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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/4/2011 3:53:32 PM   
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Republicans love to play hot potato. I agree with you, the graph in lock's post shows when the lending sky rocketed.

The truth is, not everyone is cut out to own a home. A down payment is a wonderful screening device. If a person cannot save up X% to buy a home, then maybe he's not really ready to assume that kind of commitment and responsibility.


Excuse me.  Perhaps you would like to tell me the year in which Glass Steagall was repealed and how much time Clinton had left to his presidency?  Perhaps then you would like to explain how the chart would not have skyrocketed under ANYONE'S presidency other than Clinton's.

The part in bold is VERY accurate.

Glass-Steagel removed Depression era rule that required depsoitory banks and investment banks to be seperate entities. Prior to its repeal it was already being violated by virtually all depositiry banks.

This rule change had nothing to do with predatory lending practices or the resultant RE bubble and fraudulent bond issuance.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/4/2011 4:07:30 PM   
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Republicans love to play hot potato. I agree with you, the graph in lock's post shows when the lending sky rocketed.

The truth is, not everyone is cut out to own a home. A down payment is a wonderful screening device. If a person cannot save up X% to buy a home, then maybe he's not really ready to assume that kind of commitment and responsibility.


Excuse me.  Perhaps you would like to tell me the year in which Glass Steagall was repealed and how much time Clinton had left to his presidency?  Perhaps then you would like to explain how the chart would not have skyrocketed under ANYONE'S presidency other than Clinton's.

The part in bold is VERY accurate.

Post #106 your boy W.
To open up the doors of homeownership there are some barriers, and I want to talk about four that need to be overcome. First, down payments. A lot of folks can’t make a down payment. They may be qualified. They may desire to buy a home, but they don’t have the money to make a down payment. I think if you were to talk to a lot of families that are desirous to have a home, they would tell you that the down payment is the hurdle that they can’t cross. And one way to address that is to have the federal government participate.

thats the bolded part problem, and if you cant poney up the cash.......

check 2003 and on in your chart and see if you cant use that 'legal' mind of yours and sort of look into the past a little.


pathetically defending the lost cause with graphics that slay you is not the mark of the even way below average jurisprudent, because people actually tend to believe their lyin eyes.......

and you take a picture of the smoking gun in their hand and say, see? 


and btw, if cloud had posted on this thread earlier than post #125 I need to revise and extend my remarks, cuz I believe he is a throat.


The graphics don't slay me, knottedhead.  Clinton signed a disastrous repeal as he left town.  There was no subprime market prior to his doing that.  So your fool of a president paved the way for a phenomenal melt down.  Tell me how many Fannie Mae backed loans were written under the Bush Era?  Who was in charge?  What role did Andrew Cuomo play knottedhead?

You are pretty stupid after all of this time to think I am a Bush supporter.  I am more passionate about laying blame for the crisis where it belongs than supporting a president that was only a hair more conservative than John McCain who is about as conservative as Hillary Fucking Clinton.  So thank you for your .....what?  Asswipe post.  Here's another article for you and your dimwitted tribe:

Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie How the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history gave birth to the mortgage crisis A A A Comments (33) By Wayne Barrett Tuesday, Aug 5 2008 There are as many starting points for the mortgage meltdown as there are fears about how far it has yet to go, but one decisive point of departure is the final years of the Clinton administration, when a kid from Queens without any real banking or real-estate experience was the only man in Washington with the power to regulate the giants of home finance, the Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), better known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Photograph by Staci Schwartz. Baby Models: Pescha and Sophia Samiljan Details Research assistance by Samuel Breidbart, Brian Colgan, Tatyana Gulko, Sarah Lavery, and Amanda Stutt Related Content More About Andrew Cuomo, the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history, made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country's current crisis. He took actions that—in combination with many other factors—helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments. He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded "kickbacks" to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. Three to four million families are now facing foreclosure, and Cuomo is one of the reasons why. What he did is important—not just because of what it tells us about how we got in this hole, but because of what it says about New York's attorney general, who has been trying for months to don a white hat in the subprime scandal, pursuing cases against banks, appraisers, brokers, rating agencies, and multitrillion-dollar, quasi-public Fannie and Freddie. It all starts, as the headlines of recent weeks do, with these two giant banks. But in the hubbub about their bailout, few have noticed that the only federal agency with the power to regulate what Cuomo has called "the gods of Washington" was HUD. Congress granted that power in 1992, so there were only four pre-crisis secretaries at the notoriously political agency that had the ability to rein in Fannie and Freddie: ex–Texas mayor Henry Cisneros and Bush confidante Alfonso Jackson, who were driven from office by criminal investigations; Mel Martinez, who left to chase a U.S. Senate seat in Florida; and Cuomo, who used the agency as a launching pad for his disastrous 2002 gubernatorial candidacy. With that many pols at the helm, it's no wonder that most analysts have portrayed Fannie and Freddie as if they were unregulated renegades, and rarely mentioned HUD in the ongoing finger-pointing exercise that has ranged, appropriately enough, from Wall Street to Alan Greenspan. But the near-collapse of these dual pillars in recent weeks is rooted in the HUD junkyard, where every Cuomo decision discussed here was later ratified by his Bush successors. And that's not an accident: Perhaps the only domestic issue George Bush and Bill Clinton were in complete agreement about was maximizing home ownership, each trying to lay claim to a record percentage of homeowners, and both describing their efforts as a boon to blacks and Hispanics. HUD, Fannie, and Freddie were their instruments, and, as is now apparent, the more unsavory the means, the greater the growth. But, as Paul Krugman noted in the Times recently, "homeownership isn't for everyone," adding that as many as 10 million of the new buyers are stuck now with negative home equity—meaning that with falling house prices, their mortgages exceed the value of their homes. So many others have gone through foreclosure that there's been a net loss in home ownership since 1998. It is also worth remembering that the motive for this bipartisan ownership expansion probably had more to do with the legion of lobbyists working for lenders, brokers, and Wall Street than an effort to walk in MLK's footsteps. Each mortgage was a commodity that could be sold again and again—from the brokers to the bankers to the securities market. If, at the bottom of this pyramid, the borrower collapsed under the weight of his mortgage's impossible terms, the home could be repackaged a second or a third time and either refinanced or dumped on a new victim. Those are the interests that surrounded Cuomo, who did more to set these forces of unregulated expansion in motion than any other secretary and then boasted about it, presenting his initiatives as crusades for racial and social justice. Cuomo was shrewd enough at the age of 24 to manage his father's successful 1982 gubernatorial campaign, and to help run his government. The only statewide campaign his father ever lost was in 1994—when Andrew was at HUD as an assistant secretary and couldn't manage it. He is as quick and as silver-tongued as the elder Cuomo he sounds so much like, but HUD was a test of his depth, so he found himself balancing competing forces and making deals on a grander scale than he was used to in Albany. We now know that he was also making history. In 2000, Cuomo required a quantum leap in the number of affordable, low-to-moderate-income loans that the two mortgage banks—known collectively as Government Sponsored Enterprises—would have to buy. The GSEs don't actually sell mortgages to borrowers. They buy them from banks and mortgage companies, allowing lenders to replenish their capital and make more loans. They also purchase mortgage-backed securities, which are pools of mortgages regularly acquired by the GSEs from investment firms. The government chartered these banks to pump money into the mortgage market and, while they did it, to make a strong enough profit to attract shareholders. That created a tug-of-war between their efforts to maximize shareholder value, which drove them toward high-end mortgages, and their congressionally mandated obligation to finance loans for those who needed help. The 1992 law required HUD's secretary to make sure housing goals were being met and, every four years, set new goals for Fannie and Freddie.   

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/4/2011 4:14:15 PM   
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you are a grand invertabrate you are.  end of joke a republican caused meltdown.

you couldnt find your ass with two hands and a flashlight.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/4/2011 4:16:23 PM   
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Thank you for proving me right, knottedhead. :)  You are partisan to the extent that you are dishonest.  Call yourself a democrat with pride, my boy.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/4/2011 7:51:58 PM   
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Clinton signed a disastrous repeal as he left town.


Who passed the law in the first place? If we want to shove blame downstream, seems we need to go further back in time.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/4/2011 7:59:26 PM   
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The thing for me Locked, is that I think there are actually things that people can work out.  For example, I don't agree with your assessment of some welfare programs.  I may not agree on some other issues as well.  I'm sure we both have our reasons for our opinions.  I'm also sure that there are issues that we probably agree on (I think you stated a few).  Now we (as in all of us in the country) can spend our time concentrating on the areas where we disagree or we can work on those areas where we have the most agreement first.  What I just saw in our "leaders" was them taking the most polarizing topics and yelling them at each other from across the floor.

I just can't believe that if people are willing talk and listen that there aren't some areas that we can can all agree on to solve.

