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pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 6:36:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Kind of funny- they want to make the floor plans of a house to be IP- and any new owner would have to pay a 1% royalty to the designer. The house I live in changed hands maybe 10 times-- so the designer would be paid 10x under this scheme. You are so consistently misinformed it borders on surreal. Architectural designs are and have always been IP, but does not and never would extend to resales. http://www.worldwidelandtransfer.com/private-transfer-fees-now-prohibited-in-pennsylvania/ but that leaves 14 states that still do this. Over the last 2 years there has been a strong push across the country to ban private transfer fees and finally this week Pennsylvania has joined the majority having banned such a covenant this past week. PA has just become the 36th state to ban private transfer fees. Gov. Corbett signed HB 442 into law. Gov. Tom Corbett (center) signs HB 442 into law which creates the prohibition of Private Transfer Fees Private transfer fees are much different from locally enforced transfer taxes commonly used to raise revenue for public services when properties change hands. In private transfer-fee arrangements, a developer or seller of property records a long-term covenant mandating payments to trustees or other private parties every time the property is resold. And example would be a covenant that attaches to the deed of a property that forces the seller to pay 1 percent of the purchase price to a private third-party entity every time the property sells over the next 99 years. This creates an often hidden closing cost to many unsuspecting homeowners averaging thousands of dollar bump

pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:14:54 AM)
OP, $130 is too much to pay. Is that a tripple play? being that you pay- just get a 2nd DVR. You dont have enough space it sounds like. I know with dish my DVR still worked after I canceled the service....

Termyn8or -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 11:06:17 AM)
"are you seriously ignorant as to the hard work they put in to entertain millions of people? " Hell no. They got their eight bucks an hour. It's the guy in the suit who makes the money ad nauseum. Know anyone in the business ? Big actors need to have big balls to get any real money, or a good agent. Everyone who does the real work gets shit. A thousand people make a movie, and about five people get 95% of the money. How do you think people download new movies that aren't even in theaters yet ? The employees figure they're getting stiffed, which they are, and not only sell those copies, but even GIVE THEM AWAY. A hillbilly song came on the radio years ago, my buddy calls me, they had announced the album title, but just played one song. It had not been released yet. I had all the tracks in about an hour from P2P. Where do you think that came FROM ? The whole mess is rotten to the core. I don't really download much anymore, and I really don't even run what I have downloaded much. It's entertainment, I am tired of being entertained. As far as I am concerned all of my media can disappear and I don't know if I would even give a shit anymore. I already lost over 200GB of shit and you know what ? I don't really care. T^T T^T

pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 11:23:18 AM)
Funny you mention that Term. My laptop died for a week. I barely noticed the missing files.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 1:22:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather it's not illegal to save a movie to the dvr because that's a non-distributable format. Once you copy that to a disk, well that's distributable, and how do they know you aren't going to make 10,000 copies of that and sell them? Why would they assume I will make 10,000 copies and sell them? Why don't the police assume people with sword collections intend to kill people and outlaw sword collecting? See how ridiculous that sounds? I just discovered my DVR has a USB port. Can I transfer my movies to an external hard drive since that's not a DVD or does the same ridiculous assumption apply to that as well?

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 1:49:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy OP, $130 is too much to pay. Is that a tripple play? being that you pay- just get a 2nd DVR. You dont have enough space it sounds like. I know with dish my DVR still worked after I canceled the service.... I agree $130 is too much to pay without unlimited recording space. The problem with getting another DVR is that it will run out of space too. There should be no restrictions on recording for personal use for customers who pay for top tier packages.

angelikaJ -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 1:50:09 PM)
Again, this has nothing to do with the police or law enforcement per se. This is about copyright law protecting cable and satellite programming. The movie companies do not have crystal balls to determine who will or will not duplicate copyrighted materials and then sell them. Neither do the satellite or cable companies. To make a law fair it has to apply to everyone. It is not a ridiculous assumption; it is a reasonable precaution in this world of media piracy. I don't know why you are having such a difficult time understanding this and furthermore why you seem to feel that you are entitled to be exempt from this.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 1:55:08 PM)
I think ANYONE (not just me) who pays as much as we do is entitled to unlimited recording space for personal use. If they don't want people recording anything on DVD's for personal use to free up space, that's fine I have no problem with that as long as they're willing to provide an unlimited number of DVR's.

Arpig -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 1:58:37 PM)
OK, various people have tried to explain it to you to no avail, so I will try my hand at it. It is illegal to make copies of a copyrighted material. Period. However, there is an exception, known as "Fair Use". The principle of Fair Use is basically that if you buy a physical copy of a record, book, movie, etc. then you have a right to make copies for your personal use. Say buy a CD and copy it to cassette to use in your car, or something like that. This doesn't apply to the movies you watch off the satellite TV because you didn't purchase a copy of the movie. What you paid for was the service that delivers the movie to you, not the movie. It's basically the same thing as going to the theatre, you are paying for a viewing, not purchasing a copy, which is why you aren't allowed to tape the film off the screen. Now, you are allowed to save the film to your DVR, because that is a non-transferable medium. It's available only to you in your home. This falls within the license agreement of the TV provider, to allow you to save it and watch it at a later time. However, once you copy it from the DVR to the disk, you have "stolen" it, because you do not have the right to do so, Fair Use does not apply, because you haven't purchased a physical copy of the film. Do you see the difference?

