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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:21:26 AM

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And the Obama administration considers, according to a report by his DHS head, and supported by public statements from both Pelosi and Reed, American military veterans to be the single greatest terror threat. What had they been smoking?????

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:27:04 AM

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And the Obama administration considers, according to a report by his DHS head, and supported by public statements from both Pelosi and Reed, American military veterans to be the single greatest terror threat. What had they been smoking?????

Please post link.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:32:12 AM

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That is not quite what they said, so what have you been smoking?

Nevertheless,

McVeigh, Hasan, Edwin Walker, John Allen Muhammad, and so on......

Look, what it is saying, and it is true, that disaffected ex-mil have the abilities, the background and sometimes the outlook that terrorist recruiters look for, and by god if you go look at what vets have been promised by the US of A and what is being delivered (if at all) it ain't hard to find disaffected ones that are already having huge difficulty reintegrating back into society, 'back in the world'.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:34:29 AM

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reformedmusings.wordpress.com
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And Pelosi had the gall to say that Timothy McVey was a typical veteran.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:40:52 AM

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dont know the purpose of the bugshit first 2 websites you posted, nor the rather heavily right spinning military com website.

Now I don't know who McVey is, but he could well be a typical veteran, in any case, I would like to see the credible citation of her comments, otherwise it would be as so much else forwarded here as fact by the rabid right, no more than fanciful asswipe.

Sorat like your asinine statements about Pawlenty being fiscally conservative and a financial godsend to the State of Minnesota...et al.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:41:24 AM

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I knew that any leftest claims would go unchallenged. I also new that I could count on certain people to ridicule my statement often while reenforceing it. As a veteran I resent the implications, the initial justifications and the later attempts to deny. They very sort of behavior you accuse conservatives of for getting up in the morning.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:43:12 AM

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I am a veteran, and resent your impugning and innuendo.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:43:23 AM

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Talk 2 Action Is the DHS Dropping the Ball on Tracking Rightwing Domestic Terrorists?

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Daryl Johnson, a former senior domestic terrorism analyst with the DHS, says that his `greatest fear is that domestic terrorists in this country will somehow become emboldened to the point of carrying out a mass-casualty attack, because they perceive that no one is being vigilant about the threat from within.'

In the wake of 9/11, law enforcement officials ramped up their efforts to prevent domestic terrorism. During the past two years, while energy of the expanded Department of Homeland Security has been focused on Muslims - either American born or those coming from outside the country - according to a former DHS official, the DHS has basically put the kibosh on analyzing homegrown terrorist threats by white supremacists, militias, the patriot movement, and anti-abortion fanatics...

The former senior DHS analyst is concerned with "the fact that our country is under attack from within, from our own radical citizenry. There have been a lot of small-scale attacks lately, whether it's three mail bombs sent to U.S. government facilities in Maryland and D.C., or a backpack bomb placed near a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade in Spokane, Wash., or two police officers gunned down at a traffic stop in West Memphis, Ark., by antigovernment extremists in May 2010."...

A 2010 DHS study concluded that a majority of the 86 major foiled and executed terrorist plots in the United States from 1999 to 2009 were unrelated to al-Qaeda and allied movements.

Remember, according to the Right-Wing media cartel (i.e. Fox and talk radio), [1] the only people Americans have to fear are Muslims, leftists or liberals, [2] any terrorist plot (successful or unsuccessful) by anyone who is a Muslim (American or non-American) is just part of a vast conspiracy of ALL Muslims worldwide, and [3] any terrorist plot (successful or unsuccessful) by any American who isn't a Muslim or a leftist or a liberal is the work of a deranged individual or individuals with no connections to anyone else.

