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LadyConstanze -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 1:55:05 PM)

I have dealt with companies who do most of their business online and if you talk PR with their execs they are blissfully unaware of social media and think it's unimportant, to be fair, Twitter is only a small part of it and if somebody is dealing with print or TV, or B2B, it can bypass them. Hell, I'm usually having fun when US companies think that because a certain type of advertising worked in the US it has to work in Europe, to the point where I want to bang my head against the wall and whimper "Please, have you not ever heard about cultural differences?"



kalikshama -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 2:23:27 PM)

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my guess here is that some of the people you follow are in PR, there are some terms that are really quite the same than some terms (abbreviations) used in BDSM


Out of curiosity what terms? I know flog (fake blog) but nothing else is coming to mind.



SylvereApLeanan -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 2:37:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I have dealt with companies who do most of their business online and if you talk PR with their execs they are blissfully unaware of social media and think it's unimportant,


o.O
 
I do not understand how a company can do most of its business in the virtual market and still be so oblivious.  I'm not a marketing guru and even I manage to get it. 

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to be fair, Twitter is only a small part of it and if somebody is dealing with print or TV, or B2B, it can bypass them.


Were she not on Twitter or only using Twitter for personal reasons, I could accept this.  However, she already said she was using Twitter for business purposes.  I think it's reasonable to expect her to understand the fundamentals of the medium.  Since it's her job to understand the finer nuances, I would also expect her to spend a significant amount of time studying market reports and blogs dedicated to the subject.  Hell, even I follow Technorati and Mashable and I'm not in that career field.

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"Please, have you not ever heard about cultural differences?"


Have they never heard of market research?  I used to work for a company that did independent market research for radio.  Even the different areas of the US have different marketing demographics.  What works in New York is not necessarily going to work in South Carolina.  This is not a hard concept to grasp.  Sheesh.



LadyConstanze -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 2:42:34 PM)

SD is one of the first that comes to mind (Sensory Deprivation), which can also mean Secure Digital, Software Distribution, Subdivision, Standard Deviation... Basically every term used in BDSM is also used as an abbreviation in business, one that makes me laugh the most is ROI - Return Of Interest or Risk Of Infection....



ScatslavesOnly -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 2:50:28 PM)

Ask someone with a Computer Information Systems or a Computer Science degree, or someone who has experience in the area and knows what he/she is doing.
Nobody would waste their time to do something like that. It is not worth just to follow somebody on Twitter.
And if it is done, it wouldn't be by Twitter, it would be by "getting into" the operating system of the client. For that, firewall must be bypassed -if the client is using one-. The other way is "getting into" the connection the client uses. It means "learning about the pages you are visiting, keystrokes you are typing, etc." and getting this information after the data leaves your computer. Usually happens, where there is public wi-fi area, or unprotected wi-fi connections. This is usually done to get credit card information of one or more clients. About wi-fi, if you have specific kinds of Network Interface Card (NIC), WEP64 and 128 can be bypassed. Luckily, it is just with some specific ones. So, there are two ways to get your data (I am not talking about ISP or the government agencies; both of them have any in/out data from your machine for 5 years -the period of time changes country by country): While the data is in your computer, and after the data leaves your computer. And by the way, an IP Address is not something solid about a data unless it is combined with NIC ID.
It is possible to have information of any kind of keystroke you type, pages you visit, your location, etc., but nobody would do it just to follow somebody on twitter. That kind of illegal entry to the clients and connections is usually used for online frauds to get credit card information, or also personal information for blackmails. If you talk bigger, it can also be used for creating artificial transactions from company accounts for the benefit of the "hacker". There are other things about the subject, but I believe this information is enough about this thread.
I am not saying I wrote everything 100%, I am a human being; but as I said in the beginning, just ask someone who knows about the subject.




kalikshama -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 2:54:47 PM)

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have i redeemed myself?


You're on your way!

RF - what's the going recipes to insults ratio?



kalikshama -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 2:57:13 PM)

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ROI - Return Of Interest or Risk Of Infection....

[sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif]

Interestingly, we use Investment rather than Interest



LadyConstanze -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 3:01:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan


Have they never heard of market research?  I used to work for a company that did independent market research for radio.  Even the different areas of the US have different marketing demographics.  What works in New York is not necessarily going to work in South Carolina.  This is not a hard concept to grasp.  Sheesh.