For example, I think most of us recognize the need pay people unemployment if they paid unemployment insurance.  I'm sure that most of us agree that we need to make the social security payments that we promised to make when people made SSI payments. I also think that most of us see that there was a baby boom with a bell curve of working people that we are now on the bad side of paying into these systems.  So it's a mess.  I think if we (I mean our elected officials) can work some of those issues out first instead of simply yelling at each other then at least some of our problems get resolved.  If we don't do that then we tend to solve none of our problems.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 2:04:44 AM   
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It depends on your definition of "wealthy". If you want to stick to a mathematical definition of "middle" and anything above that is wealthy, obviously you are correct.

Anything above the middle is wealthy? LOL, of course not. That said, making 5x as much as the middle? Yeah, that is wealthy.

What I really don't get is how anyone at all versed in economics can seriously claim that someone who is making more than 98% of their fellow countrymen is in any way 'middle class', upper notwithstanding. By that logic (and math), anyone making more than $2500 per year is also 'middle class'. Ummm, really?
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If you talk about differences in lifestyle then "wealthy" is very subjective. My "middle class" definition is obviously much wider, ie it takes a lot more to move from upper middle class to wealthy than yours.

I suspect you are confusing the words 'wealthy' and 'rich' here. That said, for those who can afford it, lifestyle is a choice. Last I checked, those making a certain income weren't forced to buy big houses or expensive cars.
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To me the difference is that the wealthy can buy what they want [within reason] when they want without thinking "Can I afford this". By within reason I mean that Im not talking about airplanes, boats etc, but am talking about 100k cars, European vacations, etc. UMC cant.

Now you are confusing the terms rich and super rich. If you can drop $100,000 on a car without considering if you can afford it, you are fucking rich.
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Since youre in SoCal you might understand this comparison...to me upper middle class is a 3500 sq foot home in Laguna Niguel. Wealthy is a 2200 sq ft home in Emerald Bay. They are vastly different worlds, but the 2200 sf home in Emerald Bay certainly doesnt require "super wealth".

I understand it better than you may think and pardon my laughter, please.
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Youre welcome to your own defintion, but to put it another way, the $250k earner in SoCal is living from paycheck to paycheck, not drawing on a trust fund.
I'm trying here, Willbe, but really... living paycheck to paycheck??? Are you fucking kidding me??? That phrase has a definition, and it sure as hell is not what you seem to think.


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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 2:23:08 AM   
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And that doesnt mean that we cant look at it the opposite way and understand that 25k in SoCal is under a lot more stress than 250k. In fact once I got my ass off of friends' floors I was sleeping on and then out of the Army my income in todays dollars was probably about $28k in pre-gentrification Hoboken. It was a struggle without a roommate and no car needed. I cant imagine having to live on that in SoCal, where a car is nearly mandatory to get to work.

No, you can't. That isn't a slam, Willbe, it is just a fact. BTW, along with taxes, rent, and utilities, I do have car payments. and insurance payments.


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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 4:41:03 AM   
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I just can't believe that if people are willing talk and listen that there aren't some areas that we can can all agree on to solve.

The problem there is that both sides must be credited for a negotiated compromise solution, and the GOP would rather see the electorate cut up for organ transplants to pay off Chinese baliffs than do anything that will involve the Dems receiving any credit, particularly after the Dems have had the bad taste to beat them in a presidential election.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 6:04:48 AM   
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Thank you for proving me right, knottedhead. :)  You are partisan to the extent that you are dishonest.  Call yourself a democrat with pride, my boy.


LOLOLOL. I trounce your ass with fact and reason and thats all you got?  Call yourself a fuckin clown. You make some blase (and thats at best) and mendacious specious arguement, and want to shift the blame for the actions of the congress on to a democrat solely because hes a democrat.

You lose, take off your pants, that is a republican country destroying corporate appeasement strategy all the way, you are still a laughingstock among the mindful people. Your stock has not risen.  You may indeed be a buttplug, but you ain't a licensed one.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 6:38:44 AM   
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Thank you for proving me right, knottedhead. :)  You are partisan to the extent that you are dishonest.  Call yourself a democrat with pride, my boy.


LOLOLOL. I trounce your ass with fact and reason and thats all you got?  Call yourself a fuckin clown. You make some blase (and thats at best) and mendacious specious arguement, and want to shift the blame for the actions of the congress on to a democrat solely because hes a democrat.

You lose, take off your pants, that is a republican country destroying corporate appeasement strategy all the way, you are still a laughingstock among the mindful people. Your stock has not risen.  You may indeed be a buttplug, but you ain't a licensed one.


There is no reason associated with politics unless you insist the attitude of "ignore everything my side did and skewer everyone on the other side"  being blended with "win at all costs" is sane and reasonable.

