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Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:26:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Willbur you really ought to know that Social Security and Social Insurance taxes bring in approx 40% of the US Govt's income. So Social Security almost pays for itself and Medicare/Medicaid (which together account for 43% of total US Govt expenditure). The shortfall or subsidy from General Revenue is c 3%. So the nett cost (revenue minus expenditure) to the US taxpayer is small. And in the chart you supplied, the max annual figure for the cost of 'Welfare" was $701 billion in 2010. Considerably less than the figures on the annual cost of Iraq/Afghanistan supplied above, not 4 times more. All figures from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget#Major_expenditure_categories You really ought to know that $701 billion IN ONE YEAR is far more than the ANNUAL cost of the wars that over 10 YEARS, especially since thats the very question you asked. The average over the same period was a bit above 4x as I said. You also really ought to know that Social Security and Health benefits (Medicare/Medicaid) werent included in the graph's numbers, so your nonsense about 40% of the governments income is your usual diversionary bullshit. I dont see any data to that effect, why would anyone "oughta know"

Moonhead -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:30:11 PM)
Because you'll look a bit of a tit if you don't know a thing about the facts you're citing to support your argument.

Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:31:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know you're a man who enjoys getting his shit wrong, but you live in a republic, not a democracy. kool tell us how you came to the conclusion it is a republic and not a democracy? good luck on this one LOL

mnottertail -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:31:54 PM)
I have a small cavil about the size of the tit, as you have couched it. And probably should have used the word 'penis' or one of its various monikers, come to that.

gaybottomslave -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:44:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic your once great country is in the shitter because of your dumbarse governments who want to rule and rape the world and dont have a clue how to make sure its sustainable and gave everything to the corporations nothing to do with the poor except they were "expendable" in the face of technology and greed. Youve screwed yourself, but of course its the homeless and the poor who have all the control and funds, they just fucked themselves over by believing that working hard was going to be enough to live on. 1. I notice you didn't take me up on my offer to do a bunch of work for me around my house and then allow me to give the money that you worked for to someone who is poor and homeless. Why is it that? 2. Do you have any idea on how bat-shit crazy you sound? You've basically hit all the major leftist talking points without really saying anything of substance.

mnottertail -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:45:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know you're a man who enjoys getting his shit wrong, but you live in a republic, not a democracy. kool tell us how you came to the conclusion it is a republic and not a democracy? good luck on this one LOL It isn't hard to come to that conclusion, article 4 clause 4 section 1.

Moonhead -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:45:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know you're a man who enjoys getting his shit wrong, but you live in a republic, not a democracy. kool tell us how you came to the conclusion it is a republic and not a democracy? good luck on this one LOL The OED is quite firm that there's a difference between a democracy where everybody* has a say in governance (the sort of thing that worked in a Greek city state with a smallish population during the late bronze age and hasn't really been tried outside of a few communes and kibbutzes since), and a republic, which is ruled by elected representatives, which means that democracy only comes around for an election every few years. (You'll also note that this constitution thing which you're forever misprisioning to bizarre effect makes a big deal of referring to your country as a republic.) *(besides slaves, women, paupers and other such undesirables)

Moonhead -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:47:28 PM)
Bugger: beaten to the draw again.

mnottertail -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:51:58 PM)
Well, you are only a relative neophyte to american barroom politicking, I have broken many a beer bottle over it. You are, I should say in passing at least advaanced enough in your understanding of American Politik that you didn't say Magna Charta, we have native borns here that haven't gotten that far.

Moonhead -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:55:17 PM)
Isn't the Magna Carta a Limey thing? I thought that was King John's first stab at a British constitution, and he was long before Charles III...