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 2:28:49 PM)
Purchaced movies can't be copied for personal use. It might be legal to do so, but they still won't copy. Many people who owned old VHS movies learned this when they tried to copy their old movies on to blank DVD's because VHS was becoming obsolete. Movies they recorded themselves on blank VHS tapes would copy, but the store bought ones (the ones they paid for rights to) would not. How do you think I got the idea that only store bought movies are copyrighted?

Arpig -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 2:40:59 PM)
I never ran into that problem. Perhaps the fair use rules regarding films are different in the U. S. But that doesn't change the basics of the situation. What you used to do was technically illegal, and the new recorder you bought won't allow it anymore. There have been a couple of ideas of how to get around the problem suggested, if you want to do so. If you want to, send me the details of just what sorts of equipment you have and how it is hooked up on the other side, I'm pretty sure I can give you some pretty straightforward instructions on ways to get around the problem. But it's still illegal.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 2:51:35 PM)
If I try to copy VHS movies I bought years ago and therefore bought the rights to on to a DVD and it won't copy, does that mean they have committed an illegal act by preventing "Fair Use" of a movie I bought legal rights to?

Arpig -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 2:56:45 PM)
I don't know. I am not 100% conversant with U.S. Copyright laws and the limitations on Fair Use in the States.To the best of my knowledge, such a restriction doesn't exist in Canada, and like I said, I never had any trouble making a copy of a DVD or VHS I purchased, though admittedly I haven't tried in quite a number of years.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 3:07:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig I never ran into that problem. Perhaps the fair use rules regarding films are different in the U. S. But that doesn't change the basics of the situation. What you used to do was technically illegal, and the new recorder you bought won't allow it anymore. There have been a couple of ideas of how to get around the problem suggested, if you want to do so. If you want to, send me the details of just what sorts of equipment you have and how it is hooked up on the other side, I'm pretty sure I can give you some pretty straightforward instructions on ways to get around the problem. But it's still illegal. Different laws in the US on store bought movies might explain it but I don't think so since so many posters from the US are telling me buying movies = buying rights to them. In fact, the whole buying movies = buying rights to them contradicts the fact that bought movies won't copy because of copyright. Thanks for offering to help me but it wouldn't be right to ask you to do anything illegal.

Arpig -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 3:16:04 PM)
OK, drop me a line if you change your mind.

angelikaJ -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 3:21:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl I think ANYONE (not just me) who pays as much as we do is entitled to unlimited recording space for personal use. If they don't want people recording anything on DVD's for personal use to free up space, that's fine I have no problem with that as long as they're willing to provide an unlimited number of DVR's. It is your choice to pay that much. It is your choice to watch that much stuff via satellite tv. There are other things to do besides watching that much tv and movies.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 3:35:47 PM)
Will someone from the US please explain this contradiction to me? According to what most posters have told me, buying a movie = buying rights to it. If that's true, then why won't movies people have bought rights to copy because of copyright? When VHS started becoming obsolete, people bought VHS/DVD recorder combos hoping to record their old VHS movies they bought on to blank DVD's and were unable to because of copyright. Yet movies they recorded themselves from cable or satellite on blank VHS tapes copied with no problem. Doesn't that prove cable and satellite companies weren't always protected by copyright and that at one time, recording their broadcasts for personal use was legal? If buying a movie = buying rights, then why can't bought VHS movies be copied to a blank DVD? Didn't the purchaser buy the right to do that?

angelikaJ -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 3:44:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Will someone from the US please explain this contradiction to me? According to what most posters have told me, buying a movie = buying rights to it. If that's true, then why won't movies people have bought rights to copy because of copyright? When VHS started becoming obsolete, people bought VHS/DVD recorder combos hoping to record their old VHS movies they bought on to blank DVD's and were unable to because of copyright. Yet movies they recorded themselves from cable or satellite on blank VHS tapes copied with no problem. Doesn't that prove cable and satellite companies weren't always protected by copyright and that at one time, recording their broadcasts for personal use was legal? If buying a movie = buying rights, then why can't bought VHS movies be copied to a blank DVD? Didn't the purchacer buy the right to do that? Buying a movie does not equal buying the rights to the movie and there is a big FBI warning to not copy it. It is at the beginning of every VHS and DVD. That has been mentioned in the thread in the first few posts.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 4:01:31 PM)
All it took to record from VHS was to put a piece of tape over the little tab that was broken off on movies purchased. You could also break the tab off of ones you recorded to be sure they didn't get taped over. Technology has advanced. Nothing has changed regarding the laws, they have just been able to make it harder to make copies. Having a movie in a DVR is not the same as having it on a tape or disc.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 4:08:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ Buying a movie does not equal buying the rights to the movie and there is a big FBI warning to not copy it. It is at the beginning of every VHS and DVD. That has been mentioned in the thread in the first few posts. I know that but people kept telling me buying a movie meant buying rights. I think barelynangel is a paralegal and she said: "any movie i download to itunes, i can move to an ipod, a dvd, a phone etc " Does that mean buying a movie to download = buying rights but buying a physical copy does not?

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