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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 6:21:27 PM

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If this was directed at me...
I'm trying to figure out where you came up with this whole punishment aspect. I don't do things or not do things to be punished.

I'm trying to figure out where you got the idea that it was directed at you in any way. Even I can tell it was replying to LafayetteLady.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 8:41:18 PM

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"Watched all the time" Nope. Just that I won't know when I am being watched. Big difference. But some of the systems I've seen on line provide a historical map for a given time span, showing where one has gone. Kinda cool to my way of thinking - someone having the ability in the time it takes to view a web site to know my entire itinerary for the day.

"Micro Management" Probably a bad choice of words. Let me change that to ongoing control, with no option but to comply.

"Trust" A different perspective from what others have asserted - trust may be a "lazy" approach to domination and control. Similar to expecting immediate obedience or instant worshiping.

"Weird" What's your point? My next door neighbor probably thinks everyone on CollarMe is weird.

It is all about the degree of control sought or required. And tactics. Trust seems to work for many, but not for me. I view simple trust the same as I'd view a Master using snap connectors instead of padlocks to keep leather restraints anchored. Lax. What is the point if I can simply pull back the snap and free myself from the restraints? I am a very independent person who craves control. However, if that control is simply based on trust, I know myself well enough to know that sooner or later my independent nature will win out over mere trust-based control and I will test boundaries. take short cuts and see what I can get away with. The more that happens the more I will question the reality of the control I have submitted to and question that person's ability to impose his control.

All of which may explain why, as some have pointed out, that I am currently "unattached."

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 8:58:54 PM

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My next door neighbor probably thinks everyone on CollarMe is weird.

no i fucking don't.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 9:05:47 PM

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FR - I love the idea of it.

I wouldn't see it as a trust issue necessarily, and I know that's how the OP is looking at it. But just the idea of being monitored at his choosing? Love it.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 9:34:12 PM

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If this was directed at me...
I'm trying to figure out where you came up with this whole punishment aspect. I don't do things or not do things to be punished.
I'm trying to figure out where you got the idea that it was directed at you in any way. Even I can tell it was replying to LafayetteLady.

Actually, it was in response to LadyPact, who used my comments as a "jumping off point."

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 9:40:25 PM

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What is the point if I can simply pull back the snap and free myself from the restraints?

It's called obedience.

So what you seem to be saying is you have zero interest in actually obeying and doing what you're told.

I would say any Dom worth his weight is gonna get tired and increasingly annoyed at having to constantly exert his control over you.

After awhile he's going to say to you "just fucking do as you're told!!" and if you don't I highly doubt most are gonna stick around for very long. Why would he?

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 9:43:15 PM

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no it wasn't.
aileen questioned ladyc's response to your response to aileen. ladyp wasn't in the fucking quote at all.

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I find the idea of being tracked incredibly hot. It's something that he's made clear will be part of our relationship.
And no....it has nothing to do with trust. Some things he likes to micromanage with me. some things he doesn't.
This falls into the category of him wanting to.

But here's the thing, you find it hot, he wants it. No issues. Now is he looking for something that can be locked on because you might turn it off and lie to him?

For me, the micromanaging thing is to each his own. But this, and now knowing this is an unattached s-type who wants it for himself to present to a yet to find dominant in the hopes they will want to micromanage like that? Seems a bit fantastical and off.

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The idea that someone wants to be in a relationship and doesn't want his partner to trust them is just weird in my opinion.

To be honest, sounds like hard work and somebody wanting to be watched all the time, a bit like somebody who offers to clean your house but insists on doing it in an elaborate outfit, wanting to be watched and admired all the time and then "punished" for things done wrong... Sod that, rather do it myself, as much effort with less frustration and I know the job is done then to my standards, much better than wasting time watching somebody and ending up doing it yourself anyway because they never actually intended to do a good job... Simply not my thing, if I have to watch somebody to be able to trust them, it's starting off on the wrong foot anyway

If this was directed at me...
I'm trying to figure out where you came up with this whole punishment aspect. I don't do things or not do things to be punished.

see?

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 9:46:45 PM

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"Watched all the time" Nope. Just that I won't know when I am being watched. Big difference. But some of the systems I've seen on line provide a historical map for a given time span, showing where one has gone. Kinda cool to my way of thinking - someone having the ability in the time it takes to view a web site to know my entire itinerary for the day.

"Micro Management" Probably a bad choice of words. Let me change that to ongoing control, with no option but to comply.

"Trust" A different perspective from what others have asserted - trust may be a "lazy" approach to domination and control. Similar to expecting immediate obedience or instant worshiping.

"Weird" What's your point? My next door neighbor probably thinks everyone on CollarMe is weird.

It is all about the degree of control sought or required. And tactics. Trust seems to work for many, but not for me. I view simple trust the same as I'd view a Master using snap connectors instead of padlocks to keep leather restraints anchored. Lax. What is the point if I can simply pull back the snap and free myself from the restraints? I am a very independent person who craves control. However, if that control is simply based on trust, I know myself well enough to know that sooner or later my independent nature will win out over mere trust-based control and I will test boundaries. take short cuts and see what I can get away with. The more that happens the more I will question the reality of the control I have submitted to and question that person's ability to impose his control.

