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barelynangel -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:12:13 PM)

PA, you may think this kind of stuff is no big deal but for the millions of people who get screwed because people pirate movies, it's a big deal.  There are millions of dollars lost to people who deserve to get paid for their hard work.

angel




Anaxagoras -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:13:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
Umm no, i don't want to go back farther. 

It's a question -- who owns the DVR?  Does the customer just rent it and need to return same when they "leave" the company. 

It was just a joke about going back further. I think DirecTV uses a lease system for their DVR's like other satellite TV providers but others would know more since they live in the relevant region for the service.

You can either buy or lease DVRs for DirecTV, but it is irrelevant to the copyright. Regardless of the technology you have fair use of any content youve purchased, which includes copying for personal viewing. You do not have the right to copy and distribute. If the DVD is encoded to prevent copying it is illegal to sell software to circumvent the encoding, even if it is intended for fair use only.

That sounds about right. Copying for personal use is permitted but nothing more than that. This issue sounds similar to the old copy protection systems from the early 1990's for DAT and DCC. They allowed one copy to be made but not multiple generations. I don't know much about macrovision and other systems but they seem to prevent even first generation copying. If I understand what the OP is saying beyond the heading, the question is not so much about the general issue of copyright but about the technical ability to copy. If the DVR hasn't changed then there are two possibilities, DirecTV is using more copy protection signals in the broadcasts which prevent second generation copies or the new DVD recorder is refusing to accept the signal from the DVR due to copy protection. The options are to either seek out an old second-hand DVD recorder of the same model without too much use on it or buy a box that goes between the two devices to strip the copy protection signal. There is some stuff about that technology online.




Termyn8or -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:17:59 PM)

First of all yall, it is copyRIGHTed. If you want to do valid research on it you should spell it right, but that is a common misspelling.

Now if I lens a flick, I own it. I owe everyone in it a cut if it makes any money, but there is one central entity charged with making sure "we" get paid if people want to watch us,  like a TV show. People were fooled in the past into thinking everything was free, but in the final analysis they paid by listening to "Oh Fab, I'm gald, they put lemon freshened borax in you". Your free entertasinment was paid for by ads. The soap operas were literally paid for by soap companies.

Now, we all want to steal the content. It's not really so but really they wish they could get a dollar for every time you watch it, no matter how old it may be. Well this is where other people come in. They rip and moan, and groan and share or upload. Completely free files, and that means free of encumberances as well. And a couple of those encumberances don't bother VLC at all, I highly recommend it.

Now here's the deal, if you want this material in files for you to have for eternity, get them in analog. You use HDMI and all that, it's digital and what they say goes. But if you have actual component inputs to the recorder, most things will work. There are exceptions. If you really have to have EVERYTHING, you need a sync regenerator. I have one but it only works in NTSC, which is 480i. I can build one for HD scan rates but I don't see the point in it.

Now if I made a video of the goings on here at the terminal, should I be paid to make them public ? I don't want to give up my privacy but I might want to sell a part of it. Also some of the music and other shit. Nobody would buy it of course, but so what ? It's still mine.

So I steal these files from time to time. Most of them are older because I can't stand anything they came out with in at least the last ten years or so. Maybe twenty. But when I get a file it is MPG, MP4 or AVI. I know how to deal with those.

I have been through the whole thing. Beating cable scambles, even SSAVI 2 which was a bit difficult, to my knowledge I am the only one who ever actually did it (with no outside information, just my ananlysis). I had everything, and after a very short time I decided I didn't want it and I stopped paying six bucks a month for a cable bill that would've been a hundred at least. I had no use for it. But the technology remains if anyone still uses SSAVI in any form. Lotta good that'll do me.

So what you need to do is when you record use the component, composite or SVHS input. This WILL NOT block all forms of copy protection, but the solution to that is much simpler. I could build it myself in an afternoon. But you will not have the digital transparency when it comes to video quality. To get that you need money.

