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mnottertail -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 3:33:41 AM)

comparing canada to the us for healthcare resource availability and blaming it on universal care is the fucking stupidest shit that any neo-con can come up with.

the fucking country is second only to russia in size and has only 34 million people.   We have 330+ million people.  the uk has twice as many people as canada.

the canucks gotta drive the entire iditarod to hunt up a fuckin ice cream sandwich for fucks sake.

dont be foolish.





tj444 -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 6:43:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Also I use pain as a warning, pain felt means there is a problem, sometimes :), pain felt in the joints tells me a lot and there I analyse and correct if necessary. I don't use pain killers for this reason, as pain killers negate our natural warning systems, the systems that are there to aid us, not hinder us.

I have a curve to my spine too and need to at least attempt to straighten it as much as I can. Even tho I am not in much pain from it I still want to do that so that I can be as whole as possible. I expect you have heard of the Schroth method/exercises. You seem to have come to do the same thing by strengthening the weak muscles & by figuring out on your own which exercises do that. I agree too that people do get shorter as they get older and how they walk makes a difference as well. You were very fortunate to find someone that noticed this and set you on the path of healing yourself.




Owner59 -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 8:49:08 AM)

I would agree that any activity taken to it`s extremes or it`s most advanced levels can be harmful.My gf is just starting to master hand stands at yoga and they are potentially dangerous.Same with elbow/head stands and other advanced poses.I found this to be true in martial arts as well.It can happen in any discipline when advanced students get board and want a bigger/harder challenge.I tell my students not to go past their own limits.That stretching is NOT a competition and that they will reach their goals with time and that pushing WILL lead to injury.


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Aneirin -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 9:12:08 AM)

The spine is the most important part of our body, because from it everything is supported, so time spent looking after the spine is time well spent, and how the spine is held in position, is not hard to work out, given that we know what muscles and ligaments are for, for that is what keeps the spine in place, hopefully a neutral position, where there is no strain in any direction.

But what I do with machines is the same as the body, I break the complexity down into systems of lines and angles, the stick figure if you like and analyse from a position of simplicity. In fact if one learn to stand in a neutral position, one can see how their spine holds their body by looking in a full length mirror from both planes.

But of the exercises I have found that work for me, they include Pilates, Iyengar yoga and belly dancing, to me they seem to work in conjunction with each other. But then where do these exercises originate, in no place other than with the ancient peoples of the Middle east and Asia, and from them the exercises for good health and living has breen brought to us.

The exercises you mentioned, the schroth method I had seen something of, but did not apply them, and that because hey, Iyengar with a bastard instructor was enough, that form of yoga is all about pain, but the bastard instructors have a good eye and make sure everyone is doing the exercise correctly, hence, very small classes. But Iyengar works quickly, it builds muscles where you didn't know you had them, and then belly dance again that also develops muscles you did not know possible, or at least ranges of movement quite unlike anything you would normally use in life, and with those ranges of movement, you exercise things not normally exercised

But as to Isometrics, that is my preferred method of exercises in the past and when it is I need a change from the norm, and I even have one of those old Bullworker machines from the early seventies, i pick up now and again, it quite capable of providing an exercise method even today, for it has not gone out of date.

But muscles beyond what is needed to keep the body in it's correct form and function I am not interested in, bulging muscles do zilch for me, as I do not see the point beyond vanity, besides surface muscles get cold easily and there malfunction, whereas deep muscle covered by a layer of fat, is where the strength is. I tend to aspire to the Asian physique and that because of where the exercises that I know work for me come from. Asia can teach us a lot.




Aneirin -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 9:28:20 AM)

But this is the case with many of the British, we don't go running to the doctor when it is we feel ill in some way, and that because for some it can take over a week to get an appointment to see their own doctor, so get on with sorting themselves out in the meantime. But if they cannot do that and it is urgent, well then there is the hospital where one can wait hours if the ailment is minor.

Perhaps a shabby system in comparison to what Americans may experience, but the advantage is we tend not to rely solely on the medical profession and learn to sort things out ourselves. My old granny used to say she finds it odd, that in the wartime years there was much education and drive to basically indulge in hedge witchery and home remedies of which there was much knowledge, but as soon as the NHS was formed they were told to forget the old ways and use the new NHS.

The odd thing was, up until she died about ten years back, she was still called a hedge witch and to her many of the old people went for remedies. It was her that got me interested and taught me much about herbs and plant oils when it was I took an interest in her plant potions before I was a teen. As a result, now, I know what my kitchen can do in terms of healing and it is to that I look long before I think of the hassle to go near the medics.

