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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/13/2011 10:37:38 PM   
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Doesn't it take just as much faith to be an atheist or agnostic as it does to believe in God?
Not at all, that question shows a profound lack of understanding of the question. There is no overt proof of the existence of God, therefore faith is required to believe one exists, not the other way round. How much faith does it take for you to believe that there are no armies of killer zombie robots marching down the street outside your house right now?

Why none at all, because there is no evidence whatsoever of such an army, therefore it takes no faith to not believe in it.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/14/2011 2:44:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a yes and no question. Some people are happier and and more confident when they belong to a group of some type and follow the mores of the group. That group could be religious, intellectual or BDSM related. It's whatever the individual decides is important to him/her. The desire to fit in is powerful. But others are happier going it alone and disregarding the values of groups. I tend to be more of a skeptic and follow the latter at this stage in my life. I find my humanistic validation with individuals I know.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/14/2011 3:38:14 AM   
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I think alternative lifestyles are very enlightening to the people involved. Once you're a part of something that does no harm to others but that the public look down upon, you get a sense of how unfounded bigotry and discrimination really are.

This is my nomination for the wisest post so far.

In my experience, successfully challenging inherited wisdoms and constructing one's own truth that is true for oneself is liberating and affirming.

I'm left wondering why everyone doesn't do it. And grateful that my kinks opened the door for me. I suspect everyone has choices like this in life, though the things that open doors to those choices for different people can vary widely.

However, someone still had to walk through the open doorway and not everyone does. I'm glad I did.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/14/2011 5:06:08 AM   
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Doesn't it take just as much faith to be an atheist or agnostic as it does to believe in God?
Not at all, that question shows a profound lack of understanding of the question. There is no overt proof of the existence of God, therefore faith is required to believe one exists, not the other way round. How much faith does it take for you to believe that there are no armies of killer zombie robots marching down the street outside your house right now?

Why none at all, because there is no evidence whatsoever of such an army, therefore it takes no faith to not believe in it.


I have had overt proof during my life, which is why I have faith that there is something greater than us all. No profound lack of understanding at all.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/15/2011 4:14:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm about ready to take a tazer gun to my brain now! Dude, there are a shit load of people in this lifestyle as well as not into it... that lack self-confidence, character, dependability and all that happy horse shit. Hell, some people are so obsessed with these urges that they lie, cheat, get caught up in it, ain't dependable and etc. LOL WOW, you really don't have a clue as to the dysfunction levels here in BDSM Nirvana too. Same as the rest of the world.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/15/2011 8:27:04 AM   
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I have had overt proof during my life
bullshit

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/15/2011 10:06:21 AM   
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I'm about ready to take a tazer gun to my brain now! Dude, there are a shit load of people in this lifestyle as well as not into it... that lack self-confidence, character, dependability and all that happy horse shit. Hell, some people are so obsessed with these urges that they lie, cheat, get caught up in it, ain't dependable and etc. LOL WOW, you really don't have a clue as to the dysfunction levels here in BDSM Nirvana too. Same as the rest of the world.


I have to agree with this. I will never understand why some people find it necessary to put this "lifestyle" on a pedestal. When you do so, it demonstrates a need to boost your own ego.

People who are proud of what they do, do not need to shove this type of philosophy down other's throats. They just do their thing.

I don't mind anyone questioning the world or life or wanting to become self actualized, but really, enough with the "we are superior because we embrace kink" brigade.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/15/2011 1:24:55 PM   
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I have had overt proof during my life
bullshit

Not bullshit at all. I have had things happen in my life that give me faith that there is something greater than us all out there.

You may have not had the same experiences, but that does not make mine any less real. It certainly does not make them bullshit.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 12:21:30 AM   
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Not bullshit at all. I have had things happen in my life that give me faith that there is something greater than us all out there.

personal experiences that give you faith are not fucking proof, and they sure as fuck aren't overt. if you really do have overt proof, as you claimed, let's see it. put up or shut up.

what is it with these fucking theists? always claiming to have proof but never able to actually provide any. do you guys really expect those of us with the ability to reason to just take your word for it?


