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PeonForHer -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 5:57:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

. . . There is a real simple way for people to AVOID the death penalty --- do you have a clue what that is . . .?


Yes . . . it's not to make the mistake of living in the USA. ;-)



Aileen1968 -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 5:59:03 PM)

No. It's not to fucking kill another person.



PeonForHer -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:03:56 PM)

Sorry, Aileen, but I like my answer much, much better.



Aileen1968 -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:07:15 PM)

That's a shame. I would have thought you'd rather not kill someone. [:(]



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:12:55 PM)

Works for me, I think there are too many people in this country already. 

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

. . . There is a real simple way for people to AVOID the death penalty --- do you have a clue what that is . . .?


Yes . . . it's not to make the mistake of living in the USA. ;-)



barelynangel -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:18:22 PM)

Peon, hey i am more than happy for anyone who plans to commit a crime in which one of the consequences to be the death penalty take their happy asses out of the US.  Maybe then we won't ever have to USE the death penalty because there won't be cases wherein that consequence is on the table because of the crime that was committed.

Unfortunately, because in this country the DEFENDANT's rights are priority, i doubt these people will decide to go live in another country so they don't need to worry about the death penalty.

Please let them go to another country, murder their citizens and be happy in knowing they won't face the death penalty.  Let other counrties deal with them who are "more civilized" than the US.  If that's what makes us civilized, i am happy keeping us a little bit untamed.

angel



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:22:01 PM)

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To me this is a legal issue,
you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. and that's why your posts on this thread are so fucking off base. try to actually discuss what i am if you're going to argue with me.



PeonForHer -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:23:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

That's a shame. I would have thought you'd rather not kill someone. [:(]


Oh no, not at all. I'm a murdering psycho, which is why I love living in the UK, amongst lots of other murdering psychos. I could never live in a place like the USA, where the death penalty has eliminated all desire to murder amongst everybody.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:25:21 PM)

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Hannah, you can stamp your feet and try and make the LAWS of this country and the states moot, but wake up call, they aren't.
they are. in the context of this discussion, they are. do try keep up barley, do try keep up.



barelynangel -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:28:17 PM)

You know that is what honestly boggles my mind.  I mean we have people here bitching and moaning about the death penalty yet there is a really simple way to AVOID ever having to use it.  Do you hear these same people bitching about the people and the crime committed to GAIN the use of the death penalty.  I mean you have to do some seriously fucked up killing to have it placed on the table.

Perhaps people need to stop and think of WHY the death sentence is actually carried out rather than taking it off the table.  Perhaps if people were more concerned about the victims of these people -- and realize there is a very simple way to avoid the death penalty, the death penalty while on the books would never have to be placed on the table.

But this society and system is PRO defendant not PRO victim. You can see it in every argument regarding why the death penalty should be outlawed. But never do these people REMOTELY state that perhaps if people stop committing these types of crimes the death penalty -- though still a consequence -- wouldn't need to be used. 

I mean hell let's put the choice back into the PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY concept.  The state may still have the death penalty but gee people have a choice to avoid same.

angel

angel



PeonForHer -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:29:33 PM)

Thank you for your contribution to this discussion, Barely.



Aileen1968 -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:31:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

That's a shame. I would have thought you'd rather not kill someone. [:(]


Oh no, not at all. I'm a murdering psycho, which is why I love living in the UK, amongst lots of other murdering psychos. I could never live in a place like the USA, where the death penalty has eliminated all desire to murder amongst everybody.


Ya know...I get that whole concept that the death penalty isn't a deterrent. I know it's not.
Bad people are bad people.
My support of it is much more selfish. I could really care less about whether it will prevent others.
All I know is that one person will never do something atrocious again
I'd much rather my sympathies side with the victims than with the murderer.
I'm able to empathize with those who have lost someone innocent than with someone who took something innocent.

And it always boils down to...how would I feel if it was someone I loved who was the victim.



PeonForHer -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:43:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
And it always boils down to...how would I feel if it was someone I loved who was the victim.


You'd want violence in return, no doubt. I understand it, but I can't condone it.



barelynangel -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 6:54:09 PM)

I guess i am different, i don't see it as violence --   I see it as a consequence no more no less.  



JstAnotherSub -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 7:03:35 PM)

Well, just got time to sit down and read this.  I did not mean for it to turn in to a death penalty thread.  The death penalty is a subject, like abortion, where no one is going to change their minds.  I was trying to get different perspectives on what you feel for the  mentally ill when it comes to hurting others and them selves. 

Since the usual suspects have come in and stomped their feet and told us, yet again, how they are calmer and more rational, and more right than anyone else who has posted to this thread, I will leave it to yall.

Those who actually discussed the things I mentioned in the OP, thanks.  I had several things to add, but now, they just don't seem worth typing.  I may actually go and puke.



sexyred1 -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 9:47:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

You may not get this but in the end, the death penalty is not inhumane, its simply a consequence of a person's actions.  There is a real simple way for people to AVOID the death penalty --- do you have a clue what that is -- or doesn't that matter in your world?

angel


Why are people NOT getting this simple statement? I think some people fell on their heads during this thread.



Arpig -> RE: Mental Health (7/18/2011 10:26:50 PM)

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Why are people NOT getting this simple statement?
Because that simple statement is wrong, it contains absolutely no truth or relevance. The death penalty IS inhumane, it IS barbaric, it IS uncivilized. Capital punishment IS state sanctioned judicial murder.

