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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 11:12:23 AM   
HeatherMcLeather


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Status: offline 		Just because they paid it in the end doesn't mean she wasn't worried about it.

You know, always trying to score cheap points from non-issues like this just makes you look like you're intellectually deficient.

And before you accuse me of being an Obama supporter, I really couldn't care one way or another about him or any other American politician.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 11:13:01 AM   
Bishop1984


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Status: offline 		I like how the first counterpoint made in this thread sums up the entirety of the argument I have heard for universal healthcare: "But we gotta have it, mom! We have to be like everyone else or we won't be cool!"

>.>

/sadface

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 11:14:12 AM   
Musicmystery


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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 11:25:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

It has huge entertainment value as the Dems rally to cover his obvious lies on one hand, while accusing Bush of lying without any basis to do so.



this is where you idiots routinely fail. Dumb ass wilbur is worried that Huff po will influence Conservative voters and The Heretic doesn't even bother to read the article he is citing.

Here is the last paragraph...

The New York Times notes that the White House is not challenging Scott's account:

"We have not reviewed the letters or other material on which the author bases her account," said Nicholas Papas, the (White House) spokesman. "The president has told this story based on his recollection of events that took place more than 15 years ago."

In her book, published in May by Riverhead Books, Ms. Scott writes that Mr. Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, had an employer-provided health insurance policy that paid her hospital bills directly, leaving her "to pay only the deductible and any uncovered expenses, which, she said, came to several hundred dollars a month."

Mr. Papas suggested that even if Ms. Scott was correct, Mr. Obama had not mischaracterized the facts because his mother needed her disability insurance payments to cover unreimbursed medical costs.

"As Ms. Scott's account makes clear, the president's mother incurred several hundred dollars in monthly uncovered medical expenses that she was relying on insurance to pay," Mr. Papas said. "She first could not get a response from the insurance company, then was refused coverage. This personal history of the president's speaks powerfully to the impact of pre-existing condition limits on insurance protection from health care costs."


So predictable and so pathetic. Read and you might learn a thing or two.

The dumb ass Conservatives once again chime in without reading a source.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 11:32:26 AM   
TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: domiguy
The Heretic doesn't even bother to read the article he is citing.




Bullshit, DG. Where do you think I got my summary of the White House position, as stated in my original post? I even used their word, FFS.

I see in the news it's hot where you live. Maybe put a cool washcloth on the back of your neck, and try reading a bit more carefully.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 12:03:05 PM   
domiguy


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Status: offline 		lol. But the facts kind of go along with what the President said. I think it is hardly an issue. I don't see where this impeaches his character or makes him remotely dishonest.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 12:33:15 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		Sure, DG. Disability insurance, medical insurance, it's all the same, right? Hell, he could tell the same story about her having trouble getting her car fixed, and it would still be "worrying about insurance, in her final days."

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 12:39:49 PM   
erieangel


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

No, really, it's all ok. The president just recollected the facts wrong, that's all.

Obama's health care story under challenge

quote:

A new biography tells the story of Barack Obama's mother -- and undercuts a health care story long told by the president.

During his 2008 campaign -- and the 2009-10 fight to enact the health care bill -- Obama often said his mother had to battle the cancer that killed her while worrying whether health insurance would cover her medical bills.

"I remember in the last month of her life, she wasn't thinking about how to get well, she wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality, she was thinking about whether or not insurance was going to cover the medical bills and whether our family would be bankrupt as a consequence," Obama said in 2007 of his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham.

But in her book A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama's Mother, author Janny Scott reports that insurers did pay for Stanley Ann Dunham's medical bills -- it was a disability claim that came under dispute.






Spin it any way you like. I know each and every time I go to the doctor, I worry about whether the insurance is going to pay the bill. I've never had to fight with the insurance company except for my medications, but I still worry about whether they'll going to pay or leave me with a debt I can't afford.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 1:47:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

lol. But the facts kind of go along with what the President said. I think it is hardly an issue. I don't see where this impeaches his character or makes him remotely dishonest.