Well...they do have a point. Liberals are a pretty severe threat to your liberty. Let's see...Islamo-fascists are allegedly responsible for bringing down Tower 1 and Tower2 and...oddly enough, Building 7. Ok...I see the problem with those guys. Timothy McVeigh was allegedly acting in retribution for what happened at Waco, which was a huge debacle but did not give him any justification for what he did and no American has done anything like that since. So I can't say that I fear terrorism from my typical fellow American...but, hey, you can't legislate away pathology and aberrant behavior. That brings us to liberals that want abortion until the age of 3, lolololol, and want to tax people to death to be indemnified from their own failure. Right? Sure. Sorry, fightdirecto, other than Islamic fanatics, I really don't fear any group as far as my safety is concerned. As far as my financial security, however, I fear and hate liberals and for good reason. HEY!! I guess that means I have my own hate group!!! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:43:54 AM

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reformedmusings.wordpress.com
americaswatchtower.com
www.military.com

what PAGE on these sites says:

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And the Obama administration considers, according to a report by his DHS head, and supported by public statements from both Pelosi and Reed, American military veterans to be the single greatest terror threat.

I am a veteran as well.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:43:56 AM

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You can always tell what leftists fear.. it's what they attack.. and what they attack, they do themselves. "Hate" is just another way for them to censor. Republicans? A hate party. HATE. Conservatives? Oh yes, that's hate speech. See how easy it is? Oh, and "she's stupid, he's stupid" like they know anything about smart. And since when is "smart" a characteristic of a great leader? IT ISN'T. That's why I believe liberalism is a form of mass hysteria or mental illness.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:44:57 AM

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If you don't know who McVey was you shouldn't be talking about domestic terror. Tell me have you ever heard of the Oklahoma City bombing??? Or were you busy watching Big Bird and friends.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:45:40 AM

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McVeigh.

just sayin.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:49:13 AM

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I didn't need the sites I remember it and took the initial statements with a grain of salt till Pelosi and company started defending it. Then of course they tried to claim it never happened. Veterans such as yourself deserve respect not this trash.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:51:47 AM

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I think what you're referring to is Michelle Malkin spin:

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/7/7/95533/80670

In a recent interview (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse- all-issues/2011/summer/inside-the-dhs-former-top-analyst-says-age ncy-bowed), published in the Summer 2011 edition of the SPLC's Intelligence Report, Johnson acknowledged that the "Rightwing Extremism" report came about as a result of four questions asked of his team by Napolitano: "Are we seeing a rise in domestic terrorism? If so, is it related to the election of a black president? What are the chances of it escalating to violence? And what are we going to do about it?"
Johnson "has been battling extremist groups for two decades," having got "his start in the field in 1991, when he worked on counterterrorism for the U.S. Army."
In its introduction to the interview, the SPLC pointed out that although the report was "intended for law enforcement only, [it] was quickly leaked and caused a firestorm among the political right who accused DHS of painting all kinds of conservatives as potential Timothy McVeighs." Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin dubbed it Obama's "hit job" to target conservatives; others said it called everyone "on the right" a terrorist.
Conservative pushback against the report succeeded in not only getting DHS officials to claim that the report was unauthorized, but it wound up virtually eviscerating DHS' "domestic terrorism analysis unit."
According to the Washington Post, the DHS "has stepped back for the past two years from conducting its own intelligence and analysis of home-grown extremism, according to current and former department officials, even though law enforcement and civil rights experts have warned of rising extremist threats.
"The department has cut the number of personnel studying domestic terrorism unrelated to Islam, canceled numerous state and local law enforcement briefings, and held up dissemination of nearly a dozen reports on extremist groups, the officials and others said," the Post reported.
Johnson pointed out that since the 2009 report leaked, "DHS has not released a single report of its own on this topic. Not anything dealing with non-Islamic domestic extremism-whether it's anti-abortion extremists, white supremacists, 'sovereign citizens,' eco-terrorists, the whole gamut."

