RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010

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BamaD -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 8:29:15 AM)
Didn't do any potato peeling, did do a tour at NSA though. And if you are a veteran you know that as a group they are least likely to harm the country. Many are asked to put their lives on the line daily and to assume that they are going to turn around and attack the country is insulting. It is a fact that the vast majority of veterans are fanatically loyal to the country and it is a fact that since Viet Nam it has been popular on the left to vie them as baby killers.

BamaD -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 8:33:23 AM)
Why not every left wing wacko theory goes unchallenged. You know the incident occurred why is it only the poor misunderstood Obama administration take that doesn't need to be proven.

BamaD -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 8:37:11 AM)
The fact that I remembered something then provided three sources hardly proves that I am just throwing things out there or that I have been smoking something

Owner59 -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 8:41:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I knew that any leftest claims would go unchallenged. I also new that I could count on certain people to ridicule my statement often while reenforceing it. As a veteran I resent the implications, the initial justifications and the later attempts to deny. They very sort of behavior you accuse conservatives of for getting up in the morning. Wow.....all these cons sidling for abuse and humiliation on an OP that doesn`t mention them. Defensive much? Freudian,...much? Why so much interest in denying/ignoring the groups? What`s in it for you?

BamaD -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 8:59:04 AM)
Thank you for proving my point, I can always count on you for that.

BamaD -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 9:10:28 AM)
Some one pointed out one narrow minded view of terrorism I simplely pointed out another, not denying groups Nazis and their ilk should be dealt with harshly. I have personally as in present when it happened (sorry no links for this) seen the head of a Civil rights organization referring to African Americans as those people in the same tone and manner that a klansman would use. Not all but some of them are only in it for the money. The organizations may be non-profit but the organizers are not. PS I still know I can't type.

Fightdirecto -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 9:11:46 AM)
I served 27 years in the uniform of the United States Army (6 years active - to include a tour with Company P, 75th Army Rangers in Viet-Nam - and 21 years Army Reserves). I retired with the rank of Sergeant First Class in 1995. Anyone who believes that the Department of Homeland Security, by highlighting the fact that some ex-military are more inclined to be recruited by extremist Right-Wing groups than those who never served, was somehow attacking veterans is, to be kind, an empty-headed fool and the human equivalent of an ostrich hiding it’s head in the sand when confronted with danger or a threat. Based on my own 27 yaers of military experience, I can state without fear of contradiction that extremist Right-Wing groups DO try to recruit active duty and former military personnel and have had some success. They have also encouraged their younger members to enlist for one term in either the active military, the Reserves or the National Guard in order to get “free” military training to better help later in the violent overthrow of the United States government. Timothy McVeigh was NOT a “lone wolf” - he just drank more of the Kool-Aid than others. There are others like him who might strike at anytime – and who will go to their graves believing that whatever acts of terrorism they committed were actually patriotic acts.

Fightdirecto -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 9:17:21 AM)
ArizonaBoss Man wrote: quote: You can always tell what leftists fear.. it's what they attack...I believe liberalism is a form of mass hysteria or mental illness. You can always tell what Rightists fear...it's what they attack...and what they label "mass hysteria or mental illness".

lockedaway -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 9:34:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto ArizonaBoss Man wrote: quote: You can always tell what leftists fear.. it's what they attack...I believe liberalism is a form of mass hysteria or mental illness. You can always tell what Rightists fear...it's what they attack...and what they label "mass hysteria or mental illness". Jesus man....you are TOO FUNNY! Look...thanks for your military service. An ugly and dangerous job to be sure as well as overly politicized. You are most certainly a hero as is every other vet you served with. Ok...that being said, Liberals are people that want to take what other people have. Am I not correct? Read the posts of Owner and Lucy and Joether, ThompsonX (an admitted sink hole), and read how much they want to tax the life out of their fellow American. None of those....dare I say losers?....Ok...losers....will be satisfied until the successful cardiologist lives next door to them in the same cold water flat that they live in--and not one dollar before. What about it, Fight, does that describe you too? Are you all about taking money from people who earned it to give it to those that failed? Is that what you consider to be the American way or the American dream? If so, would you mind justifying why someone who is bright and ambitious and savagely hard working should have to pay for someone who is lazy, unambitious, substance addicted, anti-social or whatever explanation (other than a physical impairment or disability) applies for their failure? Go ahead...tell me about your liberalism. Tell me what you believe in. Do me a favor and leave out some of the red herring social issues like abortion. Roe v. Wade isn't going anywhere, believe me. Gay marriage is in some places but civil unions are already just about everywhere. So please, stay away from the dramatic horseshit and focus on fiscal policy, taxation, entitlement spending, etc.

