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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 8:08:46 PM   
Anaxagoras


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A mindless TV show is not the same value as cold fushion- or a cure to aids. 

Who says the thing stolen is mindless entertainment? It could be Citizen Kane. The principle is the same whether it be entertainment, concepts or inventions. It falls under the domain of intellectual property.

Copyright trolls.     They are ruining everything.

Hollywood need not flatter itself.   95% of what it produces is GARBAGE.

It doesn't matter if it is garbage or not. It is still their product. It is there for you to buy or not to buy. If people don't buy garbage then it won't be made because this stuff all depends on revenue. In other words the consumer pretty much gets what they want.

Hollywood, besides being a big source of employment, is a huge source of revenue for the US State too. Mass copying is decimating the industry like the music business. It is wrong to let a few dislikable fat cats blind one to the obvious benefits such an industry brings.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 8:11:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		^  dont worry-  Hollywood produces nothing that I care to copy.      At best a few shows are so so.  BTW-  my household is a neilsons ratings household this week.   My survey has 2 days yet and will be mailed in. 

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 8:18:45 PM   
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^  dont worry-  Hollywood produces nothing that I care to copy.      At best a few shows are so so. 

As I said I'm not worried about some pirating, its just that its destructive when its done on a huge scale. Realistically Joe Soap is likely to suffer more than the Hollywood fat cat.

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BTW-  my household is a neilsons ratings household this week.   My survey has 2 days yet and will be mailed in. 

I'm surprised that you don't have any concerns about personal rating systems!

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 8:20:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Well if you think there is no such thing as intellectual property then you won't mind if I steal the next Termy invention for cold fusion."

You got me confused with someone else. I never mentioned cold fusion as far as I can recall, and have never mentioned anything about even trying it.

However the fact is that cold fusion is useless because it doesn't go outside of ambient enough anyway. It's just a curiousity. Maybe someday out in space it might be useful, but here on Earth it is a waste of time.

Next.

Actually I will pay for what I want if I have to, but I don't care about them because they don't care about me. I couldn't really care less. Sell one of those fucking yachts you "earned" distracting us from the real issues. Motherfuckers.

Nope, I just REALLY tried and I simply cannot care less.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 8:21:37 PM   
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That's the plan. Get it ?

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 8:25:27 PM   
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Say that again Angel, and apply it to people who actually do some damn work. Screwing them is apparently OK right ?

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 8:31:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sell one of those fucking yachts you "earned" distracting us from the real issues. Motherfuckers./snip

That about sums it up.   The business model is outdated- and top heavy--  which can be said about other industries-  such as the college educational system.   All relics of the past-  top heavy  dinosaurs.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 9:51:50 PM   
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I guess you just skipped past the FBI warnings on every disk.


Of course there are warnings on copyrighted disks. I do not try to copy these EVER. Why would I copy a disk I already have? I'm talking about satellite we PAY $130 a month for. What's the difference between recording movies on a DVR for our own personal viewing and recording movies on a blank disk for our own personal viewing? We're not downloading and recording free movies. We're PAYING $130 a month. Also, my old DVD recorder was new when I bought it. It said right on the box that it did not record copyrighted material meaning I couldn't use it to make a copy of a copyrighted store bought movie. I simply used it to record programming I WAS PAYING FOR and I never had a problem until it malfunctioned after I had it about 4 years. If it's illegal for people to record what they're PAYING for for their own personal viewing, then why aren't DVR's illegal?


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 10:10:19 PM   
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If it's illegal for people to record what they're PAYING for for their own personal viewing, then why aren't DVR's illegal?
oh fuck, come on, think it through. it's not illegal to save a movie to the dvr because that's a non-distributable format. Once you copy that to a disk, well that's distributable, and how do they know you aren't going to make 10,000 copies of that and sell them?

i think i see the problem here. it's not the disk that is copyrighted, its the movie on the disk. see the difference?