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:52:47 AM

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Timothy McVeigh was allegedly acting in retribution for what happened at Waco, which was a huge debacle but did not give him any justification for what he did

100% on both counts

Waco was wacko but it didn't justify Oklahoma city

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 7:55:28 AM

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See my earlier post it was the rush to justify it on the left that gave it credence to me.

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 8:01:37 AM

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I didn't need the sites

Look, you can just toss around a claim like this without a source:

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And the Obama administration considers, according to a report by his DHS head, and supported by public statements from both Pelosi and Reed, American military veterans to be the single greatest terror threat. What had they been smoking?????

or we will question what YOU have been smoking

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 8:09:57 AM

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If you don't know who McVey was you shouldn't be talking about domestic terror. Tell me have you ever heard of the Oklahoma City bombing??? Or were you busy watching Big Bird and friends.

Nobody knows who McVey is, and since I spelled the example and you answered it you should know that it is spelled McVeigh, and I might have watched Big Bird and friends but was out of the military long before the Oklahoma City Bombing (which was perpetrated by an ex-mil) which is pretty much what the report was saying....

In order to get your terrorism on, what you need basically are three things funding, supplies, and recruitment.

Funding and supplies are unfortunately a gimme.

certain Xmils have several things that make them attractive to terrorism recruitment.

I don't think I will go into a great deal of depth on this subject with you, since there is some consideration that if you are a vet, you didn't take any of the advanced military courses in your illustrious service after you got done with your AIT in potato peeling.

Do you know that some veterans are extremly susceptable to profound pstd?

Does that besmirch every veteran? Or is that just a fucking fact?

Fact. Just like it is a fact that disaffected vets are alluring to the recruiters for terrorism organizations. Fact.

No sense getting your ass up in the air over some fucking imagined slight to veterans, they are people just like you, and me and huntie and Rich and who knows?

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 8:13:35 AM

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Your post ranges from "I`m clueless to I could`t give a shit".

So you googled and couldn`t find anything......

HFS!......

Heh ... OR ... it could be he's just plain non-proficient in utilizing search engines. Some people utilizing the Internet just can't navigate their way out of a wet paper bag. One shot I got a comprehensive list of all the hate groups currently operating in Massachusetts at this time BY NAME:

Massachusetts/East Coast Hate Groups

*United Northern and Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) (No specific location)
*Council of Conservative Citizens (White Nationalist) (Boston)
*Nation of Islam (Black Seperatist) (Boston)
*National Socialist Movement - NSM (Nazi) (Boston)
*New Black Panther Party (Black Seperatist) (Boston)
*East Coast White Unity (White Nationalist) (Chelsea)
*Concerned Citizens and Friends of Illegal Immigration Law Enforcement (Anti Immigrant) (Framingham)
*North East White Pride (White Nationalist) (Haverhill)
*Jewish Defense League (General Hate) (Revere)
*The School of Christian Activism (Anti-gay) (Springfield)
*American National Socialist Workers Party (Nazi) (Stoughton)
*Mass Resistance (Anti-gay) (Waltham)
*Westboro Baptist Church - (Anti Gay)

Ain't it crazy??????? The guys in red consider themselves a minute-man group, but they're 'liked bt the BPD for a couple of murders in Roxbury. Which is NOWHERE NEAR a US Border

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RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 - 7/11/2011 8:19:27 AM

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You can always tell what leftists fear.. it's what they attack.. and what they attack, they do themselves. "Hate" is just another way for them to censor. Republicans? A hate party. HATE. Conservatives? Oh yes, that's hate speech. See how easy it is? Oh, and "she's stupid, he's stupid" like they know anything about smart. And since when is "smart" a characteristic of a great leader? IT ISN'T. That's why I believe liberalism is a form of mass hysteria or mental illness.

Oh here we go again, another discussion interrupted by fucking Tokyo Rose... "you know where your girlfriend is Joe?"

You say hate and try and pin it to anyone's chest but your own (I guarantee I can prove you use hate as a vehicle more than any poster here... got some folding money you don't mind losing?).

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