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RE: And the war on freedom and individual liberty conti... - 8/7/2011 10:53:34 PM   
TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Reverse a geo-thermal system and it makes cool air.


You might want to check that.  I'm pretty sure what you get is a constant temperature, that feels warmer or cooler, depending if we are talking about say a 70 degree breeze on a 110 degree day, vs that same 70 when it's freezing outside.

I'd like to get some panels up here, but the numbers have to work out right.  So far, they don't.  We're just too energy efficient in our lifestyle choices, and the bills aren't high enough to justify it.

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RE: And the war on freedom and individual liberty conti... - 8/8/2011 2:46:03 AM   
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Let me get this straight, Ken.  I respond to your bragging press release about new solar/wind projects underway with a perspective from on the ground where they have already been building such plants for years, where I drive past abandoned/idled sites every day, but I'm the one dismissing facts with a handwave? 

Windmills are ugly, and noisy, and both the immediate neighbors, and anybody who likes to look at the mountains, hate them, and are coming together in an organized way to oppose the projects.   I linked earlier to a story about the eagle kills reaching a place where the feds can't turn a blind eye any longer, and are starting to investigate.

The solar tower concept, one I thought sounded like a very cool idea, isn't working right, and the rare days they turn it on the intense bright spot creates a hazard for drivers on nearby roads, not to mention the birds that burst into flames when they get too close. 

The classic photovoltaic systems lose efficiency at higher temperatures (which is when the demand for power goes to peak levels), and where we've had them up for a couple years around here, the surfaces are degrading more quickly than testing suggested it would, leading to reduced lifespan, and increased costs.

There is another trend developing too.  A number of the companies getting these projects going are selling out very quickly, even before construction is complete.  Not to big power conglomerates that would know what they are buying, mind you, but to investment groups, and other start-ups who want to be in this hot new field.  Fertile ground for fraud.

Please, Ken, you lying pussy, do tell me how your link to Michigan's plans addresses any of that.

As for Michelle, it seems very easy for her to take a simple conservative point, and drag it out into something else entirely.  Not that Mother Jones is to be considered anything but an Obama mouthpiece anyway.

So you didn't actually read what I presented. Why didn't you just say so liar? go back upthread and follow the link and read the article and then maybe you can respond to the actual facts contained within and not your fantasy about what it contains.

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RE: And the war on wildlife continues - 8/8/2011 10:11:31 AM   
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Unlike others, as long as things are civil, you know I will actually listen.


So long as you can be uncivil

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RE: And the war on wildlife continues - 8/8/2011 10:16:20 AM   
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Skyrocketing energy costs hurt everyone, and the most vulnerable among us are hurt the most.


Those are the ones that hugo chaves gives free heating oil to.
Pretty sad comentary when a socialist foriegner cares more about the poor in the u.s. than you or the u.s. government.

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RE: And the war on freedom and individual liberty conti... - 8/8/2011 10:25:17 AM   
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The sun doesn't always shine


The day the sun stops shining dick you and the rest of us have about 8 minutes to live.

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RE: And the war on freedom and individual liberty conti... - 8/8/2011 10:35:17 AM   
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Speaking of civility, how did the title of my thread get hijacked and changed?  Not cool, why not just start your own thread?


< Message edited by Iamsemisweet -- 8/8/2011 11:00:42 AM >


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