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ORIGINAL: erieangel

As a senator, Obama's vote for the debt ceiling didn't really matter, it got raised even with his "no" vote. He was able to stand on the his principals with that vote. He no longer has that privilege. Heaping more debt on our children and grand children is a bad thing; defaulting on our nation's debt is worse. As a senator, Obama knew that, he also knew the senate had the votes so he was given wiggle room to argue for the other side. It does not the fact that he has no wiggle room now. The debt ceiling must be raised; in fact there are arguments for eliminating the ceiling all together. If Washington could get their collective heads out of their collective arses, we wouldn't have to go through this bs every few years.
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So u think saying one thing and doing another is ok! or. Do You think maybe he was just saying that to make the president look bad.....that he really did not mean it? And that makes it ok?

Do u think spending more ....much more ...is ok? ..(we are already borrowing 43 cents on every dollar we spend). Should we go deeper into debt? Is there a limit? When we reach 50 cents on the dollar!
?....75 cents? Maybe it would be ok to live on credit alone? If we tax the rich 100% it would not be enough to substain us after, awhile the government would spend all that then where would We be.....no money and no evil rich to create jobs.....? Sounds like a plan to bankrupccy......

(in reply to erieangel)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Oh good god...he was wrong when he said that.Despite your silly child assertion that government needs to live within it's means,the basic fact is government by it's very nature engages in activities which are a benefit and indeed a necessity to future generations.Those generations need to accept some obligation for these works/activities and programs.That generation will in turn have a government that will
of necessity pass on debt to their heirs.
This is a basic fact of governing and it is readily understood by adults.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

It is getting increasingly evident that you are incapable of any substance or depth in your thinking.Tell me something is the world a warm fuzzier place when everything is so black and white/two dimensional .

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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Oh good god...he was wrong when he said that.Despite your silly child assertion that government needs to live within it's means,the basic fact is government by it's very nature engages in activities which are a benefit and indeed a necessity to future generations.Those generations need to accept some obligation for these works/activities and programs.That generation will in turn have a government that will
of necessity pass on debt to their heirs.
This is a basic fact of governing and it is readily understood by adults.

Lenders quit lending when an borrower reaches a set ratio of income to debt.......when we reach that ceiling we should stop right? Or keep soaking the rich....... Ofcourse this ignores the fact that the poor end up paying in higher prices to cover those taxes....it does not matter so long as the evil rich pay dam it! That's the adult thing to do! I get it!

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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp
The report goes on to say that then Sen. Obama voted no to raising the limit. What it did not say was Obama's comments.....that it was irresponsible to heap debt on our children and grandchildren, and it showed profound lack of leadership. (Gotta give him some credit! )

The reporter said Reagan said the same thing Obama and Timmy the tax cheat are saying......what it did not say is he said that to a democrat congress.......hummmmmm

The goverment has been spending like there is no tomorrow....BOTH democrats and republicans! Not just during one or two admin. In each and every presidency the spending has risen. During Reagan's term (w/dems congress)it went up just over 1/2 trillion, during during Clinton's term(w/rep.congress) it went up almost as much. During most of Bush's term (w/dems.congress) it was just a bit higher.......then it exploded at the end.....but all together it was a bit more...up 3/4 trillion.(till2008) then Obama w/dems congress doubled it again with another doubling by 2015...........According to economists....in past reports, when a country passes a GDP/spending ratio, job growth slows dramatically. We are approaching that ratio. No matter what they do we are about to experience inflation.....we are already experiencing increased prices.....add inflation to what's going on and we the people (not the rich in the govt.) are going to be hurting.....and the goverment, in this case the democrats, want to spend MORE!!! That's not going to help!! It will only make it worse.... There comes a time when the free money ends and the intrest on that free money swamps everything. Before anyone says Obama is offering cuts.......anyone seen them in writing? Is he talking one trillion over 10 years? A drop in the bucket? And when Reagan agreed to tax increases it was on the promises of cuts from the democrats....most of which never came......same thing happened to bush..... Should we believe them again?

WTF???

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
In a padded room......well one can hope,can't one ?

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

As a senator, Obama's vote for the debt ceiling didn't really matter,

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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp

But they will try to sell it.....liberals are an amazing collections of contradictions.....

If they had only known _________ they would not have voted that way .....
If they had only known __________they would have voted for it......

Odama knew his vote on the limit did not matter...he was only trying to make the president look bad......he really did not mean it.....he's sorry now he took that stand.....u understand.....u u u u u and u..(dont u hate it that I use u instead of typing out you?).

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ORIGINAL: ladyneedshelp

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Oh good god...he was wrong when he said that.Despite your silly child assertion that government needs to live within it's means,the basic fact is government by it's very nature engages in activities which are a benefit and indeed a necessity to future generations.Those generations need to accept some obligation for these works/activities and programs.That generation will in turn have a government that will
of necessity pass on debt to their heirs.
This is a basic fact of governing and it is readily understood by adults.

Lenders quit lending when an borrower reaches a set ratio of income to debt.......when we reach that ceiling we should stop right? Or keep soaking the rich....... Ofcourse this ignores the fact that the poor end up paying in higher prices to cover those taxes....it does not matter so long as the evil rich pay dam it! That's the adult thing to do! I get it!