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Madame4a -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 6:06:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida ...others say if it's in the mind but not also physical, then it's not real. I was hungry... I closed my eyes and saw a juicy, cheese, mushroom, and onion smothered hamburger in my mind and envisioned eating it -- and yes, I pigged out on the cheese-paper too. Then I opened my eyes... I was still hungry. [8D] [sm=cute.gif] Yes, of course if your fetish is being hand fed chunks of burger then online is going to feel a little unsatisfying. But what if your drive is to have someone else make key choices for you - how you dress, how much you study, these needs and be fulfilled from a distance surely? Fulfilled but how well? Those things can be controlled at a distance but sometimes its not just the choices being made, its the presentation of them and the outcome. Its sometimes, in a way, about being monitored. (That's rather clinical, perhaps I mean more praised and admired.) I'll give you an example -- there is a certain segment of this world that would love to dress up and clean my house. If I could let them in, walk away for the day and come home to a sparkling house -- I'd do it -- weekly. But its not about cleaning the house (with instructions) its about me watching, admonishing, punishing, praising and generally supervising. I'm sure some are fine with the distance and online choices being made for them, but I think its a lot more than that.

kuppykake -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 9:15:18 AM)
I think it just depends on what you're after. Who defines what is real? If it's online it's cyber....cyber sex can be very real for some people. Others need the actual, concrete thing. For many, the cyber world is full of fun, and it's also safe, and perhaps less demanding. If you find someone online who turns out to be not so great in the end, all you have to do is "disconnect" from them...there's nothing saying you'll ever have to make another encounter with that person (unless you're sub and choose an online relationship like that) Personally, I gotta have the real thing eventually. Real life is more challenging, and I like a good challenge.

thishereboi -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 9:18:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather just a quick note before i head out, i never said "it's all about fucking" i said "it is fucking." the whole of wiitwd is a form of sex, it is an expression of sexuality, it is rooted in the sex drive. yes ladyp, fear and pain are processed faster, but they aren't primal motivations, they are survival tools. they are intended to help you with the 2nd motivation, that of survival. Our local Goddess used to hold a fund raiser every year. My domme at the time loaned me to her to serve in any way she needed. I carted boxes, sold tickets and ran a couple errands. Where the fuck was the fucking? If it is all about fucking why wasn't I wet at the end of the day? What the fuck, did I miss something somewhere? I thought it was all about making her day easier and all this time I was supposed to be getting off on it. What the fuck?

tj444 -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 9:20:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Our local Goddess used to hold a fund raiser every year. My domme at the time loaned me to her to serve in any way she needed. I carted boxes, sold tickets and ran a couple errands. Where the fuck was the fucking? If it is all about fucking why wasn't I wet at the end of the day? What the fuck, did I miss something somewhere? I thought it was all about making her day easier and all this time I was supposed to be getting off on it. What the fuck? that is just sooooo funny... I need to get me a boi... [:D]

NuevaVida -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 10:08:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA And a month later... you were DEAD -- from STARVATION -- because your spiritual "nourishment" didn't teach you that a "fast", by definition, is TEMPORARY. Delusion: An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained, despite being contradicted by reality. Where the heck did I talk about the duration of the fast? Look, I've already said online wouldn't be fulfilling for me. I'm just tossing out alternative views, because I like considering all options. Obviously other folks don't, regarding this topic. That's cool with me, go enjoy your burger. [;)]

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 10:09:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida ...others say if it's in the mind but not also physical, then it's not real. I was hungry... I closed my eyes and saw a juicy, cheese, mushroom, and onion smothered hamburger in my mind and envisioned eating it -- and yes, I pigged out on the cheese-paper too. Then I opened my eyes... I was still hungry. [8D] [sm=cute.gif] Yes, of course if your fetish is being hand fed chunks of burger then online is going to feel a little unsatisfying. 1. To recap the question being asked in the OP: quote: There's such a difference of opinion on if online slavery is real slavery or if it's only real if it's in person... Thus, we're addressing "slavery", not a "fetish" -- and I don't personally consider slavery a "fetish". 2. I personally wouldn't find it a "little unsatisfying", I'd find it completely worthless -- a delusional joke, if I'm being blunt. quote: ...what if your drive is to have someone else make key choices for you - how you dress, how much you study, these needs and be fulfilled from a distance surely? I don't personally consider this "slavery", and certainly not ownership -- if it were, then all parents would be considered slave owners.

