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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:21:54 AM

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There hasn't been balanced reporting for at least 20 years.

There has been plenty of sloppy and incompetent reporting.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:29:56 AM

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As if you would know balanced reporting...

Youre such a blind ideologue that "balanced reporting" to your mind would sound more like the old Soviet Pravda or even Baghdad Bob than anything

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There hasn't been balanced reporting for at least 20 years.

There has been plenty of sloppy and incompetent reporting.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:34:46 AM

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You'd be more convincing if you could construct supported arguments instead of making up facts and attacks.

Your job must really suck.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:35:57 AM

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Mods can we please get this moved to" irony and this is so ridiculous Im going to PMSL " section?

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:39:24 AM

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You'd be more convincing if you could construct supported arguments instead of making up facts and attacks.

Your job must really suck.

Your life must really suck lately. You really dont recognize the seachange in your attitudes here.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:43:43 AM

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Because that was the only company in the world capable of doing that job

Then why not put it out for competitive bid and award the contract based on KBR having sole capabilities for it? It would have been a lot better politically at least.

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To just explain how Costs plus cash works..... You submit and invoice with a set some added on, the more you invoice the more you earn.

Lucrative to company owners but costly to the tax payer.

Clarifying:

Cost plus means that whatever is invoiced gets paid, plus a fixed percent. Maximizing costs will maximize income. Widely used back when NASA was set up, and used in a LOT of contracts back in the day but almost never used now.

Fixed fee is when the whole job gets done for a set amount. That's the standard in the private sector. It is a pain in the defense community because, frankly, a lot of the work is done AFTER the contract is signed, and this results in multiple ongoing renegotiations.

Cost plus fixed fee is how the KBR contract SHOULD have been set up. The company gets its invoice paid plus a set fee. The less they spend, the higher the percentage of the total the fixed fee represents, which is an incentive to keep costs down.
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Sole sourcing to Halliburton/KBR started under the Clinton Adminstration and continued throught GWB and continues to this day under Obama. Lack of capable competition and the efficiencies of continuity are the primary reasons. The lack of competition stems from the consolidation in government contractors forced by the phony "peace dividend". We are paying more for everything now because of it.

And, as noted in my other post, your last is a description of "cost plus with incentives" not pure cost plus.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:48:34 AM

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Yeah, we'll organize a fire department AFTER a neighborhood fire.

Bunny Greenhouse told her superiors that the process was illegal. She was overridden. She said the decision to grant the contract to KBR came from the office of the secretary of defence, run by VP Cheney's close friend, Donald Rumsfeld. As Bunny Greenhouse told a congressional committee:

"I can unequivocally state that the abuse related to contracts awarded to KBR represents the most blatant and improper contract abuse I have witnessed during the course of my professional career."

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:53:11 AM

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Yeah, we'll organize a fire department AFTER a neighborhood fire.

Bunny Greenhouse told her superiors that the process was illegal. She was overridden. She said the decision to grant the contract to KBR came from the office of the secretary of defence, run by VP Cheney's close friend, Donald Rumsfeld. As Bunny Greenhouse told a congressional committee:

"I can unequivocally state that the abuse related to contracts awarded to KBR represents the most blatant and improper contract abuse I have witnessed during the course of my professional career."

She was overridden, because the contracting procedures werent and arent illegal. The response to her "whistleblowing" may have been improperl, and that is why she received the settlement. If her demotion was clearly illegal she would have received punitive damages and if the contracting procedures were illegal she would have received a portion of the fines and savings from correcting them. She got neither.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 7:55:50 AM

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You'd be more convincing if you could construct supported arguments instead of making up facts and attacks.

Your job must really suck.

Your life must really suck lately. You really dont recognize the seachange in your attitudes here.

On the contrary. My life is fantastic, and I recognize completely the change in attitude here.

I'm just fed up with the continual crap, and that it's crowding out the last vestige of any real discussion.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 8:00:33 AM

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You'd be more convincing if you could construct supported arguments instead of making up facts and attacks.

Your job must really suck.

Your life must really suck lately. You really dont recognize the seachange in your attitudes here.

On the contrary. My life is fantastic, and I recognize completely the change in attitude here.

I'm just fed up with the continual crap, and that it's crowding out the last vestige of any real discussion.

Then cut your share of the continual crap out. Youre becoming a part of the problem, not the solution.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 8:16:28 AM

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I don't think there's a solution to this, willbeur.

I think it's a matter of accepting when one has outgrown it, and to move on.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 8:52:49 AM

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I don't think there's a solution to this, willbeur.

I think it's a matter of accepting when one has outgrown it, and to move on.