I remember when BMAC came out. All the hottest shit was scrambled by BMAC and it was state of the art. Nonetheless someone worked on it and beat it. They sold the boards to do it, you would get EVERY satellite broadcast in BMAC for nothing. But the board to do it cost $12,000. It was cheaper just to pay for it.

If you can stand watching the shit in 480i, I can fix you up in a couple of minutes, if you want HD copies of everything, try P2P. Alot of people can rip shit in 1080i, but that takes an investment. If we wanted to do that we would just pay for the shit.

T^T




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:22:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

willbeyourdaddy, if you are technically RENTING the movies that are simply viewed on the DVR, you don't actually own the original to copy. 

You are only allowed to copy something if you own the original.  Otherwise it is pirating.  If you are downloading to DVD a movie you don't own an original -- i.e., that you bought, you are in fact copying and distributing to yorself a movie.  It's the same thing as downloading a rented movie and giving it to your friend.

angel


Which is why my post said "purchased". But its the purchase or rent of the content that matters, not the purchase or rent of the equipment its played on.




pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:23:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

PA, you may think this kind of stuff is no big deal but for the millions of people who get screwed because people pirate movies, it's a big deal.  There are millions of dollars lost to people who deserve to get paid for their hard work.

angel


Cry me a river for Hollywood -waaaaaaaa waaaaa




Termyn8or -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:27:50 PM)

Angel,

"PA, you may think this kind of stuff is no big deal but for the millions of people who get screwed because people pirate movies, it's a big deal. "

Are you kidding me ?

You ALL want my deep down opinion right now ? Here it is. These fucking gamesters have never picked up a shovel, a hammer or maybe even a screwdriver in their life. What they do is not work.

You take what you want,  it ain't none of my business. Now if you take from someone who actually produces something, that will be a problem.

That's it with no holds barred. Hate me. And idolize those stars of yours. A bunch of useless motherfuckers as far as I am concerned.

T^T




Anaxagoras -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:31:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
willbeyourdaddy, if you are technically RENTING the movies that are simply viewed on the DVR, you don't actually own the original to copy. 

You are only allowed to copy something if you own the original.  Otherwise it is pirating.  If you are downloading to DVD a movie you don't own an original -- i.e., that you bought, you are in fact copying and distributing to yorself a movie.  It's the same thing as downloading a rented movie and giving it to your friend.

angel

Which is why my post said "purchased". But its the purchase or rent of the content that matters, not the purchase or rent of the equipment its played on.

I assume one is entitled to record TV broadcasts which include movies or otherwise video recorders wouldn't include TV reception circuits. If that is correct then person X is legally entitled to copy films even if they don't own an original. If they give a copy to another person for them to copy then that may be illegal since I assume it may constitute distribution.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:36:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Angel,

"PA, you may think this kind of stuff is no big deal but for the millions of people who get screwed because people pirate movies, it's a big deal. "

Are you kidding me ?

You ALL want my deep down opinion right now ? Here it is. These fucking gamesters have never picked up a shovel, a hammer or maybe even a screwdriver in their life. What they do is not work.

You take what you want,  it ain't none of my business. Now if you take from someone who actually produces something, that will be a problem.

That's it with no holds barred. Hate me. And idolize those stars of yours. A bunch of useless motherfuckers as far as I am concerned.

T^T


Ridiculous. Creative work is far more valuable than manual labor. Intellectual property is first and foremost PROPERTY. If you dont value it,keep getting your entertainment spanking the monkey. Steal it and I hope youre punished to the full extent of the law. A third strike for copyright infringement, how delicious would that be.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:37:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
PA, you may think this kind of stuff is no big deal but for the millions of people who get screwed because people pirate movies, it's a big deal.  There are millions of dollars lost to people who deserve to get paid for their hard work.