mnottertail -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 9:36:46 AM)
There is no active liberal hate group that I know that wants neo-con money

BamaD -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 9:36:59 AM)
Wrote a lengthy and hopefully brilliant response. Then mistakenly erased it. Readers Digest version. Your arguing that terrorist would like to recruit military members. Of course they would. I'm arguing that they are not as likely to be inclined. You seem to feel the need to demean my service and myself because I disagree with you. I have no reason to demean you as a person and would never demean your service even if it were not as a Ranger. Finally I never said McVeigh was the only one but I resent the implication (not made by you) that he was typical. I wasn't a ranger, I had 3rd degree flat feet but I was a Arab Linguist/analyst so it's not like I did nothing and I did retire from active duty in 93.

mnottertail -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:03:51 AM)
Yeah, again so you say someone said something, specifically Pelosi, but there is no proof that they said exactly that, and you have not forwarded that, and you can argue that disaffected vets are not likely inclined but remember that someone who does life in Leavenworth and a kick is a vet, so, you are fighting some measure of evidence to the contrary ...you are the one implicating people in ways that they never were involved or intended here.

Fightdirecto -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:05:45 AM)
quote: …tell me about your liberalism. Tell me what you believe in. My “problem”, as I believe you would see it, is that I am a Christian. Jesus Christ, as recorded in the Book of Matthew, Chapter 22, verse 39 "And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Jesus Christ, as recorded in the Book of Matthew, Chapter 25, starting at verse 42 - "For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me. Then they will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” If a person is really a Christian, he or she cannot be anything else but a liberal. If a person is really a Christian, he or she has an obligation, not a choice, to help those less fortunate than himself - even if that unfortunate person is of a different racial group, a different gender or was born in a different country. Conversely, if a person is a Libertarian, a follower of Ayn Rand or a American Tea Party conservative, he or she cannot be a Christian. The core principles of Libertarians, Ayn Rand followers and American Tea Party conservative are anti-Christian and, IMO, anti-American. I understand the differences between Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Patriotism, Libertarianism, Conservatism and Liberalism - and do not use the terms interchangeably.

domiguy -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:18:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And the Obama administration considers, according to a report by his DHS head, and supported by public statements from both Pelosi and Reed, American military veterans to be the single greatest terror threat. What had they been smoking????? Hey asshat, what people want from you is to back up your words with facts. The right always seems to be a fountain of poor information. fat and ignorant is no way to go through life.

DomKen -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:20:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Didn't do any potato peeling, did do a tour at NSA though. And if you are a veteran you know that as a group they are least likely to harm the country. Many are asked to put their lives on the line daily and to assume that they are going to turn around and attack the country is insulting. It is a fact that the vast majority of veterans are fanatically loyal to the country and it is a fact that since Viet Nam it has been popular on the left to vie them as baby killers. You're claiming to have worked at NSA but not to be a veteran. Which advanced degree do you hold and from which institution? Math or Computer Science?

FirstQuaker -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:23:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto If a person is really a Christian, he or she cannot be anything else but a liberal. If a person is really a Christian, he or she has an obligation, not a choice, to help those less fortunate than himself - even if that unfortunate person is of a different racial group, a different gender or was born in a different country. Conversely, if a person is a Libertarian, a follower of Ayn Rand or a American Tea Party conservative, he or she cannot be a Christian. The core principles of Libertarians, Ayn Rand followers and American Tea Party conservative are anti-Christian and, IMO, anti-American. I understand the differences between Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Patriotism, Libertarianism, Conservatism and Liberalism - and do not use the terms interchangeably. That is a pretty arrogant statement. So just which 'Christian' church are you the pope of?

