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Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 5:12:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead The Americans have a two party system, much like ours. They have the Republicans, who are like our conservative party, and the Democrats, who are also like our conservative party. (Peter Cook) it sunk to that level as a result of the funding practices. its easier to control the outcome of 2 parties than 10

Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 5:14:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know you're a man who enjoys getting his shit wrong, but you live in a republic, not a democracy. kool tell us how you came to the conclusion it is a republic and not a democracy? good luck on this one LOL It isn't hard to come to that conclusion, article 4 clause 4 section 1. yeh we know that is what is says, thats not the question however.

Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 5:18:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I know you're a man who enjoys getting his shit wrong, but you live in a republic, not a democracy. kool tell us how you came to the conclusion it is a republic and not a democracy? good luck on this one LOL The OED is quite firm that there's a difference between a democracy where everybody* has a say in governance (the sort of thing that worked in a Greek city state with a smallish population during the late bronze age and hasn't really been tried outside of a few communes and kibbutzes since), and a republic, which is ruled by elected representatives, which means that democracy only comes around for an election every few years. (You'll also note that this constitution thing which you're forever misprisioning to bizarre effect makes a big deal of referring to your country as a republic.) *(besides slaves, women, paupers and other such undesirables) "misprisioning "? lol better press charges if thats the case! Ok so then in your opinion in the United States we get to choose who we want to RULE us for some term and that is what makes us a republic right? [8\|]

Rule -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 5:23:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto In the context of federal government expenditures, do you define retirement checks and medical disability checks to military and civilian federal government employees "entitlements" or "obligations"? If the government is broke, it is broke; it is as simple as that. You'd better start a vegetable garden. And make my geriatric mum your president: she never had a lot, but she always balanced her budget. An alternative is to make drugs legal and selling it the monopoly of the government. It will bring in lots of money and the users less miserable because of the lower prices.

Lucylastic -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 5:45:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave 1. I notice you didn't take me up on my offer to do a bunch of work for me around my house and then allow me to give the money that you worked for to someone who is poor and homeless. Why is it that? 2. Do you have any idea on how bat-shit crazy you sound? You've basically hit all the major leftist talking points without really saying anything of substance. a) I have a job, b) I dont work for idiots or people without compassion for the poor and sick c) do it your fucking self you lazy ass why would I even believe a word that comes out of your mouth, let alone take a job from some no name pixel on the internetz d) I pay my taxes and I get healthcare, and..guess what I prefer to pay more so that every citizen gets their healthcare(or most of it ) covered. e) Ive lived in a socialist fuck country since I was born and I will NEVER have it any other way. f)I believe in human rights for ALL citizens, not just those who can pay PS you didnt respond to any of my points or questions, so until you do, you can whistle dixie, because you are still full of shit You have only written what every right winger writes, the same crap time after time, you cant see the truth that everyone else sees. Also, because you are part of the problem not in any way working towards a solution. Bat shit crazy???? no Im just a liberal pinko commie treehugging pacifist. oh and a furrigner. Too hard for you to understand maybe, I know how people like you cant handle anything too complicated. Its a shame you cannot get away from the right wing ditto head bullshit. but I fear you are a lost cause and liable to be a very very unhappy camper for the next six years.

tweakabelle -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/1/2011 9:25:44 PM)
Hey Lucy, you got off lightly! gaybottomslave didn't criticise you in advance for making personal attacks did he? [:D] Usually our resident wing nuts are very sensitive about personal attacks. They're allowed to make them (as in gaybottomslave's odious post about you) but no one else is allowed to respond in kind. So, in their eyes, you're breaking the rules. As usual with wing nuts, truth is not an acceptable reason or defence - it's not even a recognised or familiar virtue on that part of the political spectrum.

Moonhead -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/2/2011 4:32:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Ok so then in your opinion in the United States we get to choose who we want to RULE us for some term and that is what makes us a republic right? Nothing to do with my opinion, sweetie. It's one of those legal definition things.

housesub4you -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/2/2011 6:49:18 AM)
Entitlement is a legal term created by the court system If you meet a certain standard you are entitled to said benefit. ie: if your income falls below this line and you have so many dependents you are entitled to a set amount of welfare and/or food stamps. On the other hand the GOP has called Social Security an entitlement and it is not. You pay a SS payroll tax for this. It is a trust fund created out of tax payer money. If you do not pay into Social Security, you do not get Social Security, the same is true with Medicare, you pay a payroll tax your entire life, and then when the certain triggers are pulled you can draw from this fund. Mostly after you pass age 65 and the private insurance companies have dropped you because they made their profit. Our elected officials use the term "entitlement" to create a class divide, and to sway those who can only grasp sound bytes

Lucylastic -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/2/2011 9:48:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Hey Lucy, you got off lightly! gaybottomslave didn't criticise you in advance for making personal attacks did he? [:D] Usually our resident wing nuts are very sensitive about personal attacks. They're allowed to make them (as in gaybottomslave's odious post about you) but no one else is allowed to respond in kind. So, in their eyes, you're breaking the rules. As usual with wing nuts, truth is not an acceptable reason or defence - it's not even a recognised or familiar virtue on that part of the political spectrum. oh Tweak, yeah he certainly gave me something to think about!!! LMAAAAAAAAO His dishonest "facts and truth" tho wil trip him up every time they all suck from the same tit.... dont wanna share...and no better than anyone else. they are fun to skewer : )

