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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 2:59:22 PM   
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Now, the question is, will gold make $2500?

I think the odds are good, that in two to five years, people will look back at gold at $2500 an ounce, and wish they had bought a bunch.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 3:07:47 PM   
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Boy, things just keep getting better and better with Oblunder in office don't they?

They do.  We need relentless conservatism and we get nothing like it.  But, again, I am passionate in my belief that this is exactly what O'scumbag wants.  It is the first major step to socializing the U.S.; breaking the fucking back of the middle class. 

What has happened today, I have been talking about since 2006.  Even before this piece of shit got elected cocksucker in chief.  Once I heard about the Statement of Principles signed by W. to create the No. American Union, I started buying guns and stockpiling food regularly.  And I was right in doing so.

So he is following the neocon script after all ? Still don't like how 'socialism' is so easily thrown around. When I read that word, the first thing I think of wall street, then there are all of others too big to fail in our cutthroat free-market [sic] capitalism.

The creation of this mess has been the handy work of a whole lotta piece-of-shit, cock-suckers-in-chief. Also piece-of-shit, cock-suckers-in-congress.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 3:29:59 PM   
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Now, the question is, will gold make $2500? 


JP Morgan expects it to by the end of the year.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 3:40:22 PM   
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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 4:03:23 PM   
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That is funny coming from some loser that has to wait for a check every month when the rest of us go out and make our money.


Let me see if I underestand you correctly. He gets a check every month and does not work.
You are jealous because you don't so you call him a loser.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 4:06:06 PM   
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Boy, things just keep getting better and better with Oblunder in office don't they?

They do.  We need relentless conservatism and we get nothing like it.  But, again, I am passionate in my belief that this is exactly what O'scumbag wants.  It is the first major step to socializing the U.S.; breaking the fucking back of the middle class. 

What has happened today, I have been talking about since 2006.  Even before this piece of shit got elected cocksucker in chief.  Once I heard about the Statement of Principles signed by W. to create the No. American Union, I started buying guns and stockpiling food regularly.  And I was right in doing so.

So he is following the neocon script after all ? Still don't like how 'socialism' is so easily thrown around. When I read that word, the first thing I think of wall street, then there are all of others too big to fail in our cutthroat free-market [sic] capitalism.

The creation of this mess has been the handy work of a whole lotta piece-of-shit, cock-suckers-in-chief. Also piece-of-shit, cock-suckers-in-congress.


Again........this is soooo exhausting........the last president I supported was Reagan.  I am not a fan of W!  Did he protect the borders?  No.  Did he reduce the size of government?  No.  Did he sign a Statement of Principles regarding the creation of the North American Union?  Yes.  Did he curb spending?  NO. 

Why in the name of jumping Jesus do you call W. a conservative????????????  For fuck sake!  Neither was his dad....not by a LONG SHOT. 

Hey....Rodgers....broaden your thinking.  Just give it a shot.  How much difference do you see between HW.....Clinton.....W.....and Obama.  You can look at minutia or bullshit social issues but don't waste your time...that stuff is largely bread and circus.  Look at the broader issues.  Do you see vast differences between any of the 4 men or do you see....in all honesty....negligible differences; 10 degrees more or less in this direction....as much as 17 degrees in this or that direction?  I say the latter.

And I also say that what we need is someone that makes a radical course adjustment that is shocking; a regressive tax system, a reduction in corporate taxes, term limits, no lobbying, no corporate campaign contributions, massive overhauls in education, health care, welfare, projects, foreign aid, arts funding, nation building and more.

P.S.  What do you think the most extreme "conservative" position a candidate could take would be?  Would it sound something like this?  "The government has certain enumerated powers.  In the past 150 years, the central government has pre-empted the field in a variety of areas of the lives of our citizens.  The essential tenet of this administration is going to be to disengage from as many areas as possible and allow the states more determination in those areas for the residents of their states.  This is not a blanket abdication of the responsibilities that have been undertaken by the Federal Government as much as it is an endeavor to return to the framework that was envisioned by our Founding Fathers.  Naturally, there will be areas that the Federal Government retains its preemption of certain fields and all we be decided on an issue by issue basis."  Now...that's pretty fucking conservative....would you agree?  Pretty radical too, right? 


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 4:08:02 PM   
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That is funny coming from some loser that has to wait for a check every month when the rest of us go out and make our money.