This is why it`s called trolling.

No one`s buying dick`s fake outrage.


Must be a slow news week.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 1:48:36 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		And those are the fears Obama was feeding, when he told his little story, Erie. I'm guessing then that fraud, waste, stagnation, loss of incentives to innovate, and inevitable declines in the quality of care for many don't enter your equation, at all.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 1:56:02 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		Ok,....down to your level......when Obama lied,no one died.


Happy now?

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 3:55:45 PM   
willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Ok,....down to your level......when Obama lied,no one died.


Happy now?



So whats your point?

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 4:11:18 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I think it's "when Obama lied, no one died," don't you?

Declarative sentence and all...

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 4:32:01 PM   
erieangel


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And those are the fears Obama was feeding, when he told his little story, Erie. I'm guessing then that fraud, waste, stagnation, loss of incentives to innovate, and inevitable declines in the quality of care for many don't enter your equation, at all.



Fraud? I see it as fraud when I and my employer pay a combined total of nearly $500/month for my health insurance and then I have to go off my psych meds because the insurance won't pay for the meds I had been taking for almost 2 years. I can't afford them, and I can't go back on medicaid--which did pay for those very same meds, btw.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 5:20:40 PM   
Politesub53


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Universal health care is a fiction. Even other industrial nation has finally figured that out.


More hubris unbacked by facts. As is your assertion that people die younger under universal healthcare.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 6:05:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

Just because they paid it in the end doesn't mean she wasn't worried about it.

You know, always trying to score cheap points from non-issues like this just makes you look like you're intellectually deficient.

And before you accuse me of being an Obama supporter, I really couldn't care one way or another about him or any other American politician.



This.


And yes,fries do go w/ that shake.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 7:04:44 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		That's not fraud, Erie. That's not understanding what the policy covers and doesn't, before you and your employer drop $500 a month (which is cheap, by many standards - that's about 2/3 of my monthly individual contribution) on something without the sort of prescription drug benefits your ongoing medicating requires.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 7:20:56 PM   
rulemylife


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You know what? I really don't care.

Universal health care is a fiction. Even other industrial nation has finally figured that out. Obamacare is a fucking disaster that does nothing, absolutelynolthing, to control health care costs. But, he finally got something through, something that will help make him a one term president . It's a pain in the neck and wast of money to repeal, and I'm sad about that.

Yes, there will be more steps from here in the future. But we're finally standing on the first step. Repeal and real reform will have a better chance after this major misstep.

I know many of you disagree. But this is what history will remember--Obama got us started down the wrong path, but it will be corrected.

And yes, I understand that Democrats, if they survive Obamas economy, will be bitching about its repeal for a century. At least theyll live longer to bitch about i then they would under Obamacare.






You know Willbeuer, you constantly post these claims.

And you constantly fail to provide any facts to substantiate them.

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 7:30:44 PM   
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I know many of you disagree. But this is what history will remember--Obama got us started.

yes, just like in Canada, Tommy Douglas is considered the father of the health care system there, guess some consider him a hero, wiki claims he is the Greatest Canadian. He was actor Keifer Sutherland's grandfather, btw.

I wonder if Obama will have that kind of following tho... so many people seem to really have a hate on for him...

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RE: Obama and that story about his mom's health insurance - 7/17/2011 8:28:46 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		"so many people seem to really have a hate on for him"

These are the sore loser-loud-mouths who had a hard time accepting their defeat in '08'.

Instead of manning up and dealing with it,they formed a fake movement claiming to be grassroots and spontaneous.From all walks and political parties.

But it was bullshit, just a bunch loser republicans , playing make-pretend and dress-up.

They weren`t serious or sincere and HAD to make up bullshit like "death panels",etc. in place of an honest argument.

They HAD to pretend they were new and dynamic, to get attention.If they said "we`re the cry-babies who just lost,now whah whah whah..."how much attention would they have gotten?


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