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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

This was in my mailbox... and Time Warner officially complaining that free porn is hurting their bottom line..
This is adult industry website, so it slants.
http://business.avn.com/articles/video/Time-Warner-Cable-Free-Porn-Is-Hurting-Our-Bottom-Line-442917.html

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Would CM be considered free porn?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Then perhaps pirating and copying should be considered a market force. Remember, if Sony hadn't won in court there would be no VCRs in this country. The idea was originally to blame the recording device, at least when Sony got sued. Just like people blame guns for shooting deaths.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
This was in my mailbox... and Time Warner officially complaining that free porn is hurting their bottom line..
This is adult industry website, so it slants.
http://business.avn.com/articles/video/Time-Warner-Cable-Free-Porn-Is-Hurting-Our-Bottom-Line-442917.html

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
So anyway, since the second amendment does not apply to certain arms I guess the DMCA does not apply to my trusty old betamax. Copyguard does not bother this betamax. Comes out just fine, however the output does still contain the copyguard so on beta is where it stays. You know that thing has been sitting in a box for maybe eight years or so and I pulled it out last month to find that it still works ! Another nice thing about it is that it records CD quality audio that's NOT digital. (it's AFM Hifi). The video is not quite as good as a DVD, but it's a hell of alot closer than VHS. '

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

So i know you like to get passive aggressive snarky with me, but perhaps you should check before you start assuming about what i speak.  I wasn't speaking of the DVR and the EXTENSION of same, i was speaking of the stupid concepts running around this thread that copying the movies and distributing them to herself is somehow LEGAL.  But if you want to talk about the external hard drive let's do so === based upon certain beliefs on this thread, something tells me she will also think because she is extending the DVR by adding an external hard drive that she somehow can disconnect the external hard drive and keep it for her own personal use instead of deleting the movies when she no longer has DirectTV.    That's not what their TOS or AGREEMENT says.

...Anything else angelikaJ?

angel

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. However, the main question here is where is all this free porn... seriously where?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

They don't like old technology. I have an SL-HFR60. It's right before superbeta came out and the reason it can do what it does is because it has better dynamic range in the video channel. This makes an RMS level detector unnecessary which is what macrovision et alii affect adversely to prevent making a good copy. I had an SL-HFR70 which cannot do what the 60 does. The 60 and the HFP-100 that enables the hifi sound came to about $550, and this was when money was worth alot more.

I have studied copy protection schemes for a long time. Before digital I could also beat any cable scrambling technique. I may have mentioned BMAC which was among the first of the digital scrambling methods. They started winning the game then. It could be beat but the board to do it cost $11,000. It was just cheaper to pay for the material.

The music industry has a long way to go. First of all the process is so much simpler, and high quality is not as hard to achieve in the analog domain. The sound card in most of my PCs put out a signal just as good as a CD, and MP3s at 160K bitrate or higher are indistinguishable from the original, at least to me and I used to have almost golden ears. I still hear pretty well though and I can't stand shitty sound. I won't even bother with a 96K bitrate MP3 because it grates on my nerves. There are very few exceptions, and those are material I really want and I just can't get a better copy. Those little MP3 players, in the early days alot of them converted everything to 96K to save space.

Now comes iTunes and iPods. My sinister has one but will not install the software for it because it would lock her out of using it for just about anything I can get. Of course that does not keep her from using it in the analog domain, but that means it all happens at 1X. An hour of music would take an hour to copy.

Now even in the old days when digital satellite radio first came out, they said you could make a copy on a CD, as CD recorders did exist. But the music would have like a digital watermark. You could have it for your own use like in your car or something, but your personal account would be tracable. That means if you make a thousand copies and sell them, you could get a knock on the door. Some companies also asked when you ordered a PPV movie if you wanted it for watching or recording. Watching was cheaper and they did find a way to prevent rcording. They changed the frame rate enough so that VCRs could not lock into the signal. However I could modify the servo cicuit in them and get it to do it. That would NOT make the recording copyable to another tape, and unless a bunch of time and effort was put into the modification, the VCR would not be able to record normal videos.

While I'm sure you like technical information from time to time, alot of this is useless today. But it does quite illustrate the point that this war has been going on for a very long time.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

AngelikaJ, HAVE YOU read the rest of the thread? We've been speaking of copying movies to DVD, and others have beyond that post of the external hard drive.  She continues to imply and argue what she is doing is okay.

this is in the TOS, which means that copying anything to DVD or reproducing it and distributing it is ILLEGAL.   HAVE YOU read any of the rest of the thread and her continued belief she isn't and wasn't doing anything illegal by copying the movies to DVD?  Seems not if you can't understand why i posted the TOS for her after a fucking long thread where she continually tried to say DirectTV didn't say she COULDN'T do it and it was right in the TOS all along.

So i know you like to get passive aggressive snarky with me, but perhaps you should check before you start assuming about what i speak.  I wasn't speaking of the DVR and the EXTENSION of same, i was speaking of the stupid concepts running around this thread that copying the movies and distributing them to herself is somehow LEGAL.  But if you want to talk about the external hard drive let's do so === based upon certain beliefs on this thread, something tells me she will also think because she is extending the DVR by adding an external hard drive that she somehow can disconnect the external hard drive and keep it for her own personal use instead of deleting the movies when she no longer has DirectTV.    That's not what their TOS or AGREEMENT says. 