It would be a shame for the OLD MM to move on. Rational liberal voices are needed here lest every post from the left becomse a carictaure of that other "moveon". But if your only alternatives are to join them or move on, it really doesnt matter (to me at least) because you'll be on ignore along with the Lucy's and utterfools. Yoiure not there yet, but not far!

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 9:24:47 AM

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Do you care that its a bullshit article, from start to finish?

Ah yes, a bullshit article about a bullshit court case that actually took place.

Good to see you are still fair and balanced.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 9:53:30 AM

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"KBR was the only company invited to bid..."

Because that was the only company in the world capable of doing that job

But dont let the facts get in the way of this partisan witch hunt

Why should you

"The Guardian" certainly doesnt

I guess Red Adair Co. or Boots and Coots don't exist in your weird little fantasy world.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 10:56:07 AM

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If the far left had its way thats the only kind of tilted "reporting" people would ever have a chance to see.

Do you have a link to another source in which the material facts are different from those stated in the linked article? I'd be interested in reading it. Thanks.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 12:58:01 PM

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"KBR was the only company invited to bid..."

Because that was the only company in the world capable of doing that job

But dont let the facts get in the way of this partisan witch hunt

Why should you

"The Guardian" certainly doesnt

I guess Red Adair Co. or Boots and Coots don't exist in your weird little fantasy world.

I guess they dont exist in Obama's world either, since his admin has sole sourced the same contracts to Halliburton/KBR/subsidiaries.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 2:43:29 PM

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Does it not occur to you that although the figurehead may change from time to time, the machine of government remains the same, or is it in your country with every outgoing president, those that make up the adminstrational machine are sacked and a new lot brought in for the next president's tenure ?

In other words life goes on regardless of who sits in the big chair, who sits in the big chair is only a figurehead and not the governmental machine.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 3:11:18 PM

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"KBR was the only company invited to bid..."

Because that was the only company in the world capable of doing that job

But dont let the facts get in the way of this partisan witch hunt

Why should you

"The Guardian" certainly doesnt

I guess Red Adair Co. or Boots and Coots don't exist in your weird little fantasy world.

I guess they dont exist in Obama's world either, since his admin has sole sourced the same contracts to Halliburton/KBR/subsidiaries.

Contracts to put out oil well fires started by Saddam Hussein during the invasion of Iraq? WTF are you fucking babbling about now?

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 3:28:23 PM

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Who settled, dumb ass...

Who do you think pulls the strings there.

I know its asking a lot to ask you to try to think on your own... but this is beyond ridiculous.

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She "won"?

Thats that far left rags ridiculous spin, but its no surprise that you simpletons buy into it.

Fact is, the O'Bummer administration handed her $970,000.00 of taxpayer money, for being their political stooge!

Talk about redistributing the wealth...

But thats not all thats wrong with the "reporting" in that story.

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If the far left had its way thats the only kind of tilted "reporting" people would ever have a chance to see.

Tilted reporting?

She won a a large settlement.

Like I said, you are falling off the edge Sanity.

It was a court settlement.

It had nothing to do with Obama.

Are you really this paranoid to believe the Obama administration had something to do with this settlement?

There is a thing called separation of powers.

Like I said, you are falling off the edge.

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RE: Whistleblower wins case. - 7/28/2011 4:00:13 PM

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"KBR was the only company invited to bid..."

Because that was the only company in the world capable of doing that job

But dont let the facts get in the way of this partisan witch hunt

Why should you

"The Guardian" certainly doesnt

I guess Red Adair Co. or Boots and Coots don't exist in your weird little fantasy world.

I guess they dont exist in Obama's world either, since his admin has sole sourced the same contracts to Halliburton/KBR/subsidiaries.

Contracts to put out oil well fires started by Saddam Hussein during the invasion of Iraq? WTF are you fucking babbling about now?

The Iraq contracts were just additional orders under LOGCAP contracts.

"The US Army Logistics Augmentation Program--LOGCAP--is a multi-year super contract awarded by the dept of defense for complex jobs the military might need performed on short notice. Halliburton first won the competitive bidding for this contract in 1992 under the Clinton administration. One of Halliburton subsidiaries did work in Haiti, Somalia, and Bosnia.
In 1997 Halliburton lost the LOGCAP contract but the Clinton administration. still awarded a sole-source contract for work in the Balkans. The next time the LOGCAP was awarded was in 1999 and Halliburton won the contract again. Gore and Clinton both wrote favorable assessments of the work that Halliburton did under LOGCAP. In 2001 Halliburton won the LOGCAP again."

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