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WyldHrt -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 6:57:02 PM)
Don't know if they can or not, but there really isn't any need as long as you have the service. You put your faves into your 'instant queue' and watch them whenever you like. Netflix adds new movies, but doesn't delete ones already available. ETA- Hmmmm, Angel. I haven't seen any move away from streaming, just more getting added.

pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:01:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel You don't download from netflix, it streams. But you are correct, their streaming video selection isn't very vast. I dont care for the streams. Half way thru it crashes- and then I am stuck. Particularly if I pause it to get a snack or bathroom break.

barelynangel -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:10:08 PM)
Wyldhrt -- they take movies away, Annie was one -- i am an avid rewatcher of movies i like so when they stream i many times go back to watch but find them gone and only on "Add" not add to instant :-( I was just reminded lol Princess Diaries were another -- my friends kid loves that movie. and was not a happy camper when she came over one day and we couldn't find it on instant streaming. So they do filter them out. I canceled my subscription last month when they said they were raising prices. I find it cheaper to now go to redbox and blockbuster box. It takes a while for a lot of the older movies to be taken off but they seem to juggle them pretty well. angel

barelynangel -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:11:12 PM)
Hey PA, yeah sometimes it annoyed me but i am such a multitasker, the buffering never bothered me. I never had one crash where i couldn't watch the rest of it after it buffered. It seems to have gotten a lot better though. angel

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:13:56 PM)
quote: DBG, i don't get it, why don't you just buy movies you want to keep and watch forever? IS buying something you want to own so badly you steal it, really that big of a deal? You seem to desperately be trying to get them without paying for them, while that may be your integrity, i really don't get why? Me either, especially because she pays $130/month for them. That would buy an awful lot of DVDs.

angelikaJ -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:20:47 PM)
They do take movies away but sooner or later they come back; it is part of their Starz Play that comes with instant viewing. But I think that they have a lot of content for the price of $7.99/ month for streaming and if you add in the DVD package it is still much less than cable. Example: currently in the action and adventure genre they have 1,658 movies/episodes to watch, in comedy there are 1,738. Some genres will cross over as being tagged in more than one. If you have a Wii or similar device you can stream it to your television.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:25:27 PM)
No shit. I don't pay $130 a month for the tv/phone and 30mb/sec internet.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:25:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel DBG, i don't get it, why don't you just buy movies you want to keep and watch forever? IS buying something you want to own so badly you steal it, really that big of a deal? You seem to desperately be trying to get them without paying for them, while that may be your integrity, i really don't get why? angel I don't feel like we're stealing anything because we're paying customers. If our satellite was rigged and we weren't paying for it, I would feel differently. As it turns out, we are allowed to use hard drives for added recording space. As for buying movies, I do when I can find them. Most movies can be found online, but many websites that sell movies I want don't have phone numbers or don't accept paypal. I just paid over $100 for a series Amazon was selling for $50 because the other site had the option of ordering by phone.

pahunkboy -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:30:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Hey PA, yeah sometimes it annoyed me but i am such a multitasker, the buffering never bothered me. I never had one crash where i couldn't watch the rest of it after it buffered. It seems to have gotten a lot better though. angel I dont care to watch video on a computer- I cant lay back and relax- even if I do- the screen is never right- it is not meant to be in various angles. Basically just one position to view vids... not from across the room.

WyldHrt -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:49:26 PM)
quote: So they do filter them out. I canceled my subscription last month when they said they were raising prices. I find it cheaper to now go to redbox and blockbuster box. It takes a while for a lot of the older movies to be taken off but they seem to juggle them pretty well. Thanks for the info, angel. I'm a streaming only subscriber, so this price hike won't affect my subscription, and I actually prefer the older movies when I'm multitasking... which is most of the time [:D] Movies that I truly love, I buy on DVD anyway. Blockbuster's 'pre viewed' movies go 3/$20 or 4/$20 depending on age, and some really cool stuff winds up in Wal Mart's $5 bin. After a falling out with my cable company about 10 years ago (they get really annoyed when you tell them to use their cable to perform a sigmoid colonoscopy on themselves), I started spending some of my former cable budget on DVDs. My collection is somewhere over the 450 mark at this point. I can only imagine what it would be like if I had invested $130 a month! [8D]

Anaxagoras -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:52:03 PM)
It seems that all material is copyrighted unless there are exemptions under fair use rules. These vary from country to country. Generally speaking fair use is when there is no commercial intent or use in the duplication. If it truly was considered legal theft to record TV broadcasts then its unlikely video tape and DVD recorders would have featured built in tuners for several decades because they could only be used for that purpose. Whether it be recorded on a DVR or a DVD recorder makes little difference since both have the general capability to record TV broadcasts. Its true that DVD is more distributable but so was VHS before it. Unless there is a law about making a second-generation copy of a broadcast then I think it is not any more illegal for Defiant to make further copies of broadcasts she is legally entitled to access. I think in the US fair use refers to a limited amount of time for keeping the recording (about a month) so strictly speaking it could apply to DVD copies as well. I read that rule has never been enforced. BTW copy code protection can be present whether the video signal is analogue or digital. Many VHS videotapes had macrovision which prevented copying even a first generation copy.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:56:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I dont care to watch video on a computer- I cant lay back and relax- even if I do- the screen is never right- it is not meant to be in various angles. Basically just one position to view vids... not from across the room. We use the laptop to watch things curled up together in bed at night. It works pretty well for us.

angelikaJ -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 7:59:41 PM)
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littlewonder -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 8:02:54 PM)
I can't even imagine having that much free time on my hands to watch that many movies that you seem to watch. I mean, how do you get any studying done for your college classes or sleep for work or classes or take care of your boyfriend, spend time with friends, run errands, etc....? It just seems mind-boggling to me.