gaybottomslave -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 1:58:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave Why should someone be allowed to suck off the public trough? This country is completely fucked because too many people think that it is okay to be a lazy, worthless, leech. Good question. Why don't we ask Exxon and GE and Monsanto and Goldman Sachs and Koch Brothers and a host of other leaches on the US Treasury why they keep stealing our money even while posting record breaking profits? Oh, that's right, it's because YOU voted for the bitches that turned on the hydrants. Stupidity can't be helped, I understand, but duct tape isn't too expensive and could do wonders in making you sound less stupid, if properly applied. Find a neighbor to help you out there. I'm not saying that giving more money to poor people would solve all problems here. I am saying that giving the richest bastards such a large portion of tax dollars causes problems beyond initial cost, substantial as that is. Problems that create more jobless and homeless. I'm not going to defend corporate welfare... If I had my way instead of the bailouts that several US corporations received to stay in business, just after Obama took office, I would have let those corporations fail. The executives of those companies made several bad business decisions that would have, without any intervention from the government, caused them to fail. Failure is not a bad thing in the long run. People learn far more from their failures than they ever do their successes. But too many people here in America have been conned into thinking that failing should never happen and if it takes subsidies from the government to prevent failing well gee that's just fine and dandy. And speaking of duct tape, please use it to cover your mouth so that no more excrement flows from it.

gaybottomslave -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:00:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know you're a man who enjoys getting his shit wrong, but you live in a republic, not a democracy. kool tell us how you came to the conclusion it is a republic and not a democracy? good luck on this one LOL It isn't hard to come to that conclusion, article 4 clause 4 section 1. realone just got pwned.

mnottertail -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:01:04 PM)
Well, thats how------eventually, Charles I lost his head over the republican issue, ain't it Cromwell?

mnottertail -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:04:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know you're a man who enjoys getting his shit wrong, but you live in a republic, not a democracy. kool tell us how you came to the conclusion it is a republic and not a democracy? good luck on this one LOL It isn't hard to come to that conclusion, article 4 clause 4 section 1. realone just got pwned. That little ditty right there puts the fucking ice pick to individual sovereignty blather as well...not that there aint some willing to go at it still, but that was pretty cut and dried settled that no man is an island unto himself.

Moonhead -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:07:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well, thats how------eventually, Charles I lost his head over the republican issue, ain't it Cromwell? Yep indeedy.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:09:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Willbur you really ought to know that Social Security and Social Insurance taxes bring in approx 40% of the US Govt's income. So Social Security almost pays for itself and Medicare/Medicaid (which together account for 43% of total US Govt expenditure). The shortfall or subsidy from General Revenue is c 3%. So the nett cost (revenue minus expenditure) to the US taxpayer is small. And in the chart you supplied, the max annual figure for the cost of 'Welfare" was $701 billion in 2010. Considerably less than the figures on the annual cost of Iraq/Afghanistan supplied above, not 4 times more. All figures from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget#Major_expenditure_categories You really ought to know that $701 billion IN ONE YEAR is far more than the ANNUAL cost of the wars that over 10 YEARS, especially since thats the very question you asked. The average over the same period was a bit above 4x as I said. You also really ought to know that Social Security and Health benefits (Medicare/Medicaid) werent included in the graph's numbers, so your nonsense about 40% of the governments income is your usual diversionary bullshit. I dont see any data to that effect, why would anyone "oughta know" Medicare and Social Security are larger than the amounts shown in the grap by themselves.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:11:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic your once great country is in the shitter because of your dumbarse governments who want to rule and rape the world and dont have a clue how to make sure its sustainable and gave everything to the corporations nothing to do with the poor except they were "expendable" in the face of technology and greed. Youve screwed yourself, but of course its the homeless and the poor who have all the control and funds, they just fucked themselves over by believing that working hard was going to be enough to live on. 1. I notice you didn't take me up on my offer to do a bunch of work for me around my house and then allow me to give the money that you worked for to someone who is poor and homeless. Why is it that? 2. Do you have any idea on how bat-shit crazy you sound? You've basically hit all the major leftist talking points without really saying anything of substance. She knows, she doesnt care.

mnottertail -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:12:05 PM)
See, another bugaboo about americans when compared to the queens english.... Saddam had a republican guard........what's that mean? Your 'republican party' (if we can use the word party so loosely) are in fact, monarchists. Everywhere else republican is sort of meant to mean those things that support a monarchy. Here its usage means absent a monarch. And 'conservative'; and 'liberal'? Oh, the hell with that noise... David Lloyd George

Moonhead -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 2:17:23 PM)
The Americans have a two party system, much like ours. They have the Republicans, who are like our conservative party, and the Democrats, who are also like our conservative party. (Peter Cook)

Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 5:11:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Medicare and Social Security are larger than the amounts shown in the grap by themselves. wonderful but you didnt post any data to that effect

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