Want facts? Both sides can and will dredge them up to support the attitudes above, neither really gives a shit about you until election time, and both sides are culpable in the swirling, chaotic, and shitty mess in which the nation currently finds itself.

My willingness to engage in discourse in real life terms has a lot to do with whether or not the person in front of me has a D or R next to their name when it comes to political affiliations. If they do, I'm more likely to tell them they're an idiot and walk away, than either listen or discuss whatever topic is at hand. I'm so fucking tired of the fortress mentality wherein both sides create the facade of some high ground, erect their palisades and fire shots at each other through the arrow slits. 

It wouldn't be so bad if there was a higher ground somewhere, but both sides sit mired in the muck, feces, and clotted drool of their own idealism.


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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 6:51:52 AM   
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Well, good for you, for what it's worth.  The question at hand in my mind is should Glass-Steagall be put back in law.  My answer yes. 

Regarding everyone lost on the budget deal (which was the original statement on this thread) my answer was yes.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:21:28 AM   
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Willbeur I probably don't agree with you politically but I do agree that $250K isn't some tremendous amount of income.  To those who are struggling on $25K it seems like a fortune but at $25K you are probably not paying for 4 years of collage for your kids.  Nobody like financial stress.  Nobody likes it when the bank calls.  I'm not sure what income provides for stress free living but I'm pretty sure that it isn't $250K.


What fucking planet are you on? 250k isn't wealthy? lol

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:25:29 AM   
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I agree with not loosing our mind over things Willbeur.  I just want there to be an honest and fact based discussion about those things.  If a company says that they want to completely poison 10 acres (but only 10 acres) of land but it will generate 1000 jobs and put $100M into the economy then I'd likely go for that.  If they said they want to poison an entire states water supply so they can double their profit then I would NOT go for that.  What I typically hear is an argument that sounds like "it's bad for the environment" verses "we will create jobs."  I can't make any opinion at all on that kind of nonsense.  I need to know how bad for the environment and how many jobs and I need the real and honest data for that.  I don't need to hear one news source saying we are all going to die of cancer tomorrow because of Company A and another news source saying that the entire worlds economy is going to fall apart if Company A doesn't get to do whatever it's trying to do.



Man, you can't be that fucking simple. Show me one time where you can exaclty state..."oh I am only going to poison 10 acres and nothing else". Live in realtiy

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:37:01 AM   
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250K a year around here and I have a 4000 SF house on the lake with My own boat dock and a couple of boats. Travel about anywhere and any time I want and no significant debt within 4 years.

I'd call that wealthy.

Location location location. $250k in TN is a totally different world than $250k in coastal CA.
No offense, Willbe, but as someone making ends meet on about 1/10th of that (I live in coastal CA, too), I kind of have to call bullshit on the idea that $250K somehow isn't wealthy, even here.

TBH, watching those who rank in the top 1.5% as regards (US) income trying to pretend they are 'middle class' makes me a bit ill. HillWilliam is quite correct, regardless of location.



When I wrote that I wasn't sure if 250k was the right target in terms of defining the boundaries between those who wore the mantel of wealthy and everyone else, the immediate assumption was that I was trying to protect my wealth at the expense of all the poor and downtrodden, who have no options in life but to be poor and downtrodden. What I said was, that I wasn't so sure that figure was the right place where the notion of chanting crowds standing in front of a guillotine was acceptable, because that's essentially what the figure defines. The Democratic party, ever the purveyor of class warfare ideals, picked the figure around which to rally all of those who feel poor and downtrodden.

First, a couple of notes. 250k is the household income target, not the individual income target. One can make 199k, and as long as one's significant other doesn't exceed 51k, they are safe from the hordes. 200k is the individual income level at which one becomes vilified.

Second, I'm not one of the vaunted few. At the same time, our household income does not put the target completely out of reach, meaning it's not quite like standing on one side of a chasm, and gazing across at the other side, assuming it to be completely out of reach and destined only for the chosen or those of noble birth.

And finally, as someone else noted quite succinctly, everyone's reality differs. HillWilliam lives right down the road from me - somewhere. That somewhere isn't far though. I could just as easily post my hometown to be the same as his given that I live in the same three city triangle where he defines as home.  The devil and difference, as they say, is in the details.