Anaxagoras -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 8:06:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I can't even imagine having that much free time on my hands to watch that many movies that you seem to watch. I mean, how do you get any studying done for your college classes or sleep for work or classes or take care of your boyfriend, spend time with friends, run errands, etc....? It just seems mind-boggling to me. Maybe she's doing film studies! [:D]

Termyn8or -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 8:07:39 PM)
FR, I think. "1) It was always illegal to copy them. Always! " Yup. And that's what the RIAA et alii tried to prove in court in the early 1980s. They tried to make it illegal to sell VCRs here, because of copyrights. I remember. But Sony won, and had the right to sell their betamaxes in this country. Selling, having or making master keys for cars is illegal. I can do it easily, all I need is the lock and the key that was supplied to the customer. But if selling them is illegal, how do repo Men get them ? It is legal to sell to somebody. Just know the right people, and if they let you copy a master key at a drugstore or some shit, that store will never know it. All the copyguarded shit I have is on beta, which copyguard does not bother. It still can't be copied to VHS because the macrovision is reproduced faithfully, but I can watch the tape. Some DVDs when copied in a PC to back them up have a function by which the copy is allowed, but the copy is not copiable. Back in the BMAC days on satellite, some providers would ask if you want a PPV for viewing or copying. If it was for viewing it was cheaper, but they made the video so that it could not be effectively recorded on consumer VCRs. They changed the frame rate and the drum could not sync in, NO WAY AROUND IT. There was no box or anything that could beat this. But even that fell down, people got foreign multirate VCRS that could handle it. The fight goes on. If you leave your shit on the street someone will take it. It's just the game, nothing more nothing less. When did scrambled cable TV come out ? Back in the 1970s ? Well that's how long this has been going on. For sympathy, call me when those who get paid more to play than those who work apply for welfare. T^T

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 9:28:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl I don't feel like we're stealing anything because we're paying customers. If our satellite was rigged and we weren't paying for it, I would feel differently. As it turns out, we are allowed to use hard drives for added recording space. As for buying movies, I do when I can find them. Most movies can be found online, but many websites that sell movies I want don't have phone numbers or don't accept paypal. I just paid over $100 for a series Amazon was selling for $50 because the other site had the option of ordering by phone. Defiantbadgirl, you and Anaxagoras seem to the only two people in this argument who have any idea what you're talking about. You're absolutely correct - you absolutely, unequivocally do have the legal right to record anything you want from your cable provider, and record it in any format you like (including DVD) as long as you're recording it for personal use. Now, legally you may not record it with the intent of "librarying" it (making a permanent copy to watch over and over again), but that doesn't seem to be what you were asking about. You were simply asking about whether it is legal to record, and the answer is that it is legal. Anyone who tells you otherwise - including the twit you spoke with at your cable provider - is wrong. It's unfortunate that some of them didn't bother doing a little research before lecturing you, condescending to you, and even insulting you. You were right all along.

WyldHrt -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 10:30:16 PM)
quote: Now, legally you may not record it with the intent of "librarying" it (making a permanent copy to watch over and over again), but that doesn't seem to be what you were asking about. Seems that's exactly what she was asking about, Panda. Post #88: quote: I just want to free up space without deleting movies I like to watch. shrug

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 10:54:16 PM)
quote: quote: Now, legally you may not record it with the intent of "librarying" it (making a permanent copy to watch over and over again), but that doesn't seem to be what you were asking about. Seems that's exactly what she was asking about, Panda. Post #88: quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt quote: Now, legally you may not record it with the intent of "librarying" it (making a permanent copy to watch over and over again), but that doesn't seem to be what you were asking about. Seems that's exactly what she was asking about, Panda. Post #88: quote: I just want to free up space without deleting movies I like to watch. shrug [:D] It's unfortunate that someone didn't bother doing a little reading before lecturing us, condescending to us, and even insulting us. We were right all along. now go eat some bamboo and leave the discussion to people who can actually follow a fucking thread.

angelikaJ -> RE: Movies recorded on a DVR are copywrited? (7/28/2011 11:29:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl I don't feel like we're stealing anything because we're paying customers. If our satellite was rigged and we weren't paying for it, I would feel differently. As it turns out, we are allowed to use hard drives for added recording space. As for buying movies, I do when I can find them. Most movies can be found online, but many websites that sell movies I want don't have phone numbers or don't accept paypal. I just paid over $100 for a series Amazon was selling for $50 because the other site had the option of ordering by phone. Defiantbadgirl, you and Anaxagoras seem to the only two people in this argument who have any idea what you're talking about. You're absolutely correct - you absolutely, unequivocally do have the legal right to record anything you want from your cable provider, and record it in any format you like (including DVD) as long as you're recording it for personal use. Now, legally you may not record it with the intent of "librarying" it (making a permanent copy to watch over and over again), but that doesn't seem to be what you were asking about. You were simply asking about whether it is legal to record, and the answer is that it is legal. Anyone who tells you otherwise - including the twit you spoke with at your cable provider - is wrong. It's unfortunate that some of them didn't bother doing a little research before lecturing you, condescending to you, and even insulting you. You were right all along. Panda, She was already recording it on a DVR. That was her legally recording it for personal use. She used to be able to make copies with a DVD recorder *to keep* because her DVR has limited space. Her old DVR died and the new DVR does not allow that. She believed that she had the rights to the movies; to record them off the DVR *and keep them*...(which is a copyright violation) and that it was something that her satellite monthly fee entitled her to.

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