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 10:32:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		We pay to view and record for our own personal use. If we were stealing we wouldn't have a monthly bill. Since I don't distribute, I'm not breaking any laws. The satellite company has no problem with us recording what we pay them for. The only thing I'm having a problem with is the new recorder.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/27/2011 10:42:14 PM   
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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 2:00:56 AM   
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Gotchu gudcis gittid now ? We are NEVER going to stop. In a couple more years you will have to brush your teeth before viewing a movie in your own home. Do you think I am kidding ?

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 3:33:46 AM   
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We pay to view and record for our own personal use. If we were stealing we wouldn't have a monthly bill. Since I don't distribute, I'm not breaking any laws. The satellite company has no problem with us recording what we pay them for. The only thing I'm having a problem with is the new recorder.


The satellite comapny has no issue with you watching it on their equipment under the condition that you can not make any additional copies or in your case an unauthorised single copy.
This is not the satellite company's fault. The satellite company is merely following the copyrite laws.

If you actually read my last response it explains it even though it is for a different satellite provider.
Different satellite provider - same law.

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It has always been copyrited material. You just have a newer version of a DVR that protects them better.
(spelling corrected)

http://www.dishnetwork.com/faq/copy_protection/

edit: spelling

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 4:03:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		T^T what the fuck are you talking about?   A make-up artist for a movie somehow screwed people, how are they not working hard?  What about the movie distributors.  I mean seriously can you be anymore ignorant and full of shit in this matter? 

Everytime you post you show a lack of integrity, so i am not surprised you are advocating stealing because you seriously believe every person who work to put a movie out and sell movies etc somehow makes millions of dollars and don't work hard for their salaries.  Even the people who do make millions of dollars, are you seriously ignorant as to the hard work they put in to entertain millions of people?

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 4:14:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		defiantbadgirl, you are not buying the movies, therefore, you cannot legally copy them because you don't own the original.  So what you are technically doing when you copy them and keep them for yourself is illegal distribution of the movies.  You are paying $130 a month for a SERVICE, you are not buying the actual movies you are recording from the company.   Just because something ALLOWED you to steal these movies, doesn't mean it was legal or correct.   It's simply that company's have fixed a flaw in their technology that allowed people to copy stuff off of new technology, whether it is the TV company or the DVD company.

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 4:25:01 AM   
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Kind of funny-  they want to make the floor plans of a house to be IP-  and any new owner would have to pay a 1% royalty to the designer.       The house I live in changed hands maybe 10 times-- so the designer would be paid 10x under this scheme. 


You are so consistently misinformed it borders on surreal. Architectural designs are and have always been IP, but does not and never would extend to resales.


Given where he gets his info that's not all that surprising is it.


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 4:27:06 AM   
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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 5:18:43 AM   
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"Well if you think there is no such thing as intellectual property then you won't mind if I steal the next Termy invention for cold fusion."

You got me confused with someone else. I never mentioned cold fusion as far as I can recall, and have never mentioned anything about even trying it.

However the fact is that cold fusion is useless because it doesn't go outside of ambient enough anyway. It's just a curiousity. Maybe someday out in space it might be useful, but here on Earth it is a waste of time.

Next.

That's not really the point,I just picked a random technology but nevermind.

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Actually I will pay for what I want if I have to, but I don't care about them because they don't care about me. I couldn't really care less. Sell one of those fucking yachts you "earned" distracting us from the real issues. Motherfuckers.

Caring isn't the issue either. If you extend the point further, you're entitled to steal anything you want to from a shop simply because they are successful and don't care about you personally.

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"Mass copying is decimating the industry like the music business."

That's the plan. Get it ?

Cool dude, make musicians poorer. Same argument here, you'll make the far large number of employee's at the bottom of the industry suffer most. "Go Revolution"

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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 5:54:27 AM   
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The only thing I'm having a problem with is the new recorder.


Because the newer recorders are much better at recognizing and following the structure of the copyright protection than the older ones.

I am going to ask yoiu agin,  how are you trying to copy the movie?


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RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? - 7/28/2011 6:00:19 AM   
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Older DVR recorders were lax on the rules.  Newer ones not so much.


I don't have a DVR but I do have a DVD recorder. Mine will allow me to record on demand fare from HBO (which I subscribe to) but not movies from other sources even though they are free in the on demand section. The protection chips have gotten much more sophisticated as time has marched on.


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