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tweakabelle -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/13/2011 3:48:22 PM)

I'd imagine they had a hard time finding lawyers willing to give up their time for that group of lowlifes.

Still my guess is the ACLU would have been defending the right to free speech, not an alleged 'right to hate'.



FirstQuaker -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/13/2011 7:58:57 PM)

As noted, a Jewish ACLU lawyer defended them, a humiliatiation rubbed in their faces at the time.



tweakabelle -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/13/2011 8:10:18 PM)

Well good on the lawyer whoever he was. He had the integrity and courage to stick to his principles. Even though he must have loathed the very people he was representing, he was able to put his principles ahead of his personal feelings. Such admirable behaviour - not something most lawyers are noted for is it?

The humiliation his clients must have endured contained a salient lesson for them, if they were bright enough to grasp it (doubtful!)

Tho I am afraid I am still unable to see how this can be said to support the claim that the ACLU can be seen as a hate group.



imperatrixx -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/13/2011 8:21:17 PM)

Because wanting civil liberties and justice for all is a way that liberals show they truly hate the principles that America was founded on - namely that black people were property, that women should have no say in government, and people living on their native soil that get in the way of American expansionism need to be eliminated.



tweakabelle -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/13/2011 8:29:27 PM)

Thx for clarifying that for me imperatrixx.

Now I understand why that statue of the French woman on the water in New York is so offensive to real proper American values.



FirstQuaker -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/13/2011 8:42:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

Because wanting civil liberties and justice for all is a way that liberals show they truly hate the principles that America was founded on - namely that black people were property, that women should have no say in government, and people living on their native soil that get in the way of American expansionism need to be eliminated.


Actually you understand little.

Canada and Australia were also founded on similar principles, and red, black, and yellow people were treated no better north of the border then they were south of it., here in North America.

You are merely looking at a continuation of the 500 year long fight to dump the European colonial principles (Usually British, though the Spanish, French  and Dutch were not slackers) continuing. As for the ACLU they have defend some pretty raw people 's rights, Klansman, the Nazis and such, on civil rights or free speech grounds over the years

But I am digressing, tweekabell's comment was that about  human rights organization defending a hate group being incomprehensible, and I was pointing out that is not entirely impossible or unheard of.



tweakabelle -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/13/2011 11:50:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker


But I am digressing, tweekabell's comment was that about  human rights organization defending a hate group being incomprehensible, and I was pointing out that is not entirely impossible or unheard of.



The point I was trying to make was a human rights organisation defending the 'right to hate' didn't make a lot of sense. I have no problem understanding people like the ACLU defending the right to free speech nominally on behalf of some vile loathsome client like a hate group.

Bigots have the same right to free speech as you and I. (Whether that right ought be qualified if it's used to promote hate or violence is another discussion)



FirstQuaker -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/14/2011 12:00:50 AM)

The ACLU works on that principle which is not always understood by those examining its actions.

Actually the way they decide their cases, is to have a  panel meet, which normally includes a few lawyers, and discuss just what cases and fights they should take one, and then how they should go about the ones they decide to pursue. I have attended one of them, as an observer. The one in Seattle used to meet in the Smith Tower on a monthly basis.



tweakabelle -> RE: 1,002 active hate groups in the United States in 2010 (7/14/2011 12:31:37 AM)

In a very similar vein FQ, I have a dyke friend who's a barrister (attorney).

Here, barristers don't a choice over which briefs (cases/defendants) they take on. My poor friend ended up defending a murderer who insisted on using the Homosexual Panic Defence (HPD)*, also known as the Gay Panic Defence. She was subjected to some pretty nasty treatment from some sections of the LBGT communities, who either weren't aware of, or were unable/unwilling to understand her professional obligations. She went through anguish over the case and the vile creep she had to defend.

* This is wiki's account of HPD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense.
Here's a more scholarly analysis of HPD: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/law/lwsch/journals/bctwj/21_2/03_TXT.htm



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