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 1:52:45 AM   
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I just want to share something I have been thinking for a while. I believe that people who are into certain life styles, and not just here, but people who are in touch with their nature, their urges (wathever they may be), their personal needs, are more mature, more fulfiilled, accomplished. Not just that, but they seem to have an overall higher self-confidance, strenght of character and dependability.

As opposed to being in denial and repression, bound by SOME cultural spiritual and religious nonsensical rules and beliefs. Not to mention anachronic. Which in itself can lead to psychosomatic disturbancies.
what the fucking fuck?

what you just wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things i've ever fucking read. everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. may god have mercy on your soul.



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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 4:53:03 AM   
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Not bullshit at all. I have had things happen in my life that give me faith that there is something greater than us all out there.

personal experiences that give you faith are not fucking proof, and they sure as fuck aren't overt. if you really do have overt proof, as you claimed, let's see it. put up or shut up.

what is it with these fucking theists? always claiming to have proof but never able to actually provide any. do you guys really expect those of us with the ability to reason to just take your word for it?


Prove to me there is nothing greater than us all. Your mind is made up, so there is no reason for me to waste the keystrokes telling you the things I have seen that prove to ME that my faith is not misplaced.

My ability to reason is perfectly fine, but thanks for caring. I don't expect you to take my word for anything. Please extend me the same courtesy.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 5:26:15 AM   
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I just want to share something I have been thinking for a while. I believe that people who are into certain life styles, and not just here, but people who are in touch with their nature, their urges (wathever they may be), their personal needs, are more mature, more fulfiilled, accomplished. Not just that, but they seem to have an overall higher self-confidance, strenght of character and dependability.

As opposed to being in denial and repression, bound by SOME cultural spiritual and religious nonsensical rules and beliefs. Not to mention anachronic. Which in itself can lead to  psychosomatic disturbancies.

I wonder if anyone else feels the same .


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 5:57:29 AM   
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Not bullshit at all. I have had things happen in my life that give me faith that there is something greater than us all out there.

personal experiences that give you faith are not fucking proof, and they sure as fuck aren't overt. if you really do have overt proof, as you claimed, let's see it. put up or shut up.

what is it with these fucking theists? always claiming to have proof but never able to actually provide any. do you guys really expect those of us with the ability to reason to just take your word for it?


Prove to me there is nothing greater than us all. Your mind is made up, so there is no reason for me to waste the keystrokes telling you the things I have seen that prove to ME that my faith is not misplaced.

My ability to reason is perfectly fine, but thanks for caring. I don't expect you to take my word for anything. Please extend me the same courtesy.


the thing is is that science and evolution disprove a huge amount of what your faith is based on. there is no overt proof of any god at all from any religion. not only that, but 'god' is never seen when the shit hits that fan. those of us who don't believe in an entity see things for what they are, natural progression. the universe is 13billion years old and we were not the first things to live here on this planet.

'god' made us in his own form.....really? logical science disproves that.
'god' made eve from adam's rib....really? when in actual fact life is based on the FEMALE first, not the male, hence why they have nipples too.
'god' dictates that you'll have no other idols other than HIM (based on the fact that the female is prevelant then god is female surely?) and yet there are how many faiths that contradict each other? who's actually right, which is the real 'god'?

there's tons of stuff to disprove god in any shape or form. it's human nature to want to believe that all this just isn't pointless and there is something more. people need to believe that they have a higher figure watching over them yadda yadda yadda.

the thing is, there is no overt proof at all that god exists. i'll give religion this though, it's a great way to make a fortune for those high up. it's a great way to get land, and both of those things sure as hell create alot of death with the wars fought over them.

have your beliefs, it's all cool, but don't claim something you can not proove beyond doubt. your faith is placed in the hope that something exists above you and you will look at things and place significance on them that is only there because you want to believe that is the case. no-one can say that 'god' DOES exist for a fact, because there are no solid facts to back it up. the bible for instance is one book that science tears to shreds. religion is also rather convenient about when the rules apply and who to.

for those of us who believe in science and evolution, well i guess it's going to take more than a maybe. i'll stick with the facts.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 6:03:45 AM   
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the thing is is that science and evolution disprove a huge amount of what your faith is based on.