All of which may explain why, as some have pointed out, that I am currently "unattached."

My point on weird? You openly admit that you will take advantage of a situation unless someone takes every precaution to see that you don't. That isn't being "very independent," it is leaning a little towards being a sociopath.

Do you attempt to break the law because you think you can't get caught? Are you dishonest to your boss because you think you might get away with it?

The whole nature of D/s and M/s is that there must be a trust between the two people from the start of the relationship. Trust on the part of the s-type to know that their d-type will look out for their best interest and not do them harm. Trust on the part of the d-type that their s-type willingly wants to follow the rules without being "forced" into it (except when there is a "scene" where that is what happens).

Yes, it is clear why you are currently unattached. You have just stated that dominants tend to be "lazy" and "lax" in their domination and it is something that makes you "question" the reality of their control. I'm sure you can see this isn't what many are going to consider a very desired trait in a potential s-type.

Wow, just read your profile. It would seem that not only is your idea of submission very based in fantasty, even you can't keep everything straight. You want someone to "manipulate and force" their control over you, and to "whittle away your desire to leave," yet you intend to keep hold of your assets and run your business from a cell phone while chained to a wall somewhere.

By the way, based on what you say you want in your profiel, you would like to be essentially held captive in a cell in some remote place, not permitted to leave. Seems to me that a tracking device wouldn't be necessary.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 9:50:32 PM

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Yep, you're correct. I was looking at LC's next post.

Regardless, it still wasn't in response to Aileen's post. But thanks for the colorful (literally) play by play.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 9:52:16 PM

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It's called obedience.

YES!!

I never feel Hanners' control more powerfully than when she's not around and there's something I don't like to do that I'm supposed to do, and there's no way for her to know if I did it or not, and I just do it without thinking about it because she told me to do it.

The more I obey, the firmer her control is.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 10:08:49 PM

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http://www.eblaster.com/eblaster-mobile.html
Operates in stealth mode and only works for android and blackberry at the moment..

https://www.mylookout.com/features/missing-device/

Is a regular app. This one works for android, blackberry and windows mobile (but not windows mobile 7). This is actually a fabulous security app. I highly recommend it for anyone who has these phones...

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 10:41:55 PM

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Try googling "personal GPS tracking" and see what comes back.
i always wonder why the fuck people don't just do that. i mean fuck. you can get to google and get your answers a fuck of a lot faster than you can by asking on here. doughnut holes i tell ya, fucking doughnut holes.

I agree - for example: http://tinyurl.com/3susn8d

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/26/2011 10:43:36 PM

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On the contrary, LC would make an awesome sub. She would just require a HELL of a strong, intelligent Dom.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/27/2011 12:17:15 AM

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I had a feeling that what I wrote up was going to confuse somebody. That's why I put that bit in parenthesis, but I guess it was still not as direct as I should have been.

Aileen, what you're talking about is different than what the OP is talking about. Here is idea X that you find pretty hot (per your own words). You take idea X to Shore. At that point, Shore either likes the idea and implements it or tells you no for whatever reason he doesn't like it. Whichever way it goes, Shore is the one who decides if it gets included in the dynamic or not. It's not you telling Shore that idea X is how you have to be controlled. Now, if I've got that wrong about how things work in the world that you share with Shore, please feel free to correct Me.

I think the reason it got confusing is because LadyC was going on the same premise that I was, but a different subject. Those great guys who offer NSA housework who dream up how they are <cough> serving a woman when they tell us how they will dress in some frock, prance around with a feather duster, and expect us to punish them for doing a shit job. Thanks, but I'll dust the furniture, Myself. The other option is just plain more trouble than what it's worth and frankly, it just doesn't do shit for Me. As a sadist, I can cut through the crap and just beat people for fun. As a Dominant woman, I'm just not lacking in doing things My way rather than your way.

Here's a thought, OP. (Does everybody understand that I'm addressing the OP now?) There are at least two female submissives on this thread who have mentioned obedience. Has it occurred to you that they might be right? That just flipping obedience might be what is required? Do you not understand that is why they have what you want?

Spend another five years on the site without finding what you are looking for, OP. Waste your entire life being unfulfilled if you want. Just don't be mad that other male submissives have figured it out and you can't.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/27/2011 1:30:24 AM

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Yep, you're correct. I was looking at LC's next post.

Regardless, it still wasn't in response to Aileen's post. But thanks for the colorful (literally) play by play.