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/2/2011 9:59:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you Entitlement is a legal term created by the court system If you meet a certain standard you are entitled to said benefit. ie: if your income falls below this line and you have so many dependents you are entitled to a set amount of welfare and/or food stamps. On the other hand the GOP has called Social Security an entitlement and it is not. You pay a SS payroll tax for this. It is a trust fund created out of tax payer money. If you do not pay into Social Security, you do not get Social Security, the same is true with Medicare, you pay a payroll tax your entire life, and then when the certain triggers are pulled you can draw from this fund. Mostly after you pass age 65 and the private insurance companies have dropped you because they made their profit. Our elected officials use the term "entitlement" to create a class divide, and to sway those who can only grasp sound bytes Except for singling out the GOP for this, you are correct. In fact I even chastised BOR for allowing that misnomer to creep into a discussion of the debt ceiling. The response (from a staffer I hope!) was that the word has become more general and applied to all government benefits....which was exactly what I warned him against allowing!

gaybottomslave -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/3/2011 3:23:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastica) I have a job, b) I dont work for idiots or people without compassion for the poor and sick c) do it your fucking self you lazy ass why would I even believe a word that comes out of your mouth, let alone take a job from some no name pixel on the internetz d) I pay my taxes and I get healthcare, and..guess what I prefer to pay more so that every citizen gets their healthcare(or most of it ) covered. e) Ive lived in a socialist fuck country since I was born and I will NEVER have it any other way. f)I believe in human rights for ALL citizens, not just those who can pay PS you didnt respond to any of my points or questions, so until you do, you can whistle dixie, because you are still full of shit You have only written what every right winger writes, the same crap time after time, you cant see the truth that everyone else sees. Also, because you are part of the problem not in any way working towards a solution. Bat shit crazy???? no Im just a liberal pinko commie treehugging pacifist. oh and a furrigner. Too hard for you to understand maybe, I know how people like you cant handle anything too complicated. Its a shame you cannot get away from the right wing ditto head bullshit. but I fear you are a lost cause and liable to be a very very unhappy camper for the next six years. Right wing ditto head bullshit? Where, in any of my posts, have I ever mentioned Rush Limbaugh? I absolutely fucking HATE that fucking turd. Of course its much easier for you to assume something than actually take the time to realize you're wrong. Limbaugh is a fat, prescription pill popping piece of shit. Here's the most ironic part of all of this: You simply regurgitate every socialist talking point like a parrot while viewing yourself as some deep thinking intellectual. Meanwhile, you make one incorrect assumption after another about those with whom you disagree with, and then you have the audacity to infer that someone else is merely blindly saying whatever Rush Limbaugh says after you've hurled a dictionary's worth of insults at him or her. Oh the irony. The above quoted post is from a person you would call a "true believer." And I love how you so easily assume that I have no compassion...probably because I GASP believe that people should work and earn their way through life. Yet another example of a tolerant and "open-minded" liberal. Well you certainly have the name-calling and hateful responses of the liberal left down pat. Why is it that you lefties can't engage in a discussion without calling those you disagree with names and/or be insulting?

Lucylastic -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/3/2011 4:07:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave 1. I notice you didn't take me up on my offer to do a bunch of work for me around my house and then allow me to give the money that you worked for to someone who is poor and homeless. Why is it that? 2. Do you have any idea on how bat-shit crazy you sound? You've basically hit all the major leftist talking points without really saying anything of substance. a) I have a job, b) I dont work for idiots or people without compassion for the poor and sick c) do it your fucking self you lazy ass why would I even believe a word that comes out of your mouth, let alone take a job from some no name pixel on the internetz d) I pay my taxes and I get healthcare, and..guess what I prefer to pay more so that every citizen gets their healthcare(or most of it ) covered. e) Ive lived in a socialist fuck country since I was born and I will NEVER have it any other way. f)I believe in human rights for ALL citizens, not just those who can pay PS you didnt respond to any of my points or questions, so until you do, you can whistle dixie, because you are still full of shit You have only written what every right winger writes, the same crap time after time, you cant see the truth that everyone else sees. Also, because you are part of the problem not in any way working towards a solution. Bat shit crazy???? no Im just a liberal pinko commie treehugging pacifist. oh and a furrigner. Too hard for you to understand maybe, I know how people like you cant handle anything too complicated. Its a shame you cannot get away from the right wing ditto head bullshit. but I fear you are a lost cause and liable to be a very very unhappy camper for the next six years. Now, I said, you could go and whistle dixie, I meant it, I have no need of your ignorance and twirly arguments, go sit n spin.... Come back when you are actually debating and not being a little whine arse. Oh and grab a thicker skin while you are out, and a dictionary. your dictionary must be an awfully slim volume, as thin as your skin Try to live by your own words and advice, and it might help. pssssst a clue, calling someone bathit crazy is not the way to get a reasonable response in any language. done with you....nexttttttt