I'm not going to debate this, This isn't a debatable issue. I've argued this before on here and have, on those threads, disposed of all the asinine arguments made on this thread in favour of the death penalty, and have no intention of doing so again, go look those threads up. These are the facts of the matter:

1. If you live in a country that has the death penalty and you support it, then you are guilty of murder.
2. If you live in a country that has the death penalty and you don't support it, you are an accomplice to murder.
3. If you live in a country that doesn't have it yet support it, you are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

If you disagree with me, you are wrong and have absolutely no factual, ethical, or moral standing. There are no gray areas here. That is how it is.

To those arguing the correct position here, you're wasting your time. The primitive, uncivilized, drooling idiots who support capital punishment will never get it. They are mentally and ethically deficient, they simply do not have the intelligence or moral capacity to understand how completely and utterly wrong they are.




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Mental Health (7/19/2011 12:56:11 AM)

Actually Capital punishment is one of the most quick and painless ways ANY HUMAN BEING can die.

Its a method thats been tested tried and true to be as humane as possible. Barbaric is slowly slitting someones wrists and watching them bleed to death for hours. Inhumane is stoning to death.

If youd like to sign up Arpig, come on down to the states ill show you the difference between the two.

I am not lacking of intelligence in any way shape or form. you might think so but then your entitled to your opinion.

For those who have shown that they are not able to respect human life, their life should be taken from them.

Those that rape should be raped in the same manner that they attack their victims

Am I barbaric because of it? Possibly. Am I lacking a moral compass? Nope, I just have different shades of gray then you do.

But the great thing about this forum? Is we are all allowed to have our own opinion, with out others attacking us for it.

So if you and your little brigade wouldnt mind keeping the personal attacks to a minimum on this thread it would be appreciated.

I know its VERY hard for you but it just shows how difficult it is for you to express your opinion with out attacking others... Which might express a lot more about you then youd like.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Mental Health (7/19/2011 1:32:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

That's a shame. I would have thought you'd rather not kill someone. [:(]



Didn't help those people:

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Examples of wrongful convictions:

Arizona: Ray Krone, released in 2002

Spent 10 years in prison in Arizona, including time on death row, for a murder he did not commit. He was the 100th person to be released from death row since 1973. DNA testing proved his innocence.


Illinois: Madison Hobley, Aaron Patterson, Stanley Howard and LeRoy Orange, pardoned in 2003

Sent to death row on the basis of "confessions" extracted through the use of torture by former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and other Area 2 police officers in Chicago. They were pardoned by outgoing Governor George Ryan, who also commuted the remaining 167 death sentences in Illinois to life imprisonment.


North Carolina: Jonathon Hoffman, exonerated in 2007

Convicted and sentenced to death for the 1995 murder of a jewelry store owner. During Hoffman's first trial, the state's key witness, Johnell Porter, made undisclosed deals with the prosecutors for testifying against his cousin. Porter has since recanted his testimony, stating that he lied in order to get back at his cousin for stealing money from him.

Factors leading to wrongful convictions include:

Inadequate legal representation
Police and prosecutorial misconduct
Perjured testimony and mistaken eyewitness testimony
Racial prejudice
Jailhouse "snitch" testimony
Suppression and/or misinterpretation of mitigating evidence
Community/political pressure to solve a case




LadyConstanze -> RE: Mental Health (7/19/2011 2:03:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

That's a shame. I would have thought you'd rather not kill someone. [:(]


Oh no, not at all. I'm a murdering psycho, which is why I love living in the UK, amongst lots of other murdering psychos. I could never live in a place like the USA, where the death penalty has eliminated all desire to murder amongst everybody.


I guess that must be the reason why countries with the death penalty also tend to have the highest rate of murder per capita. Stop being so do doubtful, take Texas, it clearly works for them, capital punishment and all....

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SpiritedRadiance
Actually Capital punishment is one of the most quick and painless ways ANY HUMAN BEING can die.


Ohhh that is so sweet, really, it's your bleeding heart sympathy for them now? Before that you were on and on about how much better their life behind bars is than your life, which frankly says a lot about your life.

You know the Country Side Alliance tried to tell me some similar rubbish, they were on that the traditional fox hunting is the most human way of killing a fox, you'll pardon me for asking a similar question I asked them: How many times have you died peacefully in your sleep and how many times on an electric chair, and yes, it must be so quick to be in death row for a few years and never knowing when, really, I do wonder why not everybody who suffers from a painful, terminal illness and is denied assisted suicide just doesn't kill somebody they think deserves death to get that wonderful humane and painless way to die you advertise here?

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SpiritedRadiance

I am not lacking of intelligence in any way shape or form. you might think so but then your entitled to your opinion.



Thank you, but I didn't really need your permission, free countries you know...

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SpiritedRadiance

For those who have shown that they are not able to respect human life, their life should be taken from them.

Those that rape should be raped in the same manner that they attack their victims

Am I barbaric because of it? Possibly. Am I lacking a moral compass? Nope, I just have different shades of gray then you do.


As I said, a lot of countries agree with you, just grab a burka, those countries seem to have the same shades of grey as you do.

Now just since you said you are intelligent, I want to know your solution how you would rape a man in the same manner that he raped his victim, so assuming the victim was a woman, would you suggest giving the rapist a sex change first? I know you're all on about fairness and such, so a couple of tens or hundreds of Ks in tax payer's money shouldn't make a difference, as long as they are not living in those luxury cells that are better than your dwellings.
Who do you think should perform those "justice rapes" then? Because obviously every sane person with a moral compass would get excited about sticking it into a guy like that, I just wonder how you keep the ones that are so eager to do that away from society then, as they are obviously ticking time bombs...

Surely you must have a solution for that?



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