She also got me involved with yoga and for a time Tai Chi, for right up until her death, she was often to be seen doing Tai Chi barefoot in the morning dew.

A wonderful inspiration she was, and a person who I thank for much of what I know about healing myself.


But Iyengar by BKS

and a wonderful inspirational video on Ashtanga

If the body is capable, shouldn't we be making the best of it ?




tj444 -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 1:05:41 PM)

People should learn what works for them and what doesnt. The yoga instructor I went to told me he had a bad back and the yoga helped him, so that is why i gave it a try. But it is not something my body and back reacted to well. I will continue to try other things and see how my body reacts. For now tho, I have not been to a Chiropractor in a while as I am not in very much pain. Its more from just trying to get back to a regular work out at the gym, aches all over tho, not just my back.

A couple of years ago my back pain started getting worse and worse, it crept up my back until i was in pain from my lower back to my neck. It got so bad that i was in extreme pain all the time, i could not lay down and sleep, i could not sit at the computer for more than 2 minutes, standing hurt the least. I kept going to the chiropractor thinking that was the problem but it didnt help.

Finally i went to an accupuncurist thinking that he could help me with the pain. On my first visit he told me my problem was my stomach, I thought he was crazy but went home and googled. I found out that other people had the same problem and it was caused by the stomach, more specifically, by what one ate, causing inflamation. So i had nothing to lose and changed my diet, in the first week the pain got better, by the end of week 2, i was cured, meaning the pain from the inflamation was gone and i could live normally again. I did not go to a Doctor cuz in the past they didnt help me when it came to my back so I cant say if a Doctor would have come to the same conclusion or not. Anyway, I dont go to regular doctors much at all, even when i was living in Canada with its "free" healthcare.




Politesub53 -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 3:10:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Youre the troll tell us. Meanwhile we'll continue to use the truth to expose the lies that are told by libs to scare folks.


You wouldnt know the truth if it bit you on the arse, as shown by most of your replies.

Yourself and Sanity are jumping on the alarmist bandwagon to prove a point, sadly you are failing, as per usual. You dont even understand it is mostly the left in the UK speaking of rationing. Maybe you two need to come out of the closet and admit you are a couple of  commies.

Just to enlighten you, there is a lot of political crap flying about in the UK, point scoring and using scare tactics to do it. You were right on one point, NHS services have always been prioritized, aimed firstly at those most in need. So while I did indeed wait a bit for my knee op, I was okay with that as it meant someone else was having more important surgery done. I could have gone private but the need wasnt pressing enough.






rulemylife -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 3:43:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Except their country is being taxed to the point that its becoming a shit hole, a third world slum

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

With the money they save not having to pay outlandish healthcare costs they can afford to take a nice holiday to Thailand and get their operation if they don’t want to wait and still come out ahead money wise.

Butch



Becoming?

You don't get out very much do you?




rulemylife -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 3:54:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I would agree that any activity taken to it`s extremes or it`s most advanced levels can be harmful.My gf is just starting to master hand stands at yoga and they are potentially dangerous.Same with elbow/head stands and other advanced poses.I found this to be true in martial arts as well.It can happen in any discipline when advanced students get board and want a bigger/harder challenge.I tell my students not to go past their own limits.That stretching is NOT a competition and that they will reach their goals with time and that pushing WILL lead to injury.


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I'm just starting to master 12 ounce curls, so all this stuff is scary.




Lucylastic -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/30/2011 6:32:12 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EITWZ6oBbco&feature=player_embedded




Aneirin -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 4:25:30 AM)

You will notice though, that all the poses are showing females, women are naturally more flexible, it is the blokes that have to work hard at it, because males tend to use predominantly muscle movement where women tend to use joint movement. That being with the belly dance, my natural ability is with upper body movement, wheres the women their natural ability is lower body movement centering on the hips. So despite being of the same species, we do differ in how we move.

But @tj444.

When I first started my back exercises, my back was such that I felt an almost stiff dry grinding feeling in it, where every movement was uncomfortable and so I used to use my back muscles to push my spine away from uncomfortable bits leading to and enforcing the scoliosis. My first exercises were performed lying with my back on the floor, but even that caused problems, as the spine is not flat, so I got an exercise ball and wow that was it, the back was supported in it's curve by the ball, comfort at last, so even now and again I still lie on the exercise ball, as i like the feeling. The exercise ball I have is about a meter diameter and also serves as a seat sometimes and whilst sitting practice balancing, a point where one is balanced, the frame is in perfect harmony and relaxed, it is good to practice true relaxation sometimes, the point where the body is in neutral.