Welcome to my world [:D]

Seriously, we spent a fair amount of time with a US company, they thought they had gotten a shoddy translation and that's why they couldn't break into the German market, now German is as close as it comes to my native tongue, possibly the language I am most fluent in when it comes to reading, writing and speaking, I'm very familiar with the culture and I pointed out that "cheap" for a fashion item that camouflages as a designer item is not a great idea, the shoppers don't want to be reminded of their limited resources, it would be much better to appeal that they are doing "smart shopping" and "getting more for spending less" and that the glossy fashion mags (the ones that get the ads from the high priced designer items) would not run a feature, that it might be smarter to appeal to the media that caters to their target clientel - nope.... In the end we bid them goodbye, because they were dead set on following the same lines that worked in the US. In a few months if I got enough time, I might actually see how well they are doing with that [:)]



sunshinemiss -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 3:11:20 PM)

Ha ha ha.  We have the same issue in Asia of course.  Group mind set versus individual mind set.  Things work verrrrrrrrrrrrry differently here! 

About the only time that any kind of western marketing works here is if they are targeting westerners. (duh).  Subway specifically gets their food from western places.  Some of the meat is from New Zealand for example (not IN the west, but has a more western mentality than eastern as I understand it).  They don't advertise it, but they sure do tell us when we go in!  The thing with expats, though, is that we expect to experience and comfortably live with (sometimes revel in) the fusion.  McDonalds has a bulgogi burger.  It sells big here.  Let's not even talk about the pasta sauce with sardines that they have in So. America.  [:'(]

...and to be in sync with the OP:  Really?  This is an issue?  Please.   Get over yourself.  You can lock your profile so people have to ask permission to follow you.  Otherwise, me and Will.I.Am would be bizzy!  Sadly, he doesn't realize that I'm his destiny.  More's the pity.



SylvereApLeanan -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 3:18:04 PM)

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I pointed out that "cheap" for a fashion item that camouflages as a designer item is not a great idea, the shoppers don't want to be reminded of their limited resources, it would be much better to appeal that they are doing "smart shopping" and "getting more for spending less" and that the glossy fashion mags (the ones that get the ads from the high priced designer items) would not run a feature, that it might be smarter to appeal to the media that caters to their target clientel


Uh...that's pretty universal.  I would not expect "cheap" to do better than "smart shopping/getting more for less" as a selling point here in the States either.  Nor do I see Cosmo or Vogue running a feature on this item.  At most I could see the product in one of the paid marketing sections.  Those are designed to look like feature articles but aren't.  At this point, I have to seriously question the validity of their claims of successful US marketing.  I suppose my impressions could be attributed to the fact that I live in the Midwest, which is more conservative than the coasts.  However, a lot of market research is done in this area because we're considered representative of the "average" American consumer, so I don't think I'm too far off base.
 
If your experience with this group is typical, you have my sincere condolences.



LadyConstanze -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 3:22:09 PM)

It is an interesting subject though, a few years back an international financial magazine commissioned me to write an article series about cultural differences in business, it was amazing how many Westerners didn't understand that in a lot of Asian cultures a "Yes" doesn't mean I agree with you, but it's "Yes, I hear what you are saying" and it can lead to major problems.

An interesting point was that the Korean and Japanese culture have amazing similarities but you have to be damned careful when mentioning it, due to their history and the resulting animosity.

The funniest error in cross cultural dealings was the most simple one, the difference in writing the dates, in Europe we tend to write the day first and the month 2nd, in the US it tends to be the other way round - how nobody bothered to place a call and clear that up is beyond me.



hardcybermaster -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 3:52:06 PM)

the worst thing about all this is finding out that LC stole her "10 kinds of people understand binary" thing from the mods.....or viceversa



LadyConstanze -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 4:08:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

rhe worst thing about all this is finding ou that LC stole her "10 kinds of people understand binary" thing from the mods.....or viceversa


Actually I think other people have used it before, though I did use it for years on some geek forums, early days of computers (duh, I feel ancient now, I do recall having a 486, you know, my very 1st computer) and trying to explain to somebody in my informatic class how computers work, on the principle of yes and no, or 1 and 0, and thinking it was a terribly wise crack to use 10, unfortunately others had thought about it before me (story of my life), but I kinda like it, otherwise I possibly would use a link to Fawlty Towers and "Don't mention the war"



LadyConstanze -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 4:20:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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I pointed out that "cheap" for a fashion item that camouflages as a designer item is not a great idea, the shoppers don't want to be reminded of their limited resources, it would be much better to appeal that they are doing "smart shopping" and "getting more for spending less" and that the glossy fashion mags (the ones that get the ads from the high priced designer items) would not run a feature, that it might be smarter to appeal to the media that caters to their target clientel


Uh...that's pretty universal.  I would not expect "cheap" to do better than "smart shopping/getting more for less" as a selling point here in the States either.  Nor do I see Cosmo or Vogue running a feature on this item.  At most I could see the product in one of the paid marketing sections.  Those are designed to look like feature articles but aren't.  At this point, I have to seriously question the validity of their claims of successful US marketing.  I suppose my impressions could be attributed to the fact that I live in the Midwest, which is more conservative than the coasts.  However, a lot of market research is done in this area because we're considered representative of the "average" American consumer, so I don't think I'm too far off base.
 