lockedaway -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:33:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto quote: …tell me about your liberalism. Tell me what you believe in. My “problem”, as I believe you would see it, is that I am a Christian. Jesus Christ, as recorded in the Book of Matthew, Chapter 22, verse 39 "And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Jesus Christ, as recorded in the Book of Matthew, Chapter 25, starting at verse 42 - "For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me. Then they will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” If a person is really a Christian, he or she cannot be anything else but a liberal. If a person is really a Christian, he or she has an obligation, not a choice, to help those less fortunate than himself - even if that unfortunate person is of a different racial group, a different gender or was born in a different country. Conversely, if a person is a Libertarian, a follower of Ayn Rand or a American Tea Party conservative, he or she cannot be a Christian. The core principles of Libertarians, Ayn Rand followers and American Tea Party conservative are anti-Christian and, IMO, anti-American. I understand the differences between Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Patriotism, Libertarianism, Conservatism and Liberalism - and do not use the terms interchangeably. AHHHHHHHH....now I understand. You are a fool. Christ was no liberal. According to the bible, Christ said that the man who does not work, should not eat. It is also in the bible that the good lord will provide, not for your desires but for your needs. You only need to do three things; have faith in God, have a plan and implement that plan every day. Christ was not a liberal and you are a sanctimonious, blasphemous, self serving, hypocritical ASS for suggesting the same. How disgusting. You invoke Jesus to steal from your neighbor. Do you believe in free will? When you give to the poor that is charity and charity is *philanthropic. When money is taken from you to redistribute to people that don't work as hard as the rest of us (usually to buy votes which is why LBJ implemented his welfare scheme in the 60's and is quoted by his aid as saying "I'll have them n**s voting democratic for the next 200 years) is TYRANNY**. So you, my friend, are a petty tyrant wrapped in the cloak of Christianity. For the record, I am Catholic. I have taken in the homeless...taken them in, fed them, washed their clothes, let them use my shower, etc. All clothes I no longer wear, I donate. All cars I have used (and used the shit out of but they still ran) got donated to organizations like Kars for Kids. I have donated to leukemia foundations and supported two children with the United Christian Children's Fund in response to an answered novena. Petty, little tyrant who has found a book to support his views.

imperatrixx -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:37:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Didn't do any potato peeling, did do a tour at NSA though. And if you are a veteran you know that as a group they are least likely to harm the country. Many are asked to put their lives on the line daily and to assume that they are going to turn around and attack the country is insulting. It is a fact that the vast majority of veterans are fanatically loyal to the country and it is a fact that since Viet Nam it has been popular on the left to vie them as baby killers. Once you're "fanatically" anything there is a problem. "Loyal to the country" means different things to different people. When there was all that talk about the "Ground Zero Mosque" both sides felt the way they did due to patriotism. One side felt that embracing freedom of religion was loyal to America, the other side felt that a mosque represented the people who attacked America. Really just about anything can be viewed as patriotism in the right mindset. Nazis were patriotic. Japanese internment camps were patriotic. When people become fanatically patriotic it's a recipe for disaster.

Kirata -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:39:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto My “problem”, as I believe you would see it, is that I am a Christian... If a person is really a Christian, he or she cannot be anything else but a liberal. Your problem is that you can't read. Nothing in the text you quoted requires (or even contemplates) turning your money over to the government and trusting a bunch of bureaucrats to dispense it. K.

lockedaway -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/11/2011 10:39:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imperatrixx quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Didn't do any potato peeling, did do a tour at NSA though. And if you are a veteran you know that as a group they are least likely to harm the country. Many are asked to put their lives on the line daily and to assume that they are going to turn around and attack the country is insulting. It is a fact that the vast majority of veterans are fanatically loyal to the country and it is a fact that since Viet Nam it has been popular on the left to vie them as baby killers. Once you're "fanatically" anything there is a problem. "Loyal to the country" means different things to different people. When there was all that talk about the "Ground Zero Mosque" both sides felt the way they did due to patriotism. One side felt that embracing freedom of religion was loyal to America, the other side felt that a mosque represented the people who attacked America. Really just about anything can be viewed as patriotism in the right mindset. Nazis were patriotic. Japanese internment camps were patriotic. When people become fanatically patriotic it's a recipe for disaster. Loyal to the country can mean different things. Patriotism cannot. Patriotism is one thing and that is the love of the ideals on which your country was founded. So if you are a communist, you are not a patriotic American...it is not a question of borders, it is a matter of ideals.

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