BitaTruble -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 10:30:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Our local Goddess used to hold a fund raiser every year. My domme at the time loaned me to her to serve in any way she needed. I carted boxes, sold tickets and ran a couple errands. Where the fuck was the fucking? If it is all about fucking why wasn't I wet at the end of the day? What the fuck, did I miss something somewhere? I thought it was all about making her day easier and all this time I was supposed to be getting off on it. What the fuck? Lots of people get into BDSM and D/s or M/s because of fucking. What may draw someone to it is not always going to be the same as what keeps them in it for the long haul. Many evolve or progess into a different sort of mindset and have different motivations for what it is that they do and some stay at the same place they have always been and are happy and content. There are lots of people who think their way is the only way, their reasons are the only reasons, their style is the only style and that BDSM, M/s or D/s is all about fucking or is simply fucking and that's how it is for everyone. They are wrong.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 11:02:38 AM)
fucking typical. quote a post that says it isn't "all about fucking" as its main point, and then say "If it is all about fucking why wasn't I wet at the end of the day?" just fucking typical. boi, i realize you have issues with the language and all, but for fuck's sake, at least try, ok? try.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 11:07:46 AM)
quote: Lots of people get into BDSM and D/s or M/s because of fucking. What may draw someone to it is not always going to be the same as what keeps them in it for the long haul. Many evolve or progess into a different sort of mindset and have different motivations for what it is that they do and some stay at the same place they have always been and are happy and content. There are lots of people who think their way is the only way, their reasons are the only reasons, their style is the only style and that BDSM, M/s or D/s is all about fucking or is simply fucking and that's how it is for everyone. They are wrong. and then there people who are too afraid of what they are to accept it and so dress their baser instincts up in imaginary spiritual claptrap and think of themselves as more evolved than others just so they can feel better about themselves. they are delusional and are liars.

thishereboi -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 11:08:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather fucking typical. quote a post that says it isn't "all about fucking" as its main point, and then say "If it is all about fucking why wasn't I wet at the end of the day?" just fucking typical. boi, i realize you have issues with the language and all, but for fuck's sake, at least try, ok? try. So sorry, it must have been all that fucking that got me confuzelled.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 11:20:27 AM)
weird, i usually find a nice long fucking clears my head. tires me out, but it focuses me.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 11:41:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA And a month later... you were DEAD -- from STARVATION -- because your spiritual "nourishment" didn't teach you that a "fast", by definition, is TEMPORARY. Delusion: An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained, despite being contradicted by reality. Where the heck did I talk about the duration of the fast? I'll connect the lines... 1. The topic at hand (as defined in the OP) is if online equates to R-E-A-L slavery, or not. 2. A parallel, of sorts, was provided to demonstrate a mental belief (envisioning food/eating... envisioning oneself a slave) does not equate to a physical reality (there is no food... there is no slave/Owner -- just a keyboard/monitor). 3. An attempt, of sorts, was made, by you, to equate a mental belief (envisioning food/eating... envisioning oneself a slave/Owner) as equating to a physical reality (no need for food in lieu of "spiritual nourishment" during a "fast"... no need for an actual physical person in lieu of a keyboard/monitor/imagination). 4. Just as fasting is a TEMPORARY abstinence from food, for those seeking to be slaves/owned, online (for the non-delusional majority) is a TEMPORARY substitute to in-person/real-time slavery/ownership -- and that which is often either a precursor to the physical, or a TEMPORARY substitute between the physical. 5. Much to the horror of some... [image]local://upfiles/687741/8CD45718137347D8AE9D6D44CE260C22.jpg[/image]

imperatrixx -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 12:16:48 PM)
the photo on the left is slightly less disgusting than the photo on the right.

Ishtarr -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 12:38:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: by referring to it as masturbation because that's what it fucking well is. you are alone in front of the screen engaging in a sexual act. now i may be wrong but the last time i checked the only type of sex you can have when you are alone is masturbation. quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather heather gets wet washing the floor, its overtly fucking sexual to her. i don't get wet telling her to wash the floor, but i sure as fuck like having the authority to tell her. Just curious... Do you consider heather to be masturbating if she washes the floor after you order her to do so?

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 12:49:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imperatrixx Exemplary, nontheless.

DecadentDesire -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 12:52:28 PM)
Whatever. (That's all I think this topic is worth)

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 12:56:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Our local Goddess used to hold a fund raiser every year. My domme at the time loaned me to her to serve in any way she needed. I carted boxes, sold tickets and ran a couple errands. I've "loaned" my car to friends too... didn't mean they owned it.

poise -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 12:59:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AcademyForSlaves There's such a difference of opinion on if online slavery is real slavery or if it's only real if it's in person While my preference will always be face to face, flesh to flesh, I don't believe someones dominance over me changes simply because they chose a different medium in which to express it in. As for the argument that all D/s BDSM M/s and the like are all relationships that revolve around sex, and that fucking is only fucking if it's in the flesh, and anything else is masturbation, yada yada yada. So what? If he is at the other end of the wire and directing me to do so, he hasn't lost an ounce of dominance. Many of you are so busy being blinded by labels and policing those that don't fit into them. Screw that. Label me happy.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 1:22:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble Many evolve or progess into a different sort of mindset and have different motivations for what it is that they do... True... though keeping the rubber Vulcan ears in place seems a frequent source of frustration for them?!! [8D] [image]local://upfiles/687741/5D43DDE52A0341DF84FD69F877A5B06E.jpg[/image]

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Real Life vs Online Slavery (8/1/2011 1:26:26 PM)
quote: Just curious... Do you consider heather to be masturbating if she washes the floor after you order her to do so? good point. i hadn't fucking thought about it that way, but yeah, i guess i would. it's a bit of a stretch unless she's actually touching herself, but if she's doing it when i'm not around, then i'd consider that a form of masturbation. if we're together, then i'd call it foreplay.

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