gaybottomslave -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/6/2011 6:06:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: gaybottomslave 1. I notice you didn't take me up on my offer to do a bunch of work for me around my house and then allow me to give the money that you worked for to someone who is poor and homeless. Why is it that? 2. Do you have any idea on how bat-shit crazy you sound? You've basically hit all the major leftist talking points without really saying anything of substance. a) I have a job, b) I dont work for idiots or people without compassion for the poor and sick c) do it your fucking self you lazy ass why would I even believe a word that comes out of your mouth, let alone take a job from some no name pixel on the internetz d) I pay my taxes and I get healthcare, and..guess what I prefer to pay more so that every citizen gets their healthcare(or most of it ) covered. e) Ive lived in a socialist fuck country since I was born and I will NEVER have it any other way. f)I believe in human rights for ALL citizens, not just those who can pay PS you didnt respond to any of my points or questions, so until you do, you can whistle dixie, because you are still full of shit You have only written what every right winger writes, the same crap time after time, you cant see the truth that everyone else sees. Also, because you are part of the problem not in any way working towards a solution. Bat shit crazy???? no Im just a liberal pinko commie treehugging pacifist. oh and a furrigner. Too hard for you to understand maybe, I know how people like you cant handle anything too complicated. Its a shame you cannot get away from the right wing ditto head bullshit. but I fear you are a lost cause and liable to be a very very unhappy camper for the next six years. Now, I said, you could go and whistle dixie, I meant it, I have no need of your ignorance and twirly arguments, go sit n spin.... Come back when you are actually debating and not being a little whine arse. Oh and grab a thicker skin while you are out, and a dictionary. your dictionary must be an awfully slim volume, as thin as your skin Try to live by your own words and advice, and it might help. pssssst a clue, calling someone bathit crazy is not the way to get a reasonable response in any language. done with you....nexttttttt Obviously comprehension isn't your forte...I didn't call you bat-shit crazy. I asked you if you knew how bat shit crazy you sounded. In the former I am saying that you are bat shit crazy. In the latter I'm asking you if you have any idea how crazy your rants sound. There is a big difference. And you've been insulting me from the get go and I've yet to retaliate. In so far as "not responding" to your original points...okay (My lettered responses will coincide with your lettered points): a) Good for you b) How the fuck do you know anything about me or my level of compassion? You know exactly jack fucking squat about me. c) So that's a no on you doing yard work and allowing me to give the money you worked for to the "poor." d) You'd prefer to pay more? You are a liar. e) Fine. Just because you're "happy" living in a socialist country that doesn't mean anyone else wants to. f) What the fuck does "human rights" have to do with a debate about out of control spending on black hole esque social welfare entitlements? This notion of a socialist utopia is bullshit and it only works in some ivory tower psuedo-intellectual capacity. Every nation that has tried communism/socialism has failed. Simply put, socialism doesn't work in the real world. Greece, England and other socialist type countries are so far in bankruptcy that they can't even provide the social services they're supposed to. The United States is now going broke trying to continue to fund Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Bottom line: The surest way to go broke is to keep spending more money than you make. But you lefties think that somehow feasible to spend your way out of debt.

Owner59 -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/6/2011 6:55:53 PM)
"Obviously comprehension isn't your forte" No,more like she doesn`t suffer fools well.

Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/6/2011 8:55:18 PM)
quote: d quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: housesub4you Entitlement is a legal term created by the court system If you meet a certain standard you are entitled to said benefit. ie: if your income falls below this line and you have so many dependents you are entitled to a set amount of welfare and/or food stamps. On the other hand the GOP has called Social Security an entitlement and it is not. You pay a SS payroll tax for this. It is a trust fund created out of tax payer money. If you do not pay into Social Security, you do not get Social Security, the same is true with Medicare, you pay a payroll tax your entire life, and then when the certain triggers are pulled you can draw from this fund. Mostly after you pass age 65 and the private insurance companies have dropped you because they made their profit. Our elected officials use the term "entitlement" to create a class divide, and to sway those who can only grasp sound bytes Except for singling out the GOP for this, you are correct. In fact I even chastised BOR for allowing that misnomer to creep into a discussion of the debt ceiling. The response (from a staffer I hope!) was that the word has become more general and applied to all government benefits....which was exactly what I warned him against allowing! for shit sake people read your damn history. entitlements were originally created [typically] by the sovereign in the form of a grant, wherein the grant created the "title" hence the title created the "priviledge" hence the validated claim of right. (right is a misnomer as it is not a right if by grant, then its a privilege but gets all fucked up in civil law terms)

Real0ne -> RE: Budget differences - Define "Entitlement" & "Obligation" (8/6/2011 8:59:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Ok so then in your opinion in the United States we get to choose who we want to RULE us for some term and that is what makes us a republic right? Nothing to do with my opinion, sweetie. It's one of those legal definition things. no shit? I never seen one of those legal definitions that you are talking about where in a republic americans get to choose their RULERS. do give me any court citation at all to that effect. so we are far worse off than a monarchy then or you have one truly fucked up definition of a republic. I choose the latter

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