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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:05:40 PM   
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What a bunch of BS!


Meth heads stay awake for days on end... then they crash for sleep.   They can stay up for over a week.   How can you be married and not notice that?   Booze is different.

She is either lying or incredible dumb.   (sorry)


Obviously, you have never lived with an insomniac.  Anybody who is familiar at all with My posting history will find that there are some nights that I just don't sleep.  I'm very light sensitive and any change in time zones messes Me up but good.  It's a good thing I'm not male, because if I had to turn on the light in the middle of the night to use the john, you might as well plan on Me being up for the duration.  None of it is chemically induced.  It's that My sleep rhythms are completely crashed after working rotating shifts for too many years.


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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:09:20 PM   
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They actually did outlaw the pills as they were not very good for the health


in 88 when Olympia Dukakus had a pill problem- there was a push to control them- yes.

But when Bush did the golf war 1-  they were back for pilots....

from there the drug rx changed- not real popular for weight loss-  but they prescribe them for ADD/ADHD in the US.    Ritalin, concerta, adderall.  

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:10:44 PM   
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She never exibited signs like bad teeth or skin....she never smoked it she snorted it......(does that make a diffrence?)


Yes, it does. Lots of difference, to all sorts of things. Efficacy, side effects, effects of cutting compounds, degree of addictiveness, etc. ...

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:11:08 PM   
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I loved speed. And I always used pharmaceutical speed, taken in pill form. I would take speed to stay awake & have energy, then take Nembutol, also pharmaceutical, when I wanted to sleep. I thought that I had fooled at least my parents, because I really wasn't around them much. But the last time I used, I went to their house for Thanksgiving & decided to not use while I was there. I pretty much slept the whole time & then when I tried to take a pill before I left to drive home, my mom walked in on me. After I got clean & sober, we were talking one day & she told me it had been quite obvious to her what I'd been doing. Although she could have just been saying that to make me think she was omnipotent mom.

The only reason that a spouse doesn't know what's going on in a case like this is because said spouse is in denial for whatever reasons. The families of addicts can get as sick or sicker than the addict. That's why there are programs to help them. I agree that this woman could use some confrontation, but it needs to be done with love & caring. She needs help with the problems that she developed from living with her addict husband.

When I got sober, my Aunt who married my alcoholic Uncle asked me what had caused me to get sober. She was looking for some sort of magic that she could use to get my Uncle sober too. After talking with her for awhile, I suggested Al-Anon for her. She told me flat out that she didn't want to go there because they wanted her to make changes & she wasn't ready to do that. So I told her that as long as she had that attitude, she wasn't allowed to bitch about my Uncle's drinking to me anymore. She agreed & she's never gone to Al-Anon & she's never broken that agreement with me. The funny thing is, she has probably tried every self-help program available, read all the books, tried religion, everything *but* Al-Anon.

Your friend needs help with her own issues. My heart goes out to her, because I know how much she's suffering. I hope that you are a close enough friend to confront her with love & help her to see that need. I wish you well.

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:12:33 PM   
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I would suspect that this was much purer and less cut than anything you buy on the streets, oddly enough often it's not the drug that is so disastrous to the health but what it's cut with and I can't imagine that the military used to stretch it with rat poison and other "goodies".


Or, as I said, in the very post you replied to: "The mistake you're making is in thinking that all addicts are addicted to precisely the same stuff, and react the same way. They aren't and they don't. They may ingest it differently (smoking is different to snorting is different to injecting, etc) and in different purity levels"




This was not mentioned when you talked about the guys taking military issued stuff, which is most likely very different from what your average user takes


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For example, one of the first uses of Methamphetamine, staggeringly, was in WWII, as a strong stimulant issued to long-watch/flight crews in the Air Force and Navy, and its use was extended rapidly to all ranks, in parts of all service duties. As a pick-me-up. FFS. So do you think all those guys came home gibbering? Of course not, even though many of them took it over the course of several years.


Btw how's that awesome law working for you? The one that makes it illegal to take animals out of the country for docking and/or cropping? Because oddly enough the RSPCA thinks that it's legal as long as a vet performs it any countries in which it is legal and there is no way to go after owners who do that, regrettably... Maybe you need to inform them, they do seem to be so not clued up...

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:13:52 PM   
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from there the drug rx changed- not real popular for weight loss-  but they prescribe them for ADD/ADHD in the US.    Ritalin, concerta, adderall.  


Your ignorance is just breathtaking. And not a little amusing :)

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:21:44 PM   
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This was not mentioned when you talked about the guys taking military issued stuff, which is most likely very different from what your average user takes



I realise English isn't your first language, but your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. One doesn't merely read each paragraph as a totally separate article, you know.

But hey, continue to re-hash my posts to try and make yourself look bright, by all means. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery and all. You might want to add the odd piece of original content in now and again though, just for balance :)

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:53:36 PM   
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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 1:58:43 PM   
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Time for a recipe...


It's really odd you chiming in then; I didn't have time to cook anything complex this evening, so I did this - it's far more delicious than its ingredients list would lead you to believe ... and most people will, I would think, have the necessaries in their fridge and freezer:

http://www.nigella.com/recipes/view/chicken-mushroom-and-bacon-pie-6

Or, if you'd like it in video:

http://youtu.be/E-hZZhFZxfs

It's just lovely comfort food when you can't be bothered to slave (heh) away for hours.