Let me see if I underestand you correctly. He gets a check every month and does not work.
You are jealous because you don't so you call him a loser.


Hey....psycho boy is back.  Hi psycho. :)  What happened, they took your crayons away?

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/8/2011 5:59:32 PM   
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What happened, they took your crayons away?


My crayons seem to work well enough to show your infantile peurile post to be nothing but rhetoric and opinion completely devoid of thought,logic or fact.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 8:36:49 AM   
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I had those charts for years!

They only go up to 2000, except for the dow that I took of of the first stco chart that came up.

Unless you all have been sleeping under a fucking rock all your lives this should be nothing new.

I am sure you can google for inflation and value of money and find all sorts of charts on it.

Oh and dont put up the 3% per year like the gubafia likes to stick up everyones ass, put up the cumulative like I did.

You can also see that the federal reserve that was supposed to level everything out did NO SUCH THING.   Same feast and famine only the money continues to inflate, rather than getting its value back LIKE IT USED TO.

Now what is new is a sharp minded sob like me who can connect the dots for you all.

I did google for charts but the ones i found were not the same as the ones you posted, thats why i asked. And the pic of the charts were hard to read so much of the information on them was not viewable so i was wanting to compare, now knowing more about them helps tho.


ok here is the one that shows how the federal reserve DID NOT STOP BOOM BUSTS, THE ONLY thing they did was put it on the inflationary side such that the money will forever have less value, while th eboom bust cycles continue as we are suffering now in this economy.










the red shows the boom bust cycles and the green shows a flat line until they went off of the gold or correctly specie secured money.

if all your money were in gold you personally would have no inflation and the dollars you personally held as you can see by the price of gold would retain their vale.

inflation is the killer as I will shortly show.

The green also shows that the money retained it original value within a buck either way.  *until we went off the gold standard* now it aint worth squat.


The green line also shows you that the dow is mostly just readjusting for inflation as it moves up and all this growth they talk about is for all intents and purposes trash

Inflation requires all prices everywhere to constantly reajust.  from bubble gum to taxes and it has to be done constantly.  


see the huge rip off in that?


another one large size showing the nose dive of the money one the fed took over.






This is the best one of them all.

This is a spread sheet that shows what happens when you put 1000 dollars in the bank,for 100 years, earn 4% interest, pay 20 % taxes at 3% per year annual inflation.






Congratulations!

You made 100 bucks over 100 years


as you can see you pay only 800 bucks in taxes but 3200 bucks in inflation.


On the other hand without devaluating inflation you pay 5000 bucks in taxes but keep 23,000 bucks in your pocket!

the feds and their hidden inflation tax make this a zero sum game.

and what bank is going to pay you 4%?

100 bucks over 100 years with 4% interest.  LMAO


so does anyone know why the HUGE gap in the numbers?  At first glance one might be inclined to say bullshit because of the 4% and 3% rates, but give it some thought what is "really" happening here.






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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 8:45:26 AM   
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Ok, no inflation there, I see that, so tell me, Ramanujan, what is the 1760/35 increase of 50 times called?

Your 'specie' equation has a couple of asymptote looking knucklebusters to grapple with.

And thats just on face value, what you can see with your own fuckin lying eyes.

Dismissed out of hand as untutuored jibberish. 

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 9:05:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		you want the spread sheet?

I usually do just one long formula but made this one segmented (single parsed columns for each operation) to keep it really simple so I can send it to anyone who does not "get it".  or if they just want to putz and run numbers for shits and giggles.

Otherwise clarify what if any issue you have.

In english.

Either way this is a perfect example how any country under the European banking system are taking it square up the ass.

anyone who did not know this is the way it works and why we are in the shit mess we are in corruption not included, well there you have it.  you work your ass off for nothing and it is a huge and I do mean huge prejudice against the poor and lower middle class.





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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 9:15:05 AM   
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if all your money were in gold you personally would have no inflation and the dollars you personally held as you can see by the price of gold would retain their vale.

You said that and besided being impossible, you also changed it.

The spreadsheet?  Why the fuck would I want that?  Do you want a piece of lime green carpet? 

The spreadsheet has nothing to do with the specie or inflation arguement.