Aneirin -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 4:29:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EITWZ6oBbco&feature=player_embedded


H'mm, that about sums it up.




Lucylastic -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 4:49:05 AM)

thats what I thought





Phoenixpower -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 5:25:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Time for the standard bullshit liberal replies.

"Private care is available"
"Health care is rationed by insurance companies"

Pick your own favorite.


As much as I disliked the Healthcare system in the UK, if the choice would only be between those two, I would pick the one provided in the UK to the one where  millions of people can't afford the private care due to the amount it costs.

Quite frankly in that respect I prefer how it is done in Germany (and maybe in some other countries, too) that you pay a fair amount into it from your salary - or the state pays into it for you when you are out of work - and get a pretty good service.

My previous healthcare provider currently lost more than 400.000 customers as they introduced that their clients have to pay 8 euro per month additionally (to the amount they get from the payment you already do with your salary). Because of that we currently had one of that other healthcare providers visiting us (I already joined them and parents will join them) and guess what???

They have a heck of a lot on offers the previous one doesn't have.

If you attend all of certain pre-screening programmes during certain ages you get 40 Euro afterwards.
A friend from my parents who is just about to retire from her job as a nurse at our doctor also said something that if you don't need the GP at all during a year you get back from them 500 Euro, as you saved them costs.
On top of that they have additionally deals with medication manufacturers (something he mentioned that they were able to do so after their patent or license were running out and that the big companies tried to fight against that fact) and managed that way to get deals which now means that their customers don't have to pay the additional fee for a huge variety of medication, which you would have to pay at the chemist for if you are insured with some of the other companies.
On top of that they have a huge variety from programmes you can attend free of charge (about healthier cooking, their Gym to train your back muscles, if you might profit from that and whatever else),
and last but not least you also get discounts at a huge variety of other public services which might benefit your health, such as for example the thermal swimming pool (to just mention one).

So quite frankly they changed their approach a lot, where the previous provider just managed the cash they are getting in and that obviously not very successful, that one invested a lot of ideas into prevention to keep the costs down, as quite frankly if people bother to attend the prescreening stuff and end up that some are caught in time, or attend their offered classes regarding help with cooking or helpful exercises (which are carried out by physiotherapists) it will save them a lot of money in the long run...





Phoenixpower -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 5:41:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If its "free" (aka government care) you cant sue and you cant complain

So yes

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Thailands wonderful free health care? [;)]

does it matter if its free or not, if a doctor screws up then what?



Thank god some folks in the UK aren't naive to have your view [8|]

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ORIGINAL: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2263718/NHS-sued-for-tens-of-million-over-superbugs.html

At the beginning of 2008, 107 patients or their families had successfully sued the health service over infections picked up on NHS wards.


and that's just one from many articles about sueing the nhs [8|]




Sanity -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 10:01:37 AM)


Then why arent the people who cant have their cataract, hip, knee and tonsil surgeries suing

The point is, there is no recourse

My apologies if I didnt make my meaning clear enough




Lucylastic -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 10:11:18 AM)

You dont get fed up with being wrong do you
http://www.1stclaims.co.uk/articles/medical-negligence/sue-doctor.php
The Government released the figures after a request under the Freedom of Information Act, confirming that the average payout for a compensation claim resulting from an incident such as this is nearly £18,000. This means that the NHS has paid out a total of £9million in the past five years to 550 individuals. Last year the highest payout was to a person who had the tip of a needle left inside them, resulting in a settlement of £115,000
We just dont have as many sue happy people and ambulance chasers, not so many lawyers and other assorted crooks to shit on the system




domiguy -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 10:29:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

So then trolls exploit fear and lack of knowledge to scare folks.





Youre the troll tell us. Meanwhile we'll continue to use the truth to expose the lies that are told by libs to scare folks.


wilbur your posts show that you know nothing of the truth.




Sanity -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 10:33:30 AM)


That has nothing to do with the context of the discussion, lucy






Phoenixpower -> RE: Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing (7/31/2011 12:10:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Then why arent the people who cant have their cataract, hip, knee and tonsil surgeries suing

The point is, there is no recourse

My apologies if I didnt make my meaning clear enough



And what makes you believe that everybody accepts decisions without trying to get the treatment they need? [8|]

I just googled a case which was in the news a lot during my time in the UK where (as example) a woman was being refused to receive a particular drug to treat her breast cancer....

she did not just accept it, appealed against it and won it:

http://www.4rfv.co.uk/nationalnews.asp?id=50790




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