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Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 7:05:43 PM

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any thoughts ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY86vnswgtw

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 7:09:51 PM

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Yes.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 7:28:53 PM

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Yes. We've been doing it in the West for 50 years, and it's been done globally since ancient times.

I have two entire bookshelves filled with various books on exactly this.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 7:31:21 PM

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I don't know about heal as in making whatever ills you go away completely but music does soothe me, it helps me to cope better with whatever is wrong but I've never had music just spontaneously heal me.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 7:49:41 PM

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It depends on what is meant by healing and what has to be healed. I think any positive influence has the potential to help but can't imagine it is enough to heal a real unless its something stress related. To be honest a lot of this world music stuff could annoy some people as much as it could soothe others.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:04:46 PM

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Different frequencies have different effects on our vibrations. This is, in fact, measurable. It is even how DNA communicates information--through transmitting and receiving frequencies (light, in this case...remember that sound and light and radio and gamma rays and so forth are the same, just in different places on the electro-magnetic spectrum). The new information medicine works in this way...by communicating the body's blueprint to problem areas. Reconnective Healing works along these lines. In fact, researcher's found that the practitioner's heart "wave" pattern will show up in the patient's brain wave pattern. Really interesting stuff--all communicated by frequency. And that's what music is--frequency and vibration.

In ancient times, it was actually regulated and carefully controlled in China and Greece. Sufi and Hindu classics also discuss the near miraculous abilities in music, even codifying it in nada yoga. Many "primitive" cultures rely on it today in dance and chant. It's an interesting field. This short blurb only scratches the surface of the surface of the surface.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:23:44 PM

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I've read about the effects of music. For example orchestra music seems to induce higher intelligence when played in the company of the very young, but that could be a statistical coincidence. This makes me wonder about the effects of rap music, I mean people don't even know how to properly donn a baseball cap. That thingie is supposed to go in front to shield one's eyes from bright sunlight. Geez, ya gotta tell some people everything.....

But more to the point, take for example the music played at a loved one's funeral. Just because I was taught a completely different concept of death, I am aware of the feelings of normal people. The decedent's favorite song for example can induce more intense greiving which can accelerate the healing process.

Also, notice that many places one might go to do aerobics etc., may play lively music. This seems to bring up people's energy levels. The cadence of the piece itself while important is not the whole story, the choice of notes and chords is quite profound for most. Think - what happens to you when you play one of your favorite songs ? Let's not even go into lyrics right now, but suffice it to say that I bevieve that they can influence people subliminally, especially if the listener likes the other aspects of the piece. What's more, lyrics or no, some music can invoke long forgotten memories.

And music has been "used" for a long time. Think of it's origin. It almost seems to be an instinct.

The OP's question begs another. If we even begin to accept that music can actually heal or impel, would it not stand to reason that it can also harm ? And don't try to avoid the fact that the psychological is very intertwined with the physiological, moreso I believe, than modern knowledge is aware.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:28:41 PM

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Yes. I am a musician who does music therapy for elders and dementia patients. It works wonders on them. Also, I use tone frequencies to drive electro applications on myself and my partners. Amazing what that A=440 will do when properly manipulated

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:35:08 PM

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Different frequencies have different effects on our vibrations. This is, in fact, measurable. It is even how DNA communicates information--through transmitting and receiving frequencies (light, in this case...remember that sound and light and radio and gamma rays and so forth are the same, just in different places on the electro-magnetic spectrum). The new information medicine works in this way...by communicating the body's blueprint to problem areas. Reconnective Healing works along these lines. In fact, researcher's found that the practitioner's heart "wave" pattern will show up in the patient's brain wave pattern. Really interesting stuff--all communicated by frequency. And that's what music is--frequency and vibration.

Um, Musicmystery, I recommend that you keep to stuff that you know and not talk pseudoscience, please?

The brain is an information processing organ that directs much of the body by means of hormones and nerve impulses. Conceivably input (of beauty) may have beneficial effect therefore, yes. Also, conceivably specific frequencies might stimulate nerve cells to release their neurotransmitters, thereby influencing the brain, which in turn may influence the body.

And of course there is very loud music, usually produced by music trolls, that pain the listener so much that endorfines are released. This results in addiction to loud music and I suspect that such endorfine addicts may easily complement their endorfine addiction with other addictive drugs such as morphine and heroin.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:36:18 PM

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"It is even how DNA communicates information--through transmitting and receiving frequencies (light, in this case...remember that sound and light and radio and gamma rays and so forth are the same, just in different places on the electro-magnetic spectrum)."

I see you got in edgwise. No problem. However the quoted part is not something which I can accept fully. I don't completely reject it, but I'm just not ready to swallow it whole.

There is some evidence to that effect though, when it comes to an individual. They paint the inside of some jails pink. There was also a strength experiment in which a person's strength is tested and then something of a certain color is put in fronnt of them and their strength level would change. We did such experiments, along with the one about males vs. females being able to lift a chair while standing bent right at a wall. I forgot the details but females could do it but males couldn't. But that's neither her nor there right now. Suffice it to say we tried everything almost.

