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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 12:23:24 PM   
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simple, pimple.

the algonquins traded for fur, feather and beads.  by the time they became ojibwe they were trading for tomahawk, rifle, and whiskey.

now, as I said life isn't static, and if you are going to make such a stupid fucking argument as that, you will demonstrate that they were paid less in beads for minnesota than manhattan, so that there was a non-inflationary correspondence.

And even in your fantasy world it wasnt one horse one woman for centuries.



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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 12:54:57 PM   
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Fuckin 'specie' arguements are asswipe period.  Just look at 1862 on your fucking charts and it shows the arguments for the asswipe that they are.  Prima Facie evidence against all your far flung webs of deceit.

Truth has a much simpler reality.

Your windy trivialities attributing cause and effect to disparate and flawed premises not withstanding, you have yet to be even serendipitously correct about anything here ever.



once again you completely miss the point.

if you look at the chart you can see that it came right back from an 18% inflation to a -30% deflation with a net of zero inflation.

That means you lost nothing on your money as a result of devaluation.




what they have done to this economy and why the so called founders except rothschilds henchman "hamilton" were against the national bank and paper, because as we have or should have now figured out that it is impossible to keep banking from corrupting the lawmakers and created gubafia deMOBcracy.

Once that money hit the ceiling it had no choice but to come right back down and willfull mismanagement lead to the shit we have for a monetary system today and our asses being raped..




simple, pimple.

the algonquins traded for fur, feather and beads.  by the time they became ojibwe they were trading for tomahawk, rifle, and whiskey.

now, as I said life isn't static, and if you are going to make such a stupid fucking argument as that, you will demonstrate that they were paid less in beads for minnesota than manhattan, so that there was a non-inflationary correspondence.

And even in your fantasy world it wasnt one horse one woman for centuries.




again no amount of creative writing to replace hard data will work here.

This is not a leftee rightee who can piss the highest contest

This is data and as you can see what I said stands true no matter how much you dance around.

and again you took my point and mischaracterized it then claim I am living in a fantasy world.   Why would you do that? 


Have you figgered out yeh why the no inflation guy makes 23 grand and the guy that gubafia forces inflationary devaluation upon only makes a 100 bucks after 100 years?

Its so simpe it pisses most people off when they find out why but it should be obvious since its on the speadsheet below.





That is what they mean by hidden in plain site! LOL  Its all there but you cant see it!


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 1:21:14 PM   
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again no amount of creative writing to replace hard data will work here.

This is not a leftee rightee who can piss the highest contest

This is data and as you can see what I said stands true no matter how much you dance around.

and again you took my point and mischaracterized it then claim I am living in a fantasy world.   Why would you do that? 


And no amount of creative writing (which is all you do) will replace hard data that indian tribes had no inflation pressure when trading.  nor will the 14th amendment asswipe you wrote, nor will the cause and effect of the English banking system asswipe, and you point to some kindergarden childs inflation spreadsheet, to say it proves your points?

Not hardly.  Everyone knows that inflation eats at increase, that is not some shit comes out of a wizard, it is shit that is taught by the time you are in 2nd grade.  

Now, all other things aside, and anyone who made a 4% straightline profit a year paid 20% straightline tax a year and suffered 3% straightline inflation a year does not live in this world on in this galaxy. 

You see, you have a theoretical idiots arguement there in that spreadsheet. Precisely and especially when compared  to the chart at the top of your post.

They have nothing to do with each other, and they have nothing to do with reality if they have nothing to do with each other, one spreadsheet, I should be able to go to the box, and by god it looks like the graph, and corresponds to it. 


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 1:33:46 PM   
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You guys are funny.  Even on the radio today that are likening the U.S. to the Weimar Republic in Germany.  See what happened to the Dow today?  Did you hear what Berbutthead said?

We are going to default.  It is imminent.  But it is not going to have anything to do with not being able to pay our debts.  It is going to have everything to do with the dollar being a worthless, dead, currency.

How many $20.00 bills would it take to buy a $20.00 gold piece? lolololol

So...how many of you will vote for Barrack Obama and team Obama again? 

As bad as you (the collective "you") think it is, it isn't one tenth as bad as it is going to get.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 1:38:27 PM   
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The spreadsheet makes no sense. Explain what its supposed to be showing and the underlying inflation data.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:05:38 PM   
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The spreadsheet makes no sense. Explain what its supposed to be showing and the underlying inflation data.


average inflation approx 3%, the info is on the side, what are you having difficulties with. 


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:11:34 PM   
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lost 55c potential, and gained 220c profit is what it is showing against nothing in the real world.  damn fine spreadsheet, bet the calcs are killers in that. 

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:13:24 PM   
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again no amount of creative writing to replace hard data will work here.

This is not a leftee rightee who can piss the highest contest

This is data and as you can see what I said stands true no matter how much you dance around.

and again you took my point and mischaracterized it then claim I am living in a fantasy world.   Why would you do that? 


And no amount of creative writing (which is all you do) will replace hard data that indian tribes had no inflation pressure when trading.  nor will the 14th amendment asswipe you wrote, nor will the cause and effect of the English banking system asswipe, and you point to some kindergarden childs inflation spreadsheet, to say it proves your points?

Not hardly.  Everyone knows that inflation eats at increase, that is not some shit comes out of a wizard, it is shit that is taught by the time you are in 2nd grade.  

yeh but how many people know that with the criteria in the spreadsheet that after 100 years you only make 100 fucking dollars?   Cant even fill you gas tank on it.