If your experience with this group is typical, you have my sincere condolences.


Having seen their sales, they are quite successful for a relatively new brand and what they offer is needed and not covered by a lot of health insurances (glasses), I can see how it would fly in the US market and economy, the same clientel possibly that is going for the "almost real looking designer handbags from man made leather". They are pitching at a certain segment of the market, the quality of their product is rather good, especially for the price, in my opinion if they'd get their designers to change the designs they tend to rip off as much as is legal, they'd possibly would do better and could add more interested clients, however since they aren't paying I am not volunteering that.

From my own experience of living on both coasts, marketing is very different on the left and right coast and even in the middle, it's just in Europe you are dealing with a much more conservative market. I wouldn't call them typical, the typical experience is people pretending to be interested in the service and trying to get as much info for free as possible and then doing it themselves, and of course most think they are so smart about it and nobody would ever notice it and just deliver concepts for free...



angelikaJ -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 4:40:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DavidLee44UK

lol just looked her profile shes using it and excuse to get peoples tel numbers now so its only way she can tell if there real and thedn charge a fee

me thinks its a windup


I think she just got a lot of "Ha, I made you look!" attention to her profile in which she maligns CM and touts another site.
I think she set up being followed and being the victim as a scam and there is no harm here, real or otherwise.

I think she needs to take down the allegations as a remedy was offered promptly and she also always had the option to make her twitter profile private.
Not doing so leaves her open for all sorts of legal recourse.



LafayetteLady -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 5:24:38 PM)

I think she has shown herself to be quite a twit (pardon the pun). I'm sure she will have a ton of potential subs now flocking to her profile, with smart ones looking at her forum posts and going....."what a fucking pain in the ass!"

I have heard of egotistical, but really. Does anyone really think that they are so important and grand that everyone wants to follow them on twitter?



scarletsubbie -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 6:32:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: myotherself

I'm assuming that the OP is following a fellow PR/Marketing person who is also involved in fetish and/or bdsm. The search by the site bods found the other person and looked who they were following...and found the OP.




or San Jose, or tech, (oh, no NO ONE markets in the tech world, or talks about the Sharks)



HannahLynHeather -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 8:23:16 PM)

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Have you considered that things do cross over quite a bit so out of the 25 years in marketing, she could have dealt with tech marketing for 15 years and you can't really market something you know jack shit about.
marketing tech for 15 years isn't the same thing as "working in technology" and you fucking well know it ladyc. she used her 15 years experience to counter the claims made by people who actually know about these things, such as myself and your other half.

the only way to know what ip was used to access a given twitter account is to get fucking access twitter's servers. now given that the op claimed collarme could indeed get her ip from her log in here on collarme <well duh!> and use that to find out what her twitter account is <doh!> shows me quite clearly that she obviously wasn't working in technology in any context that involved actually understanding the most rudimentary details of how the inernet fucking works.

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Getting the IP address from an email is easy, any idiot can do that
not quite correct. any idiot can get an ip address from an email, but that doesn't mean it's the sender's actual ip address. this small difference applies to all the other examples you gave as well. google can only track the ip you give them, same with the law, no matter how much they may think they should keep an eye on you.

if you do things right, it can be almost impossible for anybody to actually figure out what your actual ip is. the cia might be able to, but its not to fucking likely anybody else could.

for example. right now my ip is showing i am in hamburg, germany, and <click the right thing> i just switched it to dresden. and <click again> now i'm in some hick town in utah. all within 1 minute. even if they can figure out a way to get past that little problem, they run into a web of proxies and nats. and then you can throw the whole fucking thing at them all over again, as many times as you want to.



soul2share -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 8:38:40 PM)

aaaaand there's one more for my hide list!  (Not you Hannah........you're too much fun!)



HannahLynHeather -> RE: A SITE THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW ITS OWN PRIVACY POLICY (7/26/2011 8:45:55 PM)

i was going to say, after all the crazy assed shit i post, you decide to hide me for that post?? wtf?! [:D]



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