But the communicating via DNA is something I have trouble accepting.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:46:42 PM

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No it can't heal. It can soothe, relax, change moods, and so on. All of which can be greatly beneficial to the healing process.

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Sufi and Hindu classics also discuss the near miraculous abilities in music, even codifying it in nada yoga.

That would explain why India and the Middle East were such disease free places prior to the introduction of modern medicine eh?

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:48:13 PM

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When I was younger I spent a summer working with autistic kids. There was a group of kids who were unable to communicate verbally. One of them would become so frustrated he'd start punching himself in the face, screaming. For an hour every day we'd put headphones on them and play music to them. The change was immediate. Calmness, quietness, smiles, and total responsiveness.

My nephew has aspberger's, and barouque music changes his demeanor instantly. Cure? Not in these cases, but definitely effective.

I'm a believer that music affects the soul, and the soul affects how we heal.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 8:51:42 PM

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I'm a believer that music affects the soul, and the soul affects how we heal.

A little flowery, but yeah, I'll buy that.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 9:36:53 PM

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I'm a believer that music affects the soul, and the soul affects how we heal.
A little flowery, but yeah, I'll buy that.

Well I'm a flowery kinda girl sometimes.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 10:08:55 PM

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That would explain why India and the Middle East were such disease free places prior to the introduction of modern medicine eh?

If modern medicine is so effective, then why are nearly all people in western countries ill? Physician's waiting rooms are overflowing everywhere.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 10:21:30 PM

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"Physician's waiting rooms are overflowing everywhere. "

We are malnourished. Overweight people are even more malnourished. I have researched it for over ten years and I am sure of it. Music cannot heal that.

The government and medical industry have known about this for a very long time and at one time I would have liked to skin them alive for their fraud, but I found out something else. There are too many people and this planet cannot feed them all. There is not a damn thing they can do about it. The only solutions would be so costly that a tomato would cost ten bucks for example.

Mood and therefore music can do nothing for that problem. However, some seem to do well and those who do can be affected by their mood, upon which music can indeed have an influence. It depends on what it is. If one is depressed and the hormonal changes associated with that affect them adversely in the psysical sense which DOES happen, there is something to it. But even the best music and other psychological influences are not going to do jack shit for gallstones, diabetes and so forth. Such things are either caused by genetics or mineral deficiencies. We are, in effect, like car engines running with paint thinner in the crankcase instead of some nice tasty Valvoline. So these are separate issues.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 10:39:48 PM

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If modern medicine is so effective, then why are nearly all people in western countries ill?

well, maybe because they fucking well aren't.

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Physician's waiting rooms are overflowing everywhere.

because there's millions upon millions of people and not enough fucking doctors. i'd have thought that was obvious to even the most vacant of doughnut holes.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/24/2011 11:07:20 PM

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"well, maybe because they fucking well aren't."

Yet. You want me to send you my data ? If you do not get enough essential nutrients, you will fall ill, but this does not happen overnight. Look at some of the healthy old people you might know. Live with them for a time and find out their eating habits. (ETA: in the PAST as well as the present)

Deficiency diseases do not come on overnight, it takes time and that is why people are so overwhelmingly unaware of it.

What's more, the cookiecutter approach to medicine and nuitrition is wrong. Even if you find these old people who are still in great health, their diet may not work for you unless you have similar body chemistry.

Plenty of people are unhealthy and just don't know it yet. Here is my medical history. As a kid I saw a doctor for allergies and refused treatment. I cured it myself, or more aptly put I desensitized myself. When I was in my early twenties I was taken to the hospital for a gunshot wound to my face, about an inch under my left eye. Wrecked my whole weekend. Took me about a week to get the fuck out of there. About ten years later I caught the flu or something and beat it without medical attention but wound up with severe ear infections (otitis media subsomethinganeous, acute) and went just because I did not want to be deaf. Then my knees went, and with my research I rebuilt my cartilage with a special diet. Then a couple years ago I got a serious mold infection that would've killed most people and beat it, I did go in eventually but they could not find the problem. I beat that as well. For some reason I wound up with a cataract and that got fixed last March. That is my entire medical history. I have never had a medical exam unless I was half dead or in danger of losing one of my physical senses.

Compare that to others, taking mine as the norm and it is apparent that people in general are NOT healthy.

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/25/2011 12:05:13 AM

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Yes.... I'm not sure about this particular one though. M

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RE: Can Music Heal ? - 7/25/2011 2:13:09 AM

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If modern medicine is so effective, then why are nearly all people in western countries ill?

They aren't. And, in a significant percentage of those that are ill (and note that's nothing like the overwhelming proportion of the population, as you incorrectly stated), their own lifestyle choices have contributed to their illnesses.

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Physician's waiting rooms are overflowing everywhere.

Firstly, no they aren't, and secondly the capacity of a clinical diagnostic Primary Care system is predicated on the fact that you don't want lots of empty spaces in waiting rooms, because those spaces are extremely expensive to generate, and wasting those resources is not a good way to deliver healthcare.

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