Wasn't directed at you, more agreeing with you. As LadyP said, it was just another example of the same mindset of what people consider "service" but a lot of times is just much more work.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/27/2011 2:29:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: PainCompliant "However, if that control is simply based on trust, I know myself well enough to know that sooner or later my independent nature will win out over mere trust-based control and I will test boundaries"

Ok, why this bothers me personally....I had a pet that had this same sort of thinking in his head. He flat out told me he wanted to live in a "cage" If you want to know what kind, well look down at your lap and guess. He was very honest about it and said he wanted to know that he would never be "tempted" to step out of lie. He also believed that I would then have no reason to ever worry.That it would make me happy. I had to point out to him Hello stupid if you can say something like that I already have a reason to worry. It means you already know you can not be faithful to me or to any agreement we make as far as a realationship goes. And ok yes I get that it is nice, or cute, or a turnon to think that someone elses life revolves so much around yours that they would want to know about where you are every second and about every breath you take, but I have a life and don't have that kind of time to spend on another human (at least not one I didn't give birth to) I have no problem telling them now that I do not need to track them, or cage them. If they betray my trust I will scar them. Either pyshically or mentally to the point where they will never forget why it will not happen again.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/27/2011 5:37:18 AM

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I had a feeling that what I wrote up was going to confuse somebody. That's why I put that bit in parenthesis, but I guess it was still not as direct as I should have been.

Aileen, what you're talking about is different than what the OP is talking about. Here is idea X that you find pretty hot (per your own words). You take idea X to Shore. At that point, Shore either likes the idea and implements it or tells you no for whatever reason he doesn't like it. Whichever way it goes, Shore is the one who decides if it gets included in the dynamic or not. It's not you telling Shore that idea X is how you have to be controlled. Now, if I've got that wrong about how things work in the world that you share with Shore, please feel free to correct Me.

Exactly...he always wants my opinion, but he always has final say.

I have no desire to top from the bottom, which is what I see the many male subs that you were referring to as doing.

edited to add...I rarely come to him with things I would like to try. Mentally that wouldn't be a turn on for me. I get off more on not ever knowing what he has planned. To come to him with an idea and to see it implemented would be like having some control. He sees my reaction to things when he brings something up or does something to me. I never filter my reactions or emotions to things he does or says to me.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/27/2011 6:04:42 AM

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It is all about the degree of control sought or required. And tactics. Trust seems to work for many, but not for me. I view simple trust the same as I'd view a Master using snap connectors instead of padlocks to keep leather restraints anchored. Lax. What is the point if I can simply pull back the snap and free myself from the restraints? I am a very independent person who craves control. However, if that control is simply based on trust, I know myself well enough to know that sooner or later my independent nature will win out over mere trust-based control and I will test boundaries. take short cuts and see what I can get away with. The more that happens the more I will question the reality of the control I have submitted to and question that person's ability to impose his control.

All of which may explain why, as some have pointed out, that I am currently "unattached."

If you question the reality of the control and the person's ability to impose it, what good will a tracking device do anyway? You know that you can still walk away at any given time as "slave contracts" might have meanings for the individuals, but they're not going to stand up in a court of law. So you're just having a few frills and ribbons and some nice wrapping paper around something that's - for you, since you question it anyway - an empty box.

I could see it as fun device, absolutely, but if I "need" it to watch over you, then it's a chore and I just wouldn't be interested because then you're lacking the commitment to the dynamic you are seeking. It's a bit like having a guy who can't keep it in his pants, if you know that in advance, you just don't enter a monogamous relationship because you're going to get disappointed. Disappointments happen in most relationships anyway, simple human nature, but setting yourself up for them, that's a bit stupid.

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RE: GPS Tracking - Don't trust, verify - 7/27/2011 6:11:23 AM

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I wouldn't be surprised if something like a Verichip or permanent human tracking device were available on or off the black market...so google away. this whole idea of using gps tracking on a person is kind of scary to me...perhaps I'm just old school. I find mutual trust to be much more appealing. Trust is better (and easier) than control, and it's is satisfying enough for me and my Dom. He knows i'm not going anywhere.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 7/27/2011 7:04:42 AM

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Control is an illusion. That's why prisons still have riots and slaves rebelled and killed their owners.

I am going to use aileen68 because i have known her for many years, even before she met her owner. He controls her about as profoundly as it gets. Her last spells it out pretty clearly.

However, that control is over a woman who is more capable of controlling her life than many who call themselves master. Controlling someone capable of being independent is very different than the Master_save_a_ho form of control.

Both are still contingent on the buy in of the person surrendering. That buy in ends things go south in a hurry.

The flip side is the owner wants something too, usually at least equal to the effort they are putting in.

Keeping constant vigil over someone is a lot of work with little reward. If you do it because its hot and once in a while, using it as Shore might to say, surprise her at Macy's while she is shopping with her girlfriends, fuck her in the dressing room and leave? Hot. Doing it to keep someone from cheating? Boring.

So, back to the OP. Given my point, and the few posts from competent female dominants that were on point, what do you think you are providing a potential owner with that would make her want to control a man who can't control himself? I know its hot to you but if you want to find a woman willing to do it for more than a day you are going to have to do some serious magic in her life, money, great lifestyle, smoking hot bod all help but most dominant women, at least the good ones, want their hearts taken care of. Having a man that they have to prevent from cheating deeply undermines this.

Before you blow off my advice, i am a dominant male that pretty much exclusively dates dominant women who surrender to me.

When i dated the lovely Bossyshoebitch who posted above, i lived at home with my mom, had a shitty job. However, i made her feel beautiful and sexy and made her heart safer than she had ever felt before. You want a woman to control you? Learn to control yourself first and take care of their heart with real actions not wanker bullshit.

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