

1.. can newbies be 100% certain theres wont be NO

2.. to me this reflects badly on this place as it shows me its not monitored properly

just me but it affects whole forum

oh but i haven't used correct grammar

hijacking threads good bad grammar bad

Well, I don't know if it's *just* you, but I'm really more with LL on this one.  I'm not terribly concerned whether new folks start threads or not.  Most of the stuff that gets started in the upper section (meaning the General BDSM board and the "Ask A...." boards) really isn't "new" stuff.  It's just new to them because they are just starting out.  For them, it's a learning experience.  To somebody who has double digit years of experience, it really is old hat.  The reality of it is that most questions posted by newer members of the forum aren't anything that hasn't already been done to death.

That doesn't mean that folks with experience won't try to help in an area if they have it.  Even the one of the threads that this thread was inspired by that is still going, people did give practical solutions.  The truth is, at least in My honest opinion, the guy really just is lazy and doesn't want to actually *do* anything to obtain what he wants.  Read it for yourself.  It's nothing more than a case of wanting to be handed what he wants with no effort on his part.

On your second point, we disagree again.  The place is monitored properly.  TOS violations are taken care of quickly and from what I've seen, they keep a pretty good balance between serious and fun.  Their job is *not* to dictate how people can answer threads other than what is covered in the information already provided by the site.  It doesn't say that new folks have to be coddled or that people can only answer in a way that other people will like. 




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 5:05:31 AM)

I can't have coffee til I get back from having bloodwork done for my physical next week, so I hope this is readable.

When a woman my age comes on here and says "woe is me, I sucked his dick in the car after we had our first cup of coffee and he said he was now my master and he hasn't called me in 3 weeks, should I remove my cyber collar or should I wait patiently?", my head goes to one side and I think they are insane.  I just do not get how someone's thought processes even can go there.

As for munches, I went to one in this area.  The folks were some of the nicest folks I have ever met.  They went out of their way to make me feel welcome, and they invited me back.  The reason I didn't go back is because of how I felt.  I just didn't feel like I had anything in common with them, other than being in to kink.   There was a play party after that all were excited about, as they should have been.  Many were in, or looking to be in, poly homes.  I just felt I was D/s 101 and they were BDSM masters degrees.  HA! Masters.  And I have no desire to learn more about things I have no desires to become a part of.

I do believe a lot of what I see on here is because of the filters I see life with.  I think we all do that, no matter how enlightened we think we are. 

Oh man, I need coffee.  I am going to drink this big old glass of water so I can run to the doctor and let them suck blood.  I just hope I can get awake enough to drive that far!




gungadin09 -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 5:17:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Let's be frank.  If people want to be kinky, they are going to be kinky.  They will find a way. 


"KINK will find a way..."

pam




DavidLee44UK -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 6:30:55 AM)

lol LP

yes we do

1 tos states that hijacking threads not allowed but everyone does it

lol

come over to my forum and any threads hijacked the posts are deleted by me or by one my other admin

that doesnt happen here so by my account yes it is poorly monitored

and as for disagreement nah its just different expectations lmao

you do amuse me some days u come over so smart and self assured then others you come over so arrogant

its like if i said the suns yellow someone somwhere on another planet would disagree because the air would be composed of items that refracted light diffedrently

why do some people have to be wrong ah but i forgot a domme has to look good to others lol




LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:06:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK

lol LP

yes we do

1 tos states that hijacking threads not allowed but everyone does it

We probably see this in two completely different ways.  For example, this post that I'm typing right now, as well as the one that I'm quoting, some people could call hijacking.  Neither of them are really on topic, but it *is* part of the conversation that has ensued.  With that in mind, which perspective is right?  I don't make those calls.  It's a Mod decision.

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lol

come over to my forum and any threads hijacked the posts are deleted by me or by one my other admin

I appreciate the offer and all, but if it's a BDSM forum, I have reason to believe that I am more suited to places like here and Fet.  I've said it several times in our discussions, I really am here for My own purposes and something based in the UK really doesn't fit that.

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that doesnt happen here so by my account yes it is poorly monitored

By My account, it allows people to have conversation. 

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and as for disagreement nah its just different expectations lmao

Pretty much.  I just don't expect Mods to have to hold people's hands or try to dictate responses. 

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you do amuse me some days u come over so smart and self assured then others you come over so arrogant

Don't confuse confidence with arrogance.  The latter is usually in the eye of the beholder and more often than not speaks more of the observer than the person being observed, which can be related to the observer's own insecurities.  The former is the trust in one's own abilities, which I have no problem telling anyone that I do have.

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its like if i said the suns yellow someone somwhere on another planet would disagree because the air would be composed of items that refracted light diffedrently

Which part bothers you?  The fact that they have the potential to be right or the fact that they don't agree with you?