But please use Knorr chicken "Stock Pots" if you don't have your own frozen chicken stock - the jelly concentrate ones; they have by far the best flavour and least nasties of any commercial stock I've tried to date.

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:10:05 PM   
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This was not mentioned when you talked about the guys taking military issued stuff, which is most likely very different from what your average user takes



I realise English isn't your first language, but your reading comprehension needs a lot of work. One doesn't merely read each paragraph as a totally separate article, you know.

But hey, continue to re-hash my posts to try and make yourself look bright, by all means. Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery and all. You might want to add the odd piece of original content in now and again though, just for balance :)



There is nothing wrong with her English-  She comprehends as well and better then most of this board.

She is correct that mil was issued AMPHETAMINE.   Which is not the exact same thing as METH-AMPHETAMINE.     As old as WW2 and as recent as the Golf war.

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:17:44 PM   
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There is nothing wrong with her English-  She comprehends as well and better then most of this board.

She is correct that mil was issued AMPHETAMINE.   Which is not the exact same thing as METH-AMPHETAMINE.     As old as WW2 and as recent as the Golf war.


Wrong on all fronts, as always.

1. She makes consistent mistakes on comprehension.

2. She shamelessly re-posts the work of others, time and again, usually adding a couple of words to claim it as her own. I don't mind, but the odd royalty cheque wouldn't go amiss.

3. The military were issued both Amphetamine and Methamphetamine in WWII. The Germans even had a brand name for it, but my memory fails me. I also recall one of the Scandinavian countries issued a form of it to their resistance, but again I can't recall which. I'd direct you to google, but as your google skills can't direct you to a bus stop you're unlikely to fare well, and I fear for tinfoil prices, so don't bother.

So, in short, well up to your usual standards of accuracy. Well done. Nice job :)

ETA: Meth is not "as old as WW2" - it was discovered in the 19th century, and crystallised early in the 20th century. IIRC it was even an approved drug for civilian consumption in both the US and UK at one point, before the 1920s or 1930s. So, wrong again.


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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:31:15 PM   
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The mil issued amphetamine, NOT meth-amphetamines.    And the lady has better English skills then you do-  and better manners.   

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:34:36 PM   
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I stand by post  #70.

The mil issued amphetamine, NOT meth-amphetamines.   


Ok, let's see how long your latest crapola takes to de-bunk ... start your clocks ... NOW!

<googles>

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#World_War_II

"One of the earliest uses of methamphetamine was during World War II, when it was used by Axis and Allied forces.[87] The German and Finnish militaries dispensed it under the trademark name Pervitin. It was widely distributed across rank and division, from elite forces to tank crews and aircraft personnel, with many millions of tablets being distributed throughout the war"

Pervitin ... that was the name I couldn't recall. Great name for a drug.

You're still wrong on all counts, and I'm off to bed. Enjoy your wrong-ness :)


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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:38:44 PM   
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http://www.nigella.com/recipes/view/chicken-mushroom-and-bacon-pie-6


Not to worry, I always have homemade chicken stock on hand.

That looks yummy!

Nom nom nom nom.

I sent my manager the triple chocolate cookie recipe and told him if they hadn't been working me like a dog I would have baked some for the office. He had a sad.

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:40:50 PM   
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I sent my manager the triple chocolate cookie recipe and told him if they hadn't been working me like a dog I would have baked some for the office. He had a sad.


They are just amazing - weapons-grade yummy. I baked some for my cleaners 2 weeks ago and came home to an apartment that was operating theatre clean, and a thank you note. You must try some, soonest :)

And now I must do zeds, coz I’m up again in just a few hours :)

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:41:14 PM   
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The meth is a more advanced formula and was not invented until later.   The link wrongly carelessly states meth- loosely interchanging the term- when the molecular structure is different.

Even the link you provided states that is is used to treat ADD.    

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:51:10 PM   
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WRONG.

The meth is a more advanced formula and was not invented until later.   The link wrongly carelessly states meth- loosely interchanging the term- when the molecular structure is different.

Even the link you provided states that is is used to treat ADD.    



PA,
Methamphetamine was invented by a Japanese chemist in 1893. The term "methamphetamine" was derived from elements of the chemical structure of this new compound: methyl alpha-methylphenylethylamine.

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:51:47 PM   
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WRONG.


Not wrong at all. It's just you don't know the correct terms and names for things.

Colour me not surprised :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

Notice the differences? Now go back to google and see where the trail leads you ...

I've wasted enough time trying to knock some sense into you. Nite nite.

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 4:56:12 PM   
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WRONG.

The meth is a more advanced formula and was not invented until later.   The link wrongly carelessly states meth- loosely interchanging the term- when the molecular structure is different.

Even the link you provided states that is is used to treat ADD.    



PA,
Methamphetamine was invented by a Japanese chemist in 1893. The term "methamphetamine" was derived from elements of the chemical structure of this new compound: methyl alpha-methylphenylethylamine.


Try this again.

The basic amphetamine formula is old.    Thus was used during the war.

In later years- the derivative formulas that were invented are a more serious drug of this type... more potent- more destructive and more addicting.

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RE: Married to a meth head - 7/27/2011 5:04:34 PM   
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Try this again.

The basic amphetamine formula is old.    Thus was used during the war.

In later years- the derivative formulas that were invented are a more serious drug of this type... more potent- more destructive and more addicting.


Wrong, wrong and wrong again.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60915

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2952

Now please, go away and actually research properly eh?

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