LadyPact
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I want to preface this by saying that I am replying in this particular style *not* with the intention to pick your post apart. You've got some points where I agree, some I don't agree, and some that I'm teetering on the brink. You did want discussion, right? quote:
ORIGINAL: KneelingSub25 I had intense sexual fantasies of being dominated. We'd probably have some debate about fantasies = living. Not the point of your thread, so I'll move forward. quote:
Over the years I've met about a dozen "lifestyle" Dommes from CollarMe for real-time play, but the vast majority of my D/s experiences have been online. This is probably part of the issue. quote:
A few things struck me. First, I noticed that the majority of people attending were male Doms and female subs. In a crowd of 20 or 30 people, I may have been one of only 2 male subs present. I normally wouldn't split a paragraph, but this is contradictory to My experience. I don't think I've *ever* been to a munch where only two sub males attended. I think it would shock Me beyond belief. quote:
Second, I detected a general perception of "male subs" that was quite different from the perception of "female subs." This part, I do agree with. The problem on this one is how male subs are perceived when first entering the lifestyle. A good percentage of them spawn their interests from their sexual desires alone, relying more on fantasy than reality. There's no balance in it. Women tend to look more at the overall picture. quote:
Let me preface this by saying a few things: everyone was very, very nice to me. They were friendly, open, genuine, and had a sense of humor (acquired through years of life experience). In truth, they were good people, and they were quite accepting of me. So, nothing that I am about to say is a reflection on them. It is a reflection on the lifestyle generally. I didn't snip this out based solely on the fact that I'm glad you said it. Too often, folks complain about the reception that they receive at a munch. That they found the atmosphere clique-y or they feel that people should have been falling all over themselves to greet the new person, paying no attention to anybody else. Kudos on this. quote:
One female sub said, "it's good to finally meet a male submissive with a personality." I inquired further. "Lots of male subs are...just kind of creepy: they don't say anything, they leer at women, and they just want to get sexual." Would she have said the same thing about shy female subs? This kind of makes Me wonder just how many male subs in established dynamics this particular woman has met. It sounds as though her experiences with male subs are based more on the stereotype, driven by first encounters with fantasists, had a great influence in forming her opinions. quote:
Here's what I think: the majority of women in the "lifestyle" (Dominant women, submissive women, switch women) seem to regard males as unnecessary/useless/superfluous until proven otherwise. That is to say, they believe it is the duty of the male to capture the woman's attention (whether it be for D/s play or for friendship). This relates equally to male subs and male Doms. The truth is, in the enlightened age of feminism, women and men are not treated equally in the D/s lifestyle. So much to cover here! Gender aside, I don't happen to think anyone "needs" some great fulfillment that *must* be provided by an outside, unknown party. I believe that healthy people are perfectly capable of finding self-fulfillment, happiness, and joy without dependency on another human being to create those things for them. There is a difference between *wanting* to share your life with another person, instead of *needing* them to fill a void. I do agree that males do find themselves needing to capture the attention of the female. This is true in nature and is only emphasized with the imbalance of the D/s world. A strong, confident woman is not lacking for attention. If a male does not step up to become noticed, I can promise that someone else will be. No. Males and females are *not* treated equally within the D/s lifestyle. It absolutely is a woman's market, side of the kneel not withstanding. This is the very reason that female submissives have a greater opportunity of selection, have more options in selecting partners, etc than males do. There have *always* been more males interested in kink than females. This swings the balance of power. Even if the ratio is as low as 2:1, the woman is still doing the choosing between her two options. quote:
Let me contrast this approach with what I've experienced in the FinDom world (viewed by virtually all Lifestylers as being illegitimate and "fake," akin to stripping). I've encountered many, many, many bad FinDommes over the years. Many of them didn't like the lifestyle, or had no interest in learning about the lifestyle. They were in it for the money and would often say as much. In this, you are only looking at a shift of currency. quote:
However, there was a small handful of FinDommes that were exceptional. Once they realized that a sub was serious, they would get inside his mind. They would ask a lot of questions, they would show an interest in the sub. How does the sub process things? What are his quirks? What are his expectations? They set about training the male sub by engaging with him, understanding his needs, and gradually pushing his boundaries. In short, these exceptional FinDommes provided me with what almost every female sub expects from a male Dominant: engagement and interest. I would happen to think so. Many are looking at the bottom line. As a lifestyle Domme, I am looking at what makes Me happy in a compatibility factor. There is a payoff for Me in the way I feel, My satisfaction, and benefits to My happiness. The same can be said in regard to cold, hard cash. When money is provided, there is an influential reciprocation intended. Each party is getting a desire met. quote:
However, I would never expect this level of treatment from a "Lifestyle Domme." Why not? Because it's all about her and getting her needs met. Who I am as a person matters little to her. The question they all ask is this: "What can you do for me?" The question that the exceptional FinDomme asks is this: "Who are you?" First and foremost, the exceptional FinDomme wants to know her sub. This makes Me think that you, along with the female sub that was referenced above, really haven't had a lot of exposure to long term, female led dynamics. A debate for another time, perhaps? quote:
I hope that in twenty or thirty years, there will be as many male subs as female subs attending these lifestyle events. Maybe one day a male submissive can have the same expectations as a female submissive on CollarMe and other sites. Until then, when I think of "lifestyle Dominants" and "real-time D/s," I think of people like you." I have no intention of misleading anyone. I haven't been doing this for thirty years. Even with the wide spread use of the internet the ratio numbers haven't become 1:1. I honestly don't believe that I will ever see that in My lifetime. Should that time ever come, there will still be competition over the most desirable female. As for internet sites, the equality in numbers might come closer over time, but this certainly isn't that era. It just isn't that difficult, even the minimal effort of opening an account and filling out a profile, for a woman to get what she wants. It's really just not that hard for us, if we're looking to be satisfied with the thrill of the moment.
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