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LadyConstanze -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 6:01:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Hopefully one that'll be solved next election if labour can find somebody who isn't a joke... Oh dear. I was forgetting. [:'(] It would be nice, but they would need to raise somebody first, so we're stuck with the bad joke

Moonhead -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 6:04:06 PM)
Yep.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 6:18:23 PM)
quote: You are vile. you are absolutely right. after a lot of arguing and discussion, in person and by email, and a lot of soul searching, i have come to the conclusion that i cannot reconcile my actions with my ethical beliefs. i was wrong. flat out fucking wrong. for whatever it is worth, i renounce any future political activities. they were wrong and i was wrong to do them.

PeonForHer -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 6:35:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Hopefully one that'll be solved next election if labour can find somebody who isn't a joke... Oh dear. I was forgetting. [:'(] Pfft. They only need someone who, for at least a few months before the election, can look less of a joke than any Tory put forward, assuming Cam isn't still PM. Maybe these riots, plus the (slight) weakening of the hold by Murdoch's minions and the Fourth Estate in general, might lead to some general testicle-development amongst the political elite in the future. Well, we can hope.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 6:42:54 PM)
I admire your willingness to reexamine your beliefs, instead of being so invested in them that you can't let go. quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You are vile. you are absolutely right. after a lot of arguing and discussion, in person and by email, and a lot of soul searching, i have come to the conclusion that i cannot reconcile my actions with my ethical beliefs. i was wrong. flat out fucking wrong. for whatever it is worth, i renounce any future political activities. they were wrong and i was wrong to do them.

gungadin09 -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 6:53:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You are vile. you are absolutely right. after a lot of arguing and discussion, in person and by email, and a lot of soul searching, i have come to the conclusion that i cannot reconcile my actions with my ethical beliefs. i was wrong. flat out fucking wrong. for whatever it is worth, i renounce any future political activities. they were wrong and i was wrong to do them. For what it's worth, hugs. pam

whipher1 -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 7:18:42 PM)
Them fucking people from the colonies making trouble again hey!! them buggers need to keep it cool, just because this is a American tradition is no reason to get a new TV w/o paying

AneNoz -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 7:26:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You are vile. you are absolutely right. after a lot of arguing and discussion, in person and by email, and a lot of soul searching, i have come to the conclusion that i cannot reconcile my actions with my ethical beliefs. i was wrong. flat out fucking wrong. for whatever it is worth, i renounce any future political activities. they were wrong and i was wrong to do them. The effort then is rewarded, and from this great evil is born a small good. This is as it should be. Be at peace Aneka

susie -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 11:37:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather no, i'm an activist for a political philosophy that promotes the overthrow of the present societal model. when unrest breaks out, it is exploited. i support the aims of some of those exploiting the present unrest, therefore i am supporting their efforts. no different than you making contributions to the campaign of your favorite local candidate, or making a donation to amnesty international. oh come on people, did you really think i would be on the side of the fucking government and police? puhleeze! i meant it when i said i was an anarchist, what the fuck did you think that means, that i sit around and bitch about my oppression online? you know, i started reading this thread and got as far as this. Hannah you are an ignorant person beyound belief. sod off and keep your stupid views in your own bloody country! our people, inocent people are losing everything they have worked damn hard for and have already been struggling to keep afloat through times that are difficult enough. and for what? so stupid lay about arsehole can steal some stuff and cause a load of damage. you accused me of my morals being totally off scew, girl yours are total shit for supporting those wankers! so here in some language you understand......fuck off and grow up because you are acting like a twat! needles I read the thread last night before I went to bed and got so angry with Hannah I decided not to reply at the time as I would have said something I might regret. Needles you have said what I wanted to say. Basically people who take things from other people are stealing. Stealing is a criminal offence so all those looting premises are criminals. Whether they are politically motivated or not makes no difference. They are criminals pure and simple.

DeviantlyD -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/9/2011 11:58:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You are vile. you are absolutely right. after a lot of arguing and discussion, in person and by email, and a lot of soul searching, i have come to the conclusion that i cannot reconcile my actions with my ethical beliefs. i was wrong. flat out fucking wrong. for whatever it is worth, i renounce any future political activities. they were wrong and i was wrong to do them. For what it's worth, hugs. pam I have a feeling she was being facetious.

susie -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 12:07:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You are vile. you are absolutely right. after a lot of arguing and discussion, in person and by email, and a lot of soul searching, i have come to the conclusion that i cannot reconcile my actions with my ethical beliefs. i was wrong. flat out fucking wrong. for whatever it is worth, i renounce any future political activities. they were wrong and i was wrong to do them. For what it's worth, hugs. pam I have a feeling she was being facetious. Yes me too. What was interesting this morning was seeing the groups of people brought together by social networking sites that are cleaning up the mess left by the looters. Many of them teenagers and young people determined to put things back into some sort of order.

DeviantlyD -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 12:30:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Actually, I have a personal theory that those seeking political benefit from these riots are in fact looking for negative changes. Which is pointless. Regardless of whether there are/were anarchists amongst the rioters, how does that make their actions right in any way, shape or form? Those targeted included innocent people who do not deserve to be subjected to what quickly evolved into a mob mentality riot. There is nothing about any of this that can be applauded. quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: I'm not convinced that at random news gives you a much better insight, Well, apparently it does, now doesn't it? You can't be serious. If you are serious, I'd be interested to hear how you can consider an opinion based on reading/watching media news as being better than someone who is actually at the scene witnessing the situation first hand. quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig It isn't Britspeak, and it has a broader meaning in Canada. So sod off you git. (also perfectly good Canadian slang) What part of Canada would that be?