I'm not too worried about the morality of copying myself but I think you're right. The movie business isn't just an industry that allows stars to get fat. It employs a lot of ordinary Joe Soaps. Of people consistently pirate films then it can only destroy the industry. Copying a film here and there doesn't matter much. The problem is piraters who churn this stuff out on a huge scale. The other day a guy I know bought about twenty playstation games on a memory key from a back street shop for 30 Euro! Maybe the industry does profiteer but then again what industry doesn't? I vaguely recall a time when video tapes of films cost three figures but nowadays films on DVD are cheaper than ever.




pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:37:27 PM)

WRONG




Termyn8or -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:38:21 PM)

Deal with it.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:40:39 PM)

"The movie business isn't just an industry that allows stars to get fat. It employs a lot of ordinary Joe Soaps. "

Who cares who works for them. I certainly don't. I will help anyone get anything period. And I consider intellectual property to be inventions and shit like this, entertainment can go fuck itself.

T^T




littlewonder -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:42:59 PM)

without entertainment you wouldn't have your sacred porn or this website or any of those conspiracy theories so many like to dredge up and send links to.




pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:44:38 PM)

Kind of funny-  they want to make the floor plans of a house to be IP-  and any new owner would have to pay a 1% royalty to the designer.       The house I live in changed hands maybe 10 times-- so the designer would be paid 10x under this scheme. 




Anaxagoras -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:45:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"The movie business isn't just an industry that allows stars to get fat. It employs a lot of ordinary Joe Soaps. "

Who cares who works for them. I certainly don't. I will help anyone get anything period. And I consider intellectual property to be inventions and shit like this, entertainment can go fuck itself.

T^T

Well if you think there is no such thing as intellectual property then you won't mind if I steal the next Termy invention for cold fusion. I won't pretend I invented it but you won't get more than a "fuck You" letter with ten cents stuck to it.




pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:47:54 PM)

A mindless TV show is not the same value as cold fushion- or a cure to aids. 




Anaxagoras -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:50:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
A mindless TV show is not the same value as cold fushion- or a cure to aids. 

Who says the thing stolen is mindless entertainment? It could be Citizen Kane. The principle is the same whether it be entertainment, concepts or inventions. It falls under the domain of intellectual property.




pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:56:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
A mindless TV show is not the same value as cold fushion- or a cure to aids. 

Who says the thing stolen is mindless entertainment? It could be Citizen Kane. The principle is the same whether it be entertainment, concepts or inventions. It falls under the domain of intellectual property.



Copyright trolls.     They are ruining everything.

Hollywood need not flatter itself.   95% of what it produces is GARBAGE.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 7:56:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Kind of funny-  they want to make the floor plans of a house to be IP-  and any new owner would have to pay a 1% royalty to the designer.       The house I live in changed hands maybe 10 times-- so the designer would be paid 10x under this scheme. 


You are so consistently misinformed it borders on surreal. Architectural designs are and have always been IP, but does not and never would extend to resales.




pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/27/2011 8:05:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Kind of funny-  they want to make the floor plans of a house to be IP-  and any new owner would have to pay a 1% royalty to the designer.       The house I live in changed hands maybe 10 times-- so the designer would be paid 10x under this scheme. 


You are so consistently misinformed it borders on surreal. Architectural designs are and have always been IP, but does not and never would extend to resales.


http://www.worldwidelandtransfer.com/private-transfer-fees-now-prohibited-in-pennsylvania/       but that leaves 14 states that still do this.

Over the last 2 years there has been a strong push across the country to ban private transfer fees and finally this week Pennsylvania has joined the majority having banned such a covenant this past week.  PA has just become the 36th state to ban private transfer fees. Gov. Corbett signed HB 442 into law.
Gov. Tom Corbett (center) signs HB 442 into law which creates the prohibition of Private Transfer Fees Private transfer fees are much different from  locally enforced transfer taxes commonly used  to raise revenue for public services when properties change hands. In private transfer-fee arrangements, a developer or seller of property records a long-term covenant mandating payments to trustees or other private parties every time the property is resold.  And example would be a covenant that attaches to the deed of a property that forces the seller to pay 1 percent of the purchase price to a private third-party entity every time the property sells over the next 99 years. This creates an often hidden closing cost to many unsuspecting homeowners averaging thousands of dollar





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