The thing is that faith is a very personal thing. Personally I believe in God and Jesus Christ but not the religious stuff that seem to be part and parcel of that belief for most people. So science has nothing to do with it for me, my faith is strong regardless of the "proof" science has or doesn't have that He does not exist.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 6:10:10 AM   
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the thing is is that science and evolution disprove a huge amount of what your faith is based on.


You have no idea what my faith is based on, so that is garbage.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 6:25:47 AM   
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the thing is is that science and evolution disprove a huge amount of what your faith is based on.


You have no idea what my faith is based on, so that is garbage.


no it's not. all religion is based around a greater being that created the earth and the people on it, which is bs. so you have faith in what? i believe jesus was a man, a real human being. i believe he had some talents, there are guys around now who are the same. but society is wiser to the ways of tricks and so on. if all you are saying is that god is real but the rest was just made up then that's the biggest crock of crap i've heard.

the egyptians had it as most right as it's going to get in that they worshipped Rah, the sun god. at least that makes sence for without the sun we're all fucked. the sun is the bringer of life; this earth we walk enables it to thrive and neither of those two things have anything to do with a god.

so what.....this entity just floats around taking the glory for everything that exists because people choose to believe that way.

what's the purpose of god? what's the point? faith in god of any kind is blind. you still can't prove beyond doubt that 'he' exists. it only exists to those who believe, but faith is based on what a person wants to believe, not hard facts.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 6:32:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		i'm not a particularly religious person, but i don't really understand why people who don't believe in god go out of their way to insult those who do. they always claim to be railing against some "larger mass" of people who perpetrate XYZ on behalf of religion, yet all of their ranting is aimed towards people who AREN'T doing that.

whutev.

believe what you want; you have no reason to justify it to anyone else. even if they bait you by attacking your ability to reason. if hyperbole and personal attack is their only means for "winning," then let them have it.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 6:44:56 AM   
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i'm not a particularly religious person, but i don't really understand why people who don't believe in god go out of their way to insult those who do. they always claim to be railing against some "larger mass" of people who perpetrate XYZ on behalf of religion, yet all of their ranting is aimed towards people who AREN'T doing that.

whutev.

believe what you want; you have no reason to justify it to anyone else. even if they bait you by attacking your ability to reason. if hyperbole and personal attack is their only means for "winning," then let them have it.

Damn. You are cute and smart! I am gonna take your advice.


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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 7:07:50 AM   
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i'm not a particularly religious person, but i don't really understand why people who don't believe in god go out of their way to insult those who do. they always claim to be railing against some "larger mass" of people who perpetrate XYZ on behalf of religion, yet all of their ranting is aimed towards people who AREN'T doing that.

whutev.

believe what you want; you have no reason to justify it to anyone else. even if they bait you by attacking your ability to reason. if hyperbole and personal attack is their only means for "winning," then let them have it.



here's the thing though, i'm not attacking anyone, and most certainly not intending to insult, much as those who claim that god exists when we say he doesn't are not. i'm defending against those who state that there IS A GOD. no, they believe there is a god and that is different. there are no hard facts to say there is a god of any sort, but there is always the claim of 'overt facts' to prove from one fraction or another. however, when asked to present those facts they just don't stand up. again it is a want to believe in something and so significence is put to something that isn't proof at all. it's not solid hard fact.

i don't believe in any god at all simply because the facts of science prove that most of it is rubbish. however, i don't go out of my way to tell others they are wrong, but they do. for those who believe it is always seen that anyone who says anything against it is attacking, when actually we are usually asking for proof when they claim they have it.

the point is is that there is a huge difference between faith and fact. so claim your belief all you like, and rock on for you (generic) but don't claim you have proof unless you can back it up. because if that is what is claimed, proof, then the none believer will ask to see it. if you can't/won't show it then it will be labled as bs so don't get all snarky about it when it is.

so you see Lilly, what you say works both ways.

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RE: Being true to yourself - 7/16/2011 7:07:50 AM   
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I have had overt proof during my life
bullshit

Not bullshit at all. I have had things happen in my life that give me faith that there is something greater than us all out there.

You may have not had the same experiences, but that does not make mine any less real. It certainly does not make them bullshit.


Faith is not real.

It is belief.

I can believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny but that does not make them real.

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