It may surprise someone such as yourself that money, living and things of that nature are not static, they are dearth or cornucopious to some degree and are rarely in absolute equalibrium.  What hurts someone on an ssi med check is in this case brilliant for farmers.

Ah, well, not a zero sum game, somebody takes a fucking. 

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 9:32:36 AM   
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give me the cite, give me the links, not the cretinous pictures.

Cites are not needed as the net is littered with inflation data.  Its all so close to the same it really does not matter.

If you do not like the charts download the data from a cite your choice, (you know one you can "trust LOLOL"  and compile your own charts, if yo uhave nothing better to do than to waste your time after what I have already given you and what you should already know.


if all your money were in gold you personally would have no inflation and the dollars you personally held as you can see by the price of gold would retain their vale.

You said that and besided being impossible, you also changed it.

Sure because gold today is priced in dollars which have a value somewhere under a penny today.

The spreadsheet?  Why the fuck would I want that?  Do you want a piece of lime green carpet? 

If you think my ciperin is incorrect you can change it then show us how its done :)

The spreadsheet has nothing to do with the specie or inflation arguement.

Thats right the spreadsheet has nothing to do with it but the numbers produced IS IT, IS the argument!  LOL  Nice play on words again.

It shows how you are getting your ass sandpapered bloody, by the english monetary/banking system.   Do you like a having a hamburger ass without a reach around?

It may surprise someone such as yourself that money, living and things of that nature are not static, they are dearth or cornucopious to some degree and are rarely in absolute equalibrium. 

I never said it was in perfect equalibrium, of course you will get fluctuation however while on the gold standard or locked to specie more correctly said the dollar only varied a few cents one way or the other, and today its less then a penny and on a one way street to hell.

What hurts someone on an ssi med check is in this case brilliant for farmers.

I said poor not welfare recipients.

Ah, well, not a zero sum game, somebody takes a fucking. 


Its a zero sum game for you in terms of money in your pocket.  Of course you are getting screwed in the process.  That is the point.

Then it creates a national debt that is passed down to your kids and that is the legal definition of slavery!

Why?  because they declare you a citizen and the 14th amendment says that as a citizen you are responsible for the debt and will throw you out of your homes or came after you with guns if you dont pay up.

The you all sing the freedom song!   Freedom through debt slavery LOL

People in america allowed so called "leaders" to build a nice prison for us all.

You want asswipe?  Heres a buck!



inflation by devaluation of the dollar is a hidden stealth tax that as you can see eats everything up!

What would you rather make 23000 over 100 years with no value inflation or the way it is now with out enough to fill your fucking car with gas at a whopping 100 bucks.

we are being robbed by the trillions!






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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 10:18:32 AM   
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give me the cite, give me the links, not the cretinous pictures. 

if all your money were in gold you personally would have no inflation and the dollars you personally held as you can see by the price of gold would retain their vale.

You said that and besided being impossible, you also changed it.

The spreadsheet?  Why the fuck would I want that?  Do you want a piece of lime green carpet? 

The spreadsheet has nothing to do with the specie or inflation arguement.

It may surprise someone such as yourself that money, living and things of that nature are not static, they are dearth or cornucopious to some degree and are rarely in absolute equalibrium.  What hurts someone on an ssi med check is in this case brilliant for farmers.

Ah, well, not a zero sum game, somebody takes a fucking. 

Actually even gold wouldn't have protected you. Follow along.....

1870-1890's suburban Phil., typical median 4 bedroom brick colonial...$1,500, typically median income, 1 man...6 year totally private mortgage.

1910-1930's inside city of Detroit, typical 4 bdrm brick colonial...$1,500, approx. same income and mortgage terms.

Gold since the sale to the govt. it was forced by FDR ex. order...$40/oz. approx. Gold now at $1,700/oz. up 4,250% or 42 1/2 times your money.

Typical single family home should be then $63,750 and it is over $200,000...more than 133 times the previous homes.

So inflation is the key to savers impoverishment but most of our hard costs have suffered the effects of the real key to capitalism...speculation. Speculation in all commodities is the real driver in almost all inflation. Until we tax the speculation in what is merely paper-trading, then there will always be tremendous inflation.

Oh BTW, gold would have to be $5,320/oz to have kept up with housing...which we need.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 10:37:17 AM   
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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 10:42:38 AM   
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Actually even gold wouldn't have protected you. Follow along.....