Without going into too many details, my own road is one that encompassed paying for three college educations, paying mortgage and utility bills for an ex for a year and half while she finished her degree, donating about 20k to another kids education. The first three is just something I have always considered my responsibility, one that goes past the basic raising to trying to give them the best foot forward in life. The last two, I was under no obligation to do, legally or personally. But the kid.. I was about the only father he ever knew even though I wasn't his father. That one deserted him when he was 5. The ex... no legal obligation there either but we didn't fight our way through a divorce and come out hating each other. Aside from all the other things life throws at you, these generated a fairly heavy debt load - one that I carried without making much progress at ending until about 7 years ago. When the success started coming, I didn't use it for excess. I used it in a fairly aggressive attack on that debt load. The last bit of it should be paid in full by early next year.

Like I said, income isn't at 250, but it's not like looking across the ocean either. It certainly doesn't feel wealthy though, nor does the marking of 250 appear excessively wealthy. Maybe it will in a year or two. Maybe how it feels then will be reshaped. Dunno. What I do know is that in defining the point at which class envy and class warfare is acceptable, that marker doesn't seem that high. It's odd too that the markers discourage long term commitment in official form, since two people who do not do so have an effective limit of 400k instead of 250.

Either way, I know exactly what it's like to live on next to nothing. I did it for many years. It may sound extravagant to say my house is close to the same size as hw's but truth is, I bought it after the last owner defaulted and trashed it. It was totally unlivable the day I signed papers on it. I had to replace every floor in the place just to walk in it. If that wasn't enough, the heat pump had been destroyed, the bathroom's denuded of fixtures, cabinets - to the point bare wires hung out of the walls where light fixtures once sat. So while it's a decent house on good property, the value on it stood well under 100k when I bought it. I bought it, using money I'd made off the sale of a house I built myself at a cost roughly 1/3rd of what a developer wanted to charge me.

So yeah, everyone's reality is different.



Seriously, fucking laughable that you are whining about things and you are a fucking stones throw from 250k? No matter how you get there. 4000sq ft? ..............you've lost your way and you can't even begin to see reality..

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:44:53 AM   
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Well, good for you, for what it's worth.  The question at hand in my mind is should Glass-Steagall be put back in law.  My answer yes. 

Regarding everyone lost on the budget deal (which was the original statement on this thread) my answer was yes.


Instead of being an insufferable fucking dolt, perhaps you should have said that initially.  I think Glass Steagall should be reinstated and that the former president you sound like you would like to dance the fellatio tango with never should have vetoed its repeal and bears responsibility for not doing so.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:49:22 AM   
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DYB, if you had an ounce of reading comprehension, you would see that I am NOT claiming to be anywhere near 250K nor was I complaining in any way, shape, form or fashion. I was simply stating what it would buy in this part of the country. Kinda like "gas is $3.54/gallon here what is it where you live?" Simply a statement of fact, and demonstrating that, yes, $250K/year IS wealthy in some places. DAMN wealthy.

READ the post, then instead of a kneejerk shoot your mouth off fest, think "maybe this guy agrees with me". Then, react accordingly.

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:49:38 AM   
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Did you read the replies from DYB to your posts?  Was it you that I advised that if you revealed you have achieved any level of success to the liberals on this board that you would be castigated by these loser fucks? You are right, $250.000.00 does not feel rich, does it?  Especially since you worked hard to get it, raised a family and paid $100,000 or more in taxes on it.  No...people like DYB will say that you don't live in reality.  That isn't true, you just don't live in THEIR reality because you made sure you wouldn't.  By the same token, they don't live in your reality and will never muster up the courage, ambition, discipline or responsibility to do so.

Oooops...I stand corrected.  It was Hill that said his income approached $250,000.00.  Is that right, Hill?  Is approached the appropriate word?  Well...what I have said to Musical applies equally to you.  If you are making that much money, they people view you with contempt because you certainly could not have "earned" it.


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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:52:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

DYB, if you had an ounce of reading comprehension, you would see that I am NOT claiming to be anywhere near 250K nor was I complaining in any way, shape, form or fashion. I was simply stating what it would buy in this part of the country. Kinda like "gas is $3.54/gallon here what is it where you live?" Simply a statement of fact, and demonstrating that, yes, $250K/year IS wealthy in some places. DAMN wealthy.

READ the post, then instead of a kneejerk shoot your mouth off fest, think "maybe this guy agrees with me". Then, react accordingly.


I will if you will you big cock. I think I replied to stangerthan.

READ the post, then instead of  a kneejerk shoot your mouth off fest, think "maybe this guy agrees with me". Then react accordingly

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RE: Almost everyone lost on the budget deal. - 8/5/2011 9:53:41 AM   
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Then learn to trim a post.

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