And she is bitching about the costs somehow indicating she is entitled to keep those movies forever-- well illegal activity --which is part of what she was doing -- more than likely contributes to the price going up because they have to implement more and more protections on the movies because of people like her.  All of which cost money.

There is a lot going on in this thread of which i can comment upon.  You don't have to like it.  You can apologize to her, but i don't have to because i am not telling her anything that is wrong and i am not going to advocate her illegally copying and distributing movies or believing that she can do an endrun around the TOS and Agreements so she can have movies for free instead of purchasing them through the proper venues. 

Anything else angelikaJ?

angel

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

AngelikaJ, HAVE YOU read the rest of the thread? We've been speaking of copying movies to DVD, and others have beyond that post of the external hard drive.  She continues to imply and argue what she is doing is okay.

this is in the TOS, which means that copying anything to DVD or reproducing it and distributing it is ILLEGAL.   HAVE YOU read any of the rest of the thread and her continued belief she isn't and wasn't doing anything illegal by copying the movies to DVD?  Seems not if you can't understand why i posted the TOS for her after a fucking long thread where she continually tried to say DirectTV didn't say she COULDN'T do it and it was right in the TOS all along.

So i know you like to get passive aggressive snarky with me, but perhaps you should check before you start assuming about what i speak.  I wasn't speaking of the DVR and the EXTENSION of same, i was speaking of the stupid concepts running around this thread that copying the movies and distributing them to herself is somehow LEGAL.  But if you want to talk about the external hard drive let's do so === based upon certain beliefs on this thread, something tells me she will also think because she is extending the DVR by adding an external hard drive that she somehow can disconnect the external hard drive and keep it for her own personal use instead of deleting the movies when she no longer has DirectTV.    That's not what their TOS or AGREEMENT says. 

And she is bitching about the costs somehow indicating she is entitled to keep those movies forever-- well illegal activity --which is part of what she was doing -- more than likely contributes to the price going up because they have to implement more and more protections on the movies because of people like her.  All of which cost money.

There is a lot going on in this thread of which i can comment upon.  You don't have to like it.  You can apologize to her, but i don't have to because i am not telling her anything that is wrong and i am not going to advocate her illegally copying and distributing movies or believing that she can do an endrun around the TOS and Agreements so she can have movies for free instead of purchasing them through the proper venues. 

Anything else angelikaJ?

angel

Angel,

I have read the whole thread.

dbg just wanted to know if there was a legal way to preserve the content she liked that was on her DVR. She may not have understood the copyright law involved but that actually was the crux of her query.

And as we all know know now, her satellite company explained that transferring the content to an external hard drive was something she could do.

Now I don't know if the law that Panda quoted pertains to cable/satellite (subscriber only) content or not, which would make her making 1 personal copy a non-issue and you might be right about her intentions regarding her external hard drive, but you don't know that for sure.
The point is taken about being able to do things that aren't legal, and I can remember setting my VCR to tape movies on a cable channel.

However, I do think writing several paragraphs (complete with 'yelling') over a projected "passive aggressive snarky" 7 line post trying to defend your position is more than a little bit of an over-reaction.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
They don't like old technology. I have an SL-HFR60. It's right before superbeta came out and the reason it can do what it does is because it has better dynamic range in the video channel. This makes an RMS level detector unnecessary which is what macrovision et alii affect adversely to prevent making a good copy. I had an SL-HFR70 which cannot do what the 60 does. The 60 and the HFP-100 that enables the hifi sound came to about $550, and this was when money was worth alot more.

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The music industry has a long way to go. First of all the process is so much simpler, and high quality is not as hard to achieve in the analog domain. The sound card in most of my PCs put out a signal just as good as a CD, and MP3s at 160K bitrate or higher are indistinguishable from the original, at least to me and I used to have almost golden ears. I still hear pretty well though and I can't stand shitty sound. I won't even bother with a 96K bitrate MP3 because it grates on my nerves. There are very few exceptions, and those are material I really want and I just can't get a better copy. Those little MP3 players, in the early days alot of them converted everything to 96K to save space.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"Yeah, or pony up the bucks for a real timebase corrector.... "

I bet they're cheaper now, rather than in the days where RAM really cost money. But I bet they won't work on copyguarded material now. Of course time base errors were an anomoly of helical scan recording so......... it would be like buying a horse whip (buggy whip as described in Other People's Money).

Thinking now of all that is not even available on video tape. Do they even make video tape anymore ? Do they even make tape anymore ?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
But you know what ? If we sat in a room together and watched a DVD I could point out a flaw in the video to you that is common to just about all compressed video. Once you see it, you are fucking wrecked. It will bother you until the day you die. I am serious. When it was first pointed out to me the whole game was over.

I could probably describe it effectinely but, it would really wreck the whole thing for you. And it is not insidious like digitizing music,,,, some people can supposedly hear the difference. This is tangible and real, and noticable if you know what to look for. I'm already ruined so I will spare you, for now :-)