SillyMan -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 12:35:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: You are vile. you are absolutely right. after a lot of arguing and discussion, in person and by email, and a lot of soul searching, i have come to the conclusion that i cannot reconcile my actions with my ethical beliefs. i was wrong. flat out fucking wrong. for whatever it is worth, i renounce any future political activities. they were wrong and i was wrong to do them. For what it's worth, hugs. pam I have a feeling she was being facetious. Too late. this person and thier supporters are, and remain scum. sm

DeviantlyD -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 12:36:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie What was interesting this morning was seeing the groups of people brought together by social networking sites that are cleaning up the mess left by the looters. Many of them teenagers and young people determined to put things back into some sort of order. That is wonderful news to hear. I feel so badly for those who were subjected to mindlessness from those who behaved so criminally, particularly those who are just getting by or who have nothing else. As for big business and those with insurance, the insurance companies will raise their rates to make up for the loss in payouts and it will filter down to all of us. (I don't have the references, but I do recall hearing a very interesting program on the radio several years back about how insurance companies raising their rates to cover payouts has a global effect.)

gungadin09 -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 1:25:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD I have a feeling she was being facetious. That wasn't my impression. pam

Arpig -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 5:26:52 AM)
quote: Regardless of whether there are/were anarchists amongst the rioters, how does that make their actions right in any way, shape or form? Those targeted included innocent people who do not deserve to be subjected to what quickly evolved into a mob mentality riot. There is nothing about any of this that can be applauded. I didn't say it was right in any way shape or form, I didn't applaud it. I was merely trying to discuss it rationally, something that is not possible to do, as nobody wants to do anything but dismiss it all as some massive inexplicable simultaneous outbreak of vandalism, that just happened to coincide with the march to protest an apparently unnecessary killing. quote: You can't be serious. If you are serious, I'd be interested to hear how you can consider an opinion based on reading/watching media news as being better than someone who is actually at the scene witnessing the situation first hand. Because the person I wrote that to wasn't witnessing anything, she was reading/watching media news from her rural home. And in this particular case, she had held a position which I had opposed and which Moonhead had provided a link to show that she was wrong. Therefore, in this particular case, I was correct and she wasn't. We were both basing our opinions on media coverage alone, and my opinion was backed up by further evidence, and hers wasn't. Context is key. CONTEXT. quote: What part of Canada would that be? Southern New Brunswick, Eastern Ontario, and the Vancouver/Victoria area. The three parts of Canada where I have lived. I can't speak to other parts of the country, I haven't used the word there. Anything else I can help you with?

Arpig -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 5:28:29 AM)
quote: Too late. this person and thier supporters are, and remain scum. And you are, and will always remain, a git.

Arpig -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 5:31:50 AM)
Nor mine Pam, but what would I know, I only spent the better part of an hour debating the morality of her actions with her over the phone. (And no, I wasn't the only person to be discussing it with her).

Phoenixpower -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 6:05:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze sadly I was wrong... my apologies for taking it out of context...but seeing on TV and hearing about the riots...here are also some folks who were convinced that this would never happen in the UK...[8\|] and so were obviously wrong (hence why I quoted those words, not because of the way how you might have meant it). I stumbled coincidentially over that one two days ago when I looked to watch british news via youtube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRa0a3M3Vxg

LadyConstanze -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 6:31:14 AM)
I'm actually seriously impressed with how they handled it, Manchester police weren't pussyfooting around when they found people looting. Could really happen anywhere, it happened in the UK, lots of arrests, a lot of people who were complaining how hard it is for them to find jobs will find it even harder as they are facing criminal records. The reason why it is a bit different here than say for example in Germany is fairly simple, due to the law and the fact that it is forbidden to wear a mask, the police there can legally target and arrest anybody who's masked, so the scum with baclavas (which they send on the BB network to all to bring them and wear them for the looting) gets an arrest and good dose of tear gas first, possibly even the business end of a truncheon if they carry sticks, stones or weapons. Makes it easier to separate the trouble makers from others, also makes it easier to identify people. What is impressive is how people band together to clean up and all the websites springing up and mobile pics and footage are uploaded and people are helping to identify the looters. The result most likely will be that the cops get more money so if it should happen again they can react quicker, now since there are limited resources, the money will have to be cut from other budgets, most likely from benefits - well, great results. If they hate the cops and authorities, they couldn't have played better into the hands of them if they would be on their side. Fantastic! Worthy of rocket scientists. The result of it? A couple of shops will not be able to survive, they might be underinsured, insurances will rise due to the massive claims, our car was damaged during the riots (other half got a friend out who was stranded in Manchester), the insurance this morning told us it will take ages to get it sorted, tons of claims to be checked, the shops will pass those costs on, so prices will rise, people can afford to buy less - again it's hitting those who have very little to start with the worst. Along with this jobs will be slashed, if the shops go belly up, people will be without work, it's not just the shops, the manufacturers, distributors, drivers will also feel the pinch, all jobs that aren't among the best paid jobs anyway.

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