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LadyConstanze -> RE: roiting in croydon and penge (8/10/2011 9:33:04 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Arpig
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Btw you think it's people like me who cause this? Yes. People who willfully ignore the obvious.
There is a large segment of society that has absolutely no interest in maintaining your peaceful lives, because they do not benefit from society. Are you forgetting that there were violent protests in the UK just last November as well? Why do these people turn to violence so quickly? They are no more naturally prone to it than you or I, they don't have some sort of psychological malfunction that makes them prone to criminal behaviour. So why?
I suggest it is because they do not feel they are a part of the society that benefits from the present system, and therefore they feel they have nothing to lose by the violence. They feel they are entitled to some of the benefits of society, yet they also feel that society is denying them the opportunity to get them.
When your options are the dole or minimum wage (hardly better, I've lived on both), you don't really have much choice. And when some rich bastard tells you that you have to do without while he doesn't, well it just reinforces that idea that you don't really belong, so what's the harm in smashing it. You aren't part of it, so tear it down.
This feeling of being unvalued and ostracized is at the heart of all the unrest, the legitimate protests and political actions that go violent, the random arson and destruction, and the widespread looting. They all have their origin in the discontent of the poorest members of society. If you do nothing to change that discontent, then you will be to blame for the next round of violence.
Well, education is mainly free in the UK, so are you suggesting that we cater to people who don't need to work because society cares for their basic needs and the people who already are quite taxed should pay more tax so they feel happy? Because they want something, society has to provide for it? I don't think so.
Giving in to the demands of people who think they can steal is winning what? That's losing, to state the obvious... The dole isn't much, true, but guess what, it isn't MEANT to be much. If somebody would pay me 4K a month to do sweet fuck all, do you think I would be working? Actually I possibly would, because it's important for my selfesteem and because I don't want to be a freeloader. I'm not rich, there are things I'd like to have but I can't afford them, I don't go down the road and see the mansions of the footballers and their 4 or 5 sportscars in the yard and think "Shit, I can't afford this, I'm just going to steal what is theirs because I'll never ever be on a few million a year, because I can't play football..."
We aren't talking about the straving masses here, we are talking about people who are having homes, free healthcare, food and money to spend, if they want luxuries they have to do what the rest of us does - work for them instead of stealing them. They don't like that? Oh maybe they'd like to live in the US and see how much they would get.
You know since they aren't working, what is stopping them from doing qualifications? Volunteering and getting job experience and increasing the chances to get a job? It's not like they don't have options, it's that they can't be arsed to TAKE the options, because taking from somebody else is easier.
You know what my solution for the looters would be? Not jail, don't want to spend more on them, they cost enough already, ankle bracelets, house arrest, loss of their benefits for a certain amount of time, no, I wouldn't let them starve, they'd be allowed to go to the nearest soup kitchen and eat what they're given there, on a schedule they are given, they'd also do some tasks like cleaning up parks, helping shops to rebuild and they'd not get paid for it, they have the right to refuse but then they'd simply not get their benefits for another month. Let them actually work for what they have and show them how easy it is to lose that, additionally their treatment would be quite a good warning for people who think about looting.
This whole BS that society owns us all a living is ridiculous and it's time we stop catering to it, somebody who NEEDS help, yes, but if you're too lazy and you think stealing is the answer, NO. Have you any idea how sickening it is to hear from a guy that his cat is pregnant again because he can't afford to have it neutered because he's on the dole? While at the same time he drinks a few pints for a £5 each, you point out that if he's on the dole he'll has to ask them for help in neutering his pet, he'll get a slip to bring to the vet and he'll pay £15, he claims it's still to expensive (hold on, that's 3 fucking beers, so he can pay for beers but not the vet?) as he's on the dole, at the same time he's texting his girlfriend from his iPhone - I wonder where he got the iPhone from, obviously a necessity. Then he bitches that the unemployment office actually makes him GO and apply for jobs that he doesn't want because that means getting up in the morning and only about 200 or 300 more than he gets anyway "Not worth it" - those are the people you are talking about. So what is your suggestion - I assume you do have one as you don't want to be as guilty as I am of all the unrest and next riots - what we should do with them? Just up the dole so they can go to the pub more often? Create jobs that don't require them to get up and work? Give them a middle class living standard so they have even less reason to do something? But then what do you do when they see people who have even more and they want that as well? Oh and please do tell me how you are going to finance it? Or do you think taxing people like me even more is a solution? Because if it means that I work hard and have less than people on the dole, I might start to wonder why I actually work and if it makes sense to stay here...
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