1870-1890's suburban Phil., typical median 4 bedroom brick colonial...$1,500, typically median income, 1 man...6 year totally private mortgage.

1910-1930's inside city of Detroit, typical 4 bdrm brick colonial...$1,500, approx. same income and mortgage terms.

Gold since the sale to the govt. it was forced by FDR ex. order...$40/oz. approx. Gold now at $1,700/oz. up 4,250% or 42 1/2 times your money.

Typical single family home should be then $63,750 and it is over $200,000...more than 133 times the previous homes.

So inflation is the key to savers impoverishment but most of our hard costs have suffered the effects of the real key to capitalism...speculation. Speculation in all commodities is the real driver in almost all inflation. Until we tax the speculation in what is merely paper-trading, then there will always be tremendous inflation.

Oh BTW, gold would have to be $5,320/oz to have kept up with housing...which we need.

so typical home owners are speculators?

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 10:48:26 AM   
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Big question is why do we even allow paper traded speculation on commodities? It really is just a rich man's Vegas. Could just as well be outlawed.

its not up to the US, commodity futures are worldwide.
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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 10:52:03 AM   
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Actually even gold wouldn't have protected you. Follow along.....

1870-1890's suburban Phil., typical median 4 bedroom brick colonial...$1,500, typically median income, 1 man...6 year totally private mortgage.

1910-1930's inside city of Detroit, typical 4 bdrm brick colonial...$1,500, approx. same income and mortgage terms.

Gold since the sale to the govt. it was forced by FDR ex. order...$40/oz. approx. Gold now at $1,700/oz. up 4,250% or 42 1/2 times your money.

Typical single family home should be then $63,750 and it is over $200,000...more than 133 times the previous homes.

So inflation is the key to savers impoverishment but most of our hard costs have suffered the effects of the real key to capitalism...speculation. Speculation in all commodities is the real driver in almost all inflation. Until we tax the speculation in what is merely paper-trading, then there will always be tremendous inflation.

Oh BTW, gold would have to be $5,320/oz to have kept up with housing...which we need.

so typical home owners are speculators?

Hardly and nowhere near my point. The speculation was in the land and in the cost-of-capital. It shot up so quick FDR started Fannie Mae not to help the borrower but to then do exactly the wrong thing...guarantee the mortgagor by buying almost all of them up. This conveniently put the taxpayer ultimately responsible for the vast majority (80-90%) of conventional mortgages.

Then as long as the govt. was along for the ride houses went up exponentially. Tell me why the US govt. is in the business of FHA home loans at anything like $700,000 ? There shouldn't be govt. involvement in the housing for sale market beyond $200,000...in any way.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 10:54:02 AM   
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Big question is why do we even allow paper traded speculation on commodities? It really is just a rich man's Vegas. Could just as well be outlawed.

its not up to the US, commodity futures are worldwide.
Can't Stop The World..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL8UJUo5XjY


You would be correct and in a free country, you can do it. Tax paper gains at 50%. For gains over a much longer period than a year, tax starts to go down.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 10:56:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I never said it was in perfect equalibrium, of course you will get fluctuation however while on the gold standard or locked to specie more correctly said the dollar only varied a few cents one way or the other, and today its less then a penny and on a one way street to hell.

Asswipe. Bullshit. Cretinous.


Then it creates a national debt that is passed down to your kids and that is the legal definition of slavery!

Why?  because they declare you a citizen and the 14th amendment says that as a citizen you are responsible for the debt and will throw you out of your homes or came after you with guns if you dont pay up.

The you all sing the freedom song!   Freedom through debt slavery LOL

People in america allowed so called "leaders" to build a nice prison for us all.

You want asswipe?  Heres a buck!

Impenetrable moronic nonsense, the 14th amendment has nothing to do with inflation.
Jingoes and the arrogant smugness of imbicility and indifference to reality notwithstanding, your premises are false, you are never on point, you labor in constant elidation.

Fuckin 'specie' arguements are asswipe period.  Just look at 1862 on your fucking charts and it shows the arguments for the asswipe that they are.  Prima Facie evidence against all your far flung webs of deceit.

Truth has a much simpler reality.

Your windy trivialities attributing cause and effect to disparate and flawed premises not withstanding, you have yet to be even serendipitously correct about anything here ever.


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