Now, all other things aside, and anyone who made a 4% straightline profit a year paid 20% straightline tax a year and suffered 3% straightline inflation a year does not live in this world on in this galaxy. 

doesnt matter.  that is how this stuff works.  if you have a different data set fine hand it over and the result will be the same.  or way worse if you go by todays 1% bank payout, in fact many banks have no interest accounts LOL.
 

You see, you have a theoretical idiots arguement there in that spreadsheet. Precisely and especially when compared  to the chart at the top of your post.

Fine then give me your data that you "trust" and I will plug it in, as I have said it will turn out the same or worse.


They have nothing to do with each other, and they have nothing to do with reality if they have nothing to do with each other, one spreadsheet, I should be able to go to the box, and by god it looks like the graph, and corresponds to it. 



sure they do that is what a model does, is it presents reality so we can look it demonstrated by math to better understand how their crooked system wrks


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:16:27 PM   
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lost 55c potential, and gained 220c profit is what it is showing against nothing in the real world.  damn fine spreadsheet, bet the calcs are killers in that. 


which world is the real world in your mind?  calcs for this? simple.  Why do you think I should be running black sholes to demonstrate a fundamental system.....LOL


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:16:44 PM   
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and if that had anyfuckingthing to do with anyfuckingthing, then it might mean something.

do you know if you use lime green carpet and galvanized metal roofing that you can create the ambiance of Elvis' bathroom?

And so what does that tell us? 

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:18:08 PM   
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Sorry RO but the math on the sheet is wrong----You are over estimating the effect of the cap gains tax. This is a differencial equation not simple math. The net value of the dollars on the right (inflation adjusted) would mean the left hand side would have to be $1,214. In 100 years you would have outpaced inflation by 20% on your 1000$ investment.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:18:52 PM   
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that you are out of your mind?

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:19:58 PM   
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lost 55c potential, and gained 220c profit is what it is showing against nothing in the real world.  damn fine spreadsheet, bet the calcs are killers in that. 


which world is the real world in your mind?  calcs for this? simple.  Why do you think I should be running black sholes to demonstrate a fundamental system.....LOL



How would the introduction of mersenne primes affect the outcome of this simpletons demonstration of nothingness?  It is nearly more stupid than the washers and paper rings demonstration.



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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:26:44 PM   
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Sorry RO but the math on the sheet is wrong----You are over estimating the effect of the cap gains tax. This is a differencial equation not simple math. The net value of the dollars on the right (inflation adjusted) would mean the left hand side would have to be $1,214. In 100 years you would have outpaced inflation by 20% on your 1000$ investment.


So then its 214 dollars in 100 years, and you missed the point of how inflation works because a difference of, that is to say even if I were off by 3000 bucks its does nothing to negate the point I am driving at.

Like I said the numbers are right in front of everyone, lets say for the sake of an argument you made 3000 dollars after 100 years, the no inflation still made 20 grand more!


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:29:48 PM   
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It is nearly more stupid than the washers and paper rings demonstration.




that guy did a great job on that, and I laughed my ass off how it proved the point and none of the lame arguments stood a snowballs chance in hell of defeating it, because its the way real physics works  LOL


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:30:12 PM   
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everybody and their fucking grama knows how inflation works.  we learned it at the time we learned to tie our shoes and shit in a toilet instead of our diapers.

It is a windy triviality you are wreaking, no more.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:34:07 PM   
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It is nearly more stupid than the washers and paper rings demonstration.




that guy did a great job on that, and I laughed my ass off how it proved the point and none of the lame arguments stood a snowballs chance in hell of defeating it, because its the way real physics works  LOL



yes, the physics of washers dowels and paper rings and firecrackers.  major shit and exellent example of those things put together that way and done that to.

I was especially in good humor when you came out here as a sockpuppet and pretended to be the fucking idiot who demonstrated that fine bit of tomfoolery.

And when you said you were an ironworker, and fucked all that up....and when..........  

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:34:18 PM   
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no they dont!

not one person has yet to step up and tell me why the huge difference and its all there on the sheet right in front of you.

It really proves the point how easy it is to sneak things past people when its right under their noses and kicking them in the shin!

No surprise we have a mafia for a gub.


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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:35:42 PM   
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Sorry RO but the math on the sheet is wrong----You are over estimating the effect of the cap gains tax. This is a differencial equation not simple math. The net value of the dollars on the right (inflation adjusted) would mean the left hand side would have to be $1,214. In 100 years you would have outpaced inflation by 20% on your 1000$ investment.


So then its 214 dollars in 100 years, and you missed the point of how inflation works because a difference of, that is to say even if I were off by 3000 bucks its does nothing to negate the point I am driving at.

Like I said the numbers are right in front of everyone, lets say for the sake of an argument you made 3000 dollars after 100 years, the no inflation still made 20 grand more!




Yeah but you are missing another important point one you can learn from watching 'its a wonderful life' Back in the day before all this inflation hype occurred you never would have gotten 4% return on dick. Shit a mortgage interest rate was at like 2%, and that was considered robbery. Greedy people want to see lots of money. It just doesn't come out of thin air. You never would have your 20k$ just for sitting on your ass. Inflation, is just one crap way of playing the same crap game. You just have to watch the speed, hyperinflation is when you loose control of the ship.

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RE: Have no fear! US Economy: well on the way to recov... - 8/9/2011 2:38:16 PM   
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I dont remember seeing any firecrackers, you mean he made a new one?  I will have to look.

no no no, I do not do the sock puppet gig.  waste of fucking time.  That and I do not get deeply involved in that discussion on this board and that is too deeply by my standards.

well lets piss semantics now...


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