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why do some people have to be wrong ah but i forgot a domme has to look good to others lol

What exactly is the magic formula to get this across?  It doesn't have anything to do with looking good.  In case you haven't noticed, I've been debating what might be considered the opposite opinion of the OP.  I am not now, nor will I ever be a 'pat the new folks on the head' type.  If I thought folks needed the kid glove treatment, I'd be more concerned with their ability to handle what goes on in BDSM in the first place.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:26:32 AM)

How do we even KNOW if someone is a newbie, unless they wave the giant I AM A NEWBIE banner?

I have had this SN for the last six years. Others on the boards have changed theirs repeatedly and not made any kind of announcement. They are by no means "new" because they have a recent join date and a low posting count. Just being new to the boards does not make one "new" to kink, either.





GreedyTop -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:27:43 AM)

excellent point, Hibbie!

(oh wait.. I shouldnt be posting on this thread, because apparently, I am STALKING david)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:29:44 AM)

Um. Ew.

I am stalking JEFFFFF and his glow in the dark calves!




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:30:53 AM)

damn, only the cool kids get stalkers......on-line snobs!





GreedyTop -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:33:59 AM)

I did not say I was stalking him, he just THINKS I am ...

Jefff I'll stalk.. 




LadyHibiscus -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:37:47 AM)

Exactly!




LadyPact -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:39:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

How do we even KNOW if someone is a newbie, unless they wave the giant I AM A NEWBIE banner?

I have had this SN for the last six years. Others on the boards have changed theirs repeatedly and not made any kind of announcement. They are by no means "new" because they have a recent join date and a low posting count. Just being new to the boards does not make one "new" to kink, either.

I'm with you on this one.  However, one of My personal gigs is advice that I give often.  Don't claim experience that you don't have.  That's going to go over like a ton of bricks when you're mixed with a group of people who really do have the experience that someone is trying to claim.  From My perception, that turns out worse than a person just saying they are new and they don't know things yet.  It automatically paints a person in the wrong light.




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 7:41:24 AM)

When I went to the munches in OR, I went with the idea that I would meet people into kink, do some networking, & make some friends. At the least, I would have fun at the munches. I probably could have had fun at the munches had I only gone to the munch once a month & kept those people out of my life for the rest of the month. But I was looking for more than a good burger with a crowd of people once a month.

And I was not the only one who felt that way. People began staying away in droves. The one friend I still have who I met at my first munch has now started going back & according to her, the drama llamas are no more. But since they were part of the leadership when I was going, I wasn't willing to keep going with the hope that someday they would wander off & better people would appear in their place. It wasn't just this one munch either. I went to one in Portland & one in Vancouver, WA, also & found them to be about the same. It didn't make me happy to go there, so why should I continue to go back. As LP states often, I'm in this for myself. Imagine a newbie to munches coming in & telling people who'd been attending for a long time that they were doing it wrong. LOL

I didn't go to another munch for years due to the bad taste those munches left me with. The day I arrived in Chicagoland, Lushy said she was going to a munch & she spoke so glowingly of the people there that I decided to give it a shot. I now attend 2 munches & a few other events every month when I can afford it. The one munch is called Kinky Diners of Chicago, so going there & not eating would be a little weird, since that's the whole raison d'etre of that particular munch.

My whole point is that munches & local events are not the be-all to end-all in this thing that we do; just sometimes can be icing on the cake. And the people who go to them are not necessarily the best people in a particular area. People being who they are, there will be good ones & bad ones. There are 2 people who run munches up North who are fighting & bickering with each other & bringing their drama to the public that is Fetlife. I've let both of them know, as have several of my friends here, that I won't be attending either munch because it takes two to fight like that. Neither one of them are acting like the adults they profess to be & my life can get dramatic enough, why would I seek someone else's out??

And yes, I count a few who I've met at the munches here as my friends now. We get together & do things that are non-kink.

Back on topic, when I came here & started posting on the boards, I had 20 years of experience off the internet. But when I would post, people would see the date that I joined this site & think I was totally new to the whole thing. My advice would be to, once again, not generalize by thinking that JoeBlow joined CM last month, therefore he has no experience worth sharing with the rest of us. My other piece of advice would be if you really don't have any insight into something that is asked, don't post to that thread.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 8:02:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I did not say I was stalking him, he just THINKS I am ...

Jefff I'll stalk.. 


haha I shoulda said fast reply on that post-sorry!




HannahLynHeather -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 8:49:26 AM)

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I didn't say that, now did I?
oh cool. but i'm not so fucking sure i want anything to do with any clique that would have me as a member.




GreedyTop -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 8:50:53 AM)

tough shit.. you're in... *grins*




LadyHibiscus -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 8:51:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I didn't say that, now did I?
oh cool. but i'm not so fucking sure i want anything to do with any clique that would have me as a member.



ONE OF US!!




HannahLynHeather -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 8:57:41 AM)

you guys, er make that we, have no fucking class.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: That's so dumb... (7/11/2011 9:06:49 AM)

Hey!! I have PLENTY of class!! I am wearing unnerpance AND a bra, AND THEY ARE THE SAME COLOUR!!!




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