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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 1:53:14 PM

TheGorenSociety

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Been there done that, have spent tons of money on lawsuits against them on more then one occasion.You can win, but it does take tenacity and a lot of due diligence on your part. I will never ever even under the threat of death, will I ever join another HOA . I own property in the middle of no where as a result of having to deal with HOA"s.If you have the ability, get out of the cities while you can, build your own house, live sustainably.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 2:18:51 PM

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If you have the ability, get out of the cities while you can, build your own house, live sustainably.

someone after my own heart. =)

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 2:21:05 PM

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I kind of like my little farmette. The only rules are MY rules!

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 2:34:15 PM

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I have personally known homeowners associations who spent more on legal fees than maintenence.

Remember, they are not governmental and therefore they do not come under 'sunshine laws'.

There are a lot of deals made by a small clique in someone's kitchen. Call a meeting, establish a quorum (said clique) and voila. Supid rules tailor made to fuck with someone they deem to be "the enemy"

Ive seen it.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 4:08:39 PM

juliaoceania

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i don't ever want to live in a place with a homeowners association.
EVER.

I never do either. I know many people who have purchased homes in such situations, and while they like that situation, I never would.

If these sorts of associations begin to hurt property values as opposed to increase them, I would bet that there would be less and less of them.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 4:12:08 PM

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So.....they're not that bad, unless you want to do something that's against policy, and there really aren't any unsensible policies where I am.

I know of places where they stipulate what sort of exterior paint color that you can use, what sort of landscaping you can have, and even are militant about grass cutting.... which grass can grow very quickly if the weather conditions are ideal... no thanks!

I would prefer to live in an older established neighborhood with custom craftsman like homes. I am actually looking into what it will take to get one and restore it.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 4:21:17 PM

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So.....they're not that bad, unless you want to do something that's against policy, and there really aren't any unsensible policies where I am.

I know of places where they stipulate what sort of exterior paint color that you can use, what sort of landscaping you can have, and even are militant about grass cutting.... which grass can grow very quickly if the weather conditions are ideal... no thanks!

I would prefer to live in an older established neighborhood with custom craftsman like homes. I am actually looking into what it will take to get one and restore it.

My condo is in a historic district. (It looks just like a 1700's house on the outside, not a "condo.") Not only does the town (not an association) dictate house paint color, but also what materials we use for our building (for example, our doors and windows must be solid wood). There are a good number of rules about the appearance of our property mandated by the town. It's definitely an older, established neighborhood. Even without the historic district, zoning laws and the like make for rules that must be followed.

One day....one day....I will be on the side of a mountain in a cabin with my wood stove and giant wall of books, chuckling at the worker bee driving to work every day and paying condo fees, just another notch to hold another spoke to keep the wheel of inane efforts toward shallow self fulfillment rolling .....wait....dammmit...that's me. Fuck a duck.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 4:23:09 PM

Kaliko

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I kind of like my little farmette. The only rules are MY rules!

I'm envious. This thread has me thinking how much I hate the rules.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 4:28:03 PM

LillyBoPeep

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i miss the acres back home. =p the city kinda rubs me the wrong way. a homeowners association would just be out of the question.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 5:09:04 PM

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The more of your stuff I read, the more of it I like.

I read this story earlier today. Blows my mind that a home owners association can foreclose. Absolutely mind-boggling the twisted trail of laws that had to be created to allow such bs.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 5:31:16 PM

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i don't ever want to live in a place with a homeowners association.
EVER.

This. What is the point of 'owning' a home if some tinpot HOA dictators can issue 'assessments' until you are broke then sell it out from under you, or fine you for kissing in the driveway or hanging out in your own fucking garage? Limits on the size of your dogs and the height of your grass? Fuck that, I'd rather rent!

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 5:45:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

quote:

i don't ever want to live in a place with a homeowners association.
EVER.

This. What is the point of 'owning' a home if some tinpot HOA dictators can issue 'assessments' until you are broke then sell it out from under you, or fine you for kissing in the driveway or hanging out in your own fucking garage? Limits on the size of your dogs and the height of your grass? Fuck that, I'd rather rent!

It really doesn't always have to be so awful. It is dependent on the people, not on the fact that an association exists. Assessments are voted on and homeowners are given ample time to pay - it's never sprung up out of nowhere. There are those who have trouble paying, of course. There was one couple in my first association that was very, very behind. There was never any discussion of anything like foreclosure. The Board worked with them for payment arrangements.

I wouldn't choose to do it again. My next home will be one that I have sole decision-making authority for. But, despite my jokes in previous posts, my experiences have been pretty much positive and my current (albeit, very tiny) association is a good team.

Only the awful ones make the news.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 5:58:46 PM

masternoname

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I think if someone is dumb enough to move into the situation and agree to live by the rules then they will have to live with it. One of the main reasons I will never live under these kinds of rules. Not sure what that has to do with big government. If you are against some snot nosed president of the association running things why would you want big daddy to do it and have no choice in the matter.

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Here's a question for those who hate "big government":

How do you feel about private homeowners' associations fining people for outdoor kissing and hanging out in their garages? How do you feel about homeowners being ineligible for a hearing? Would you now agree that in some cases, privitization can lead to less, rather than more freedom?

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 6:35:57 PM

erieangel

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No homeowners association for me. I live in a 120+ year old house in an inner city neighborhood and I love it.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 6:46:30 PM

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I have lived in a building for over 30 years with a homeowner's association ( about 35 units)...the thing is.... a lot of people don't want to step up and be on the board. It's kind of like..if you don't vote in an election don't complain about what laws are passed or who gets elected...They spend their time making sure the building or community they are in runs properly or even runs at all......They can get power hungry but if you are not one who wants to spend your time on the board don't complain...I think the bigger complexes have more strict things going on from what I have seen on TV though...

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 6:58:35 PM

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Neighbor-vs-neighbor-as-apf-2524543580.html?x=0
I understand them wanting to keep properties looking nice, but what right do they have to control non-violent behavior? I couldn't imagine living in a neighborhood where I could be fined for kissing in my own driveway.

well there are pros and cons to HOAs. Some people believe that an HOA keeps property values up, I dont know if this is true or not. There are aspects of HOAs that I am not impressed with..

One area i was looking at is in a gated and guarded community/HOA, its actually a small gated city... the thing that struck me tho was looking at the crime stats for that area versus other areas, the crime rate was very low and not only that, the number of people living there with previous sexual convictions was extremely low. Hmmmmm

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 6:58:53 PM

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One has to remember Condominium Associations and Home Owners Associations are governed by two different statutes and the content of those statutes very state by state. In addition Sunshine Law’s play a significant roll but of infinitely more importance are the Association Documents and Bylaws.

Prior to the Association taking over from the Developer the industry standard and State laws provide for a not for Profit Corporation being formed and the Association Documents along with Bylaws and Rules and Regulations registered in the city, county and State the Association is located in.

Purchasers are supplied with copied of these Documents and Certified Audited Financial Statements prior to purchasing; if they decide to buy a dwelling they agree to buying into the association along with all its current and future liabilities and assets. They also agree to be governed by current Association Documents including Bylaws Rules and Regulations.

During the first owners meeting the board is elected, however, at the annual owners meeting or any meeting called by over 80% of the owners any or all of the board members can be recalled and new elections held. The Documents can be rewritten by the legal firm representing the Association if the owners collectively determine the documents are not serving them in their best interest. Rules and regulations can be rewritten too and it only tales 20% of the owners to get it on the agenda.

In reference to assessments, the Finance Committee, along with the Building Committee, the Accountant and the Management Company, present to the board proposals. Those proposals are discussed at the general meeting and ruled on, unless of course emergency exists, in that case the board votes one way or the other and keep in mind board meets are required by law to have minutes and minutes are construed as Association Documents so are availed to all residents upon request.

Never lose sight of the fact the Association is owned by the owners, if there are things in the Documents Bylaws Rules or Regulations the owners collectively by 80 % or more want changed the Association Attorneys can re write the Documents at any time providing the changes are not in violation of Codes Restrictions or Sunshine or Condominium or HOA Laws.
I have built many Condominiums and HOA Housings Developments throughout Florida and I am always amazed when I hear owners complaining about the Board. Its their Association, they are responsible, the Board is simply elected residents who are capable of recall acting on their fellow residents behalf and most would much rather be fishing.

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 7:02:31 PM

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Great post! You covered a lot of the bases...

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 7:07:02 PM

juliaoceania

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My condo is in a historic district. (It looks just like a 1700's house on the outside, not a "condo.") Not only does the town (not an association) dictate house paint color, but also what materials we use for our building (for example, our doors and windows must be solid wood). There are a good number of rules about the appearance of our property mandated by the town. It's definitely an older, established neighborhood. Even without the historic district, zoning laws and the like make for rules that must be followed.

For some reason it seems different to have to maintain the historical accuracy of a building than it does to maintain some other person's ideal of what a neighborhood should be. I am all for maintaining the historic flavor of a neighborhood, but at the same time, doing things like taking Victorian mansions and making them into painted ladies can add character and atmosphere to a street...

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RE: homeowners associations - 7/12/2011 7:16:26 PM

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My nephew and a few friends snuck out of their houses one night...went down to the local pool and had a party....now believe me the familia reaction was appropriate to the offense .Dear Nephew spent most of a month under house arrest....but it seems the Homeowners Association had there objection too...during the course of the party my nephew needed tp use the bathroom...being a civilized lad he tried to use the bathroom...whic left him in full view of the closed circuit tv the HOA employs at the pool...his was the only face to show up during this inappropriate party....
We soon received a letter from the association...my nephew has been barred from the pool for the whole season....my reaction...I joined a local country club,bigger pool, choice of three golf courses(which I use to spend time with thr offending nephew...teaching him the game and lessons of responsibility)with unlimited use.....the association can kiss my ass....they know full well my nephew did not attend that party alone....further they know that some of their own children were there....but they had pictures of my nephew.....dues will be habitually late.....lol

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