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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/12/2011 11:30:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems it is the general consense from what I gather, that I need a good deal of research and meditation on my topic and a more conscious and delicate exposition of my of view. I agree that it was superficial and careless and will give the appropriate consideration in the near future. Thank you all for the moments taken out of your lives for indulging and correcting me.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/12/2011 11:46:43 AM   
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The thing you have to keep in mind is that everybody is different, even those aspects of them that seem the same...aren't. We're all individuals.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/12/2011 1:48:34 PM   
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That being said, I'm not one of those people. I can feel it in my heart and gut every night when I go to sleep that I am not practicing what I most fervently believe. So this isn't me saying that I am so enlightened. But people who manage to do it? Yes, I think they have a certain something that others who are still in the dark or denial about themselves haven't yet achieved.



What keeps you from finding out and practidcing what you fervently "believe"?




Veganism. I've gone for long stretches here and there, but mostly, I just suck at it. I struggle with how my actions conflict with my beliefs. (Um....because I'm lazy. I know it. I'm not at the point yet where I find veganism to be easy. It's hard for me.)

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/12/2011 2:52:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just because the op spends his life in rebellion to the religious orthodoxy he was raised in, does not mean that there are not people who are both truly self aware and in harmony with their religion. I ran into a woman this week I haven't seen in five years, and she's proud as punch that her daughter has just been accepted into the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College. This young woman does not believe it's nonsense and neither do her professors nor any members of the shul here in town. Her mom and I speculated on the fact that our rabbi now will be just about ready to retire when she's ready to look for her first post. And why shouldn't she complete the cycle and come home to lead the congregation that nurtured her?

The fact that the op cannot conceive of anyone having true faith says to me he is not at all self aware, he's still trapped in responding to thing he was exposed to years ago instead of acting freely.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/12/2011 2:57:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Celeste - that's not what he said at all.  He said "SOME"... I for one think killing fags for Jesus is a ridiculous religious belief.  But if you think that it would be better to hold onto that....

See what I mean?  taking some part of what you say and blowing it up into ALL? 

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/12/2011 6:55:30 PM   
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p.s.- God DOES exist; quit looking, and start watching and listening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/12/2011 8:02:00 PM   
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DesFIP: anyone having true faith
it isn't true if what you have faith in is false.

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MasterMagnus321: God DOES exist; quit looking, and start watching and listening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no he doesn't. watching and listening AND thinking will show you that to be true.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 7:35:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Celeste - that's not what he said at all.  He said "SOME"...



I must have missed that due to his vehemence and his false belief that mental and emotional illnesses have no basis in problems with brain chemistry.

I know that's false because if it were true then those of us who do wiitwd would by definition have no mental or emotional illnesses. Nor would my great grandfather have passed the mood disorders down through my family. I only use psychiatrists who are knowledgeable in genetic mood disorders, not in those who treat religious fervor which has crossed the line into being a paraphilia.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 1:58:30 PM   
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I just want to share something I have been thinking for a while. I believe that people who are into certain life styles, and not just here, but people who are in touch with their nature, their urges (wathever they may be), their personal needs, are more mature, more fulfiilled, accomplished. Not just that, but they seem to have an overall higher self-confidance, strenght of character and dependability.

As opposed to being in denial and repression, bound by SOME cultural spiritual and religious nonsensical rules and beliefs. Not to mention anachronic. Which in itself can lead to  psychosomatic disturbancies.

I wonder if anyone else feels the same .


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i wouldn't ever think to say what anyone else is or isn't. i think alot of people are true to themselves, it's how they are to others that is not true. it is probably the fear of what they really are repelling others that makes them keep it to themselves until they find something like this place. i was in exactly that position with my ex to an extent, i gave him one part of me while keeping back another. it didn't mean i didn't know what i wanted though. then we split up and my way of thinking about what i want and need has changed. at the time of being with him i knew what i wanted, but thought i had to conform to certain ideals to get it and so stayed in a relationship to get what i thought i needed.

these days i see that i am never going to have what i would like, not need, but would like. however, i am happier now than i have been for many years and sexually i have someone with whom i have shared all parts of what i'd like that i know of. i say 'know of' because he and i have been exploring things that i would never have thought of as horny and a turn on before, and it's the same for him. but we are by no means 'there' yet as we still have so much more exploring of each other to do. it is great fun, it's liberating, it's many things but it's only one area of life. yes i'm more fulfilled, yes i am more confident about myself but that is because of the way he is with me and what that enables me to give. my strength of charactor is the same and i'm as dependable as i ever was.

now i simply don't believe that anyone has their whole life, and personal self, better just because they are liberated sexually. certain lifestyle choices don't make you a better balanced person, in fact it can be quite the oposite from some of the people i've encounted within bdsm and swinging.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 2:17:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Celeste - I get where you're coming from.  To me, he's a dude who is figuring stuff out.  He realized that coming out is a generally healthy thing to do.  I agree with that.  He didn't pick the best words that would have made him better understood, but hey - I often don't too!

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 3:55:30 PM   
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DesFIP: anyone having true faith
it isn't true if what you have faith in is false.


Uh, yeah it is. Faith means "complete trust or confidence in someone or something." The definition doesn't include the part that it has to be "true."
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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 4:14:52 PM   
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Uh, yeah it is. Faith means "complete trust or confidence in someone or something." The definition doesn't include the part that it has to be "true."

and if what you have faith in is false, then the faith is misplaced and therefore it ain't fucking true.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 4:17:08 PM   
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Uh, yeah it is. Faith means "complete trust or confidence in someone or something." The definition doesn't include the part that it has to be "true."

and if what you have faith in is false, then the faith is misplaced and therefore it ain't fucking true.



QFT

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 4:22:06 PM   
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SUPER powerful discourse. I agree that what you're talking about IS Self-Actualization, which is MY goal. Read Maslow, and Blessed Be.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 4:25:23 PM   
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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 4:38:29 PM   
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I wonder if anyone else feels the same .

Nope


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 4:38:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		nope, i don't believe in any 'god' at all. i know science and i know our planetary history, therefore i know there is no god. it's not blind faith, it's hard facts.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 7:55:45 PM   
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Hey Celeste - I get where you're coming from.  To me, he's a dude who is figuring stuff out.  He realized that coming out is a generally healthy thing to do.  I agree with that.  He didn't pick the best words that would have made him better understood, but hey - I often don't too!

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Being self aware is a wonderful thing, and too rarely achieved. Here as well as elsewhere. But you don't become self aware by telling others what to believe in or not. You do so by discovering what you believe in, what is true for you. Not by bashing everyone else.

And that's why I don't think he's achieved too much of it yet, because he's still reacting and not acting from his inner beliefs. Just reacting to what his parents believed in. And to me, that's a very immature and adolescent attitude.

Unfortunately it's all too common. See Hannah's posts for another example. If all you can do is try to tear down others, then you aren't self aware. You're just another rebellious teen.

And since The Man and I have 5 between the ages of 18 and 23, I don't have much patience for those childish attitudes in a presumably adult site.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 9:09:00 PM   
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And that's why I don't think he's achieved too much of it yet, because he's still reacting and not acting from his inner beliefs. Just reacting to what his parents believed in. And to me, that's a very immature and adolescent attitude.

Unfortunately it's all too common. See Hannah's posts for another example. If all you can do is try to tear down others, then you aren't self aware. You're just another rebellious teen.

And since The Man and I have 5 between the ages of 18 and 23, I don't have much patience for those childish attitudes in a presumably adult site.
so you're really just another rebellious teen then